PG: Bucks Lose to Spurs....obviously. 101-95

Shaffty · Post #1 » by **Shaffty** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:04 am

Middleton 9-14 21 pts 5 Rbs 3 Steals

Matches Malone · Post #2 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:13 am

Hate to put blame on refs as they are human, but man. They let some of those Spurs camp out in the paint and gave them some very ticky tack fouls while letting San Antonio to be physical on the other side of the court. Tough loss.

ChuckBros4Life · Post #3 » by **ChuckBros4Life** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:14 am

Kidd really frustrated me during this one...

Treebeard · Post #4 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:23 am

But for the last minute or so, I thought Bayless played pretty well. We will remember that last minute though - oooof.

Treebeard · Post #5 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:25 am

Matches Malone wrote:Hate to put blame on refs as they are human, but man. They let some of those Spurs camp out in the paint and gave them some very ticky tack fouls while letting San Antonio to be physical on the other side of the court. Tough loss.

The blown non-call on Diaw on Giannis' drive was a back breaker, but it was one of several

blazza18 · Post #6 » by **blazza18** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:33 am

The game was fun until Knight mode and the refs took over.

DickCunningham · Post #7 » by **DickCunningham** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:45 am

Great first quarter, but ugly game. Middleton, the bright spot.

Prince12 · Post #8 » by **Prince12** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:49 am

Bayless...yuck. Harsh for him but he really blew it, special thanks to the refs.

Post #9 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:05 am

Why wasn't Ersan played down the stretch?

Post #10 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:06 am

Bayless did what he could. He's a great 3rd/4th guard. He's just not a starter.

Prince12 · Post #11 » by **Prince12** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:08 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Bayless did what he could. He's a great 3rd/4th guard. He's just not a starter.

No doubt, it's harsh to pin it on him, really with our roster we have no right to be in games like these but reality is he blew to open shots close to the rim. Plus I'm shattered his streak ended..

Octopus Jonny · Post #12 » by **Octopus Jonny** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:09 am

Kidd's choice to let the team try to right the ship during the Spurs' decisive run to take the lead clearly failed.

That's one of my biggest issues with Kidd right now. He has a tendency to be a bit too reluctant to use a timeout to settle things down at times. And tonight, his young team playing on a quick turnaround back-to-back on the road against a defending champ, letting the kids try to figure it out seemed nonsensical to me. I don't get it in that situation. This was a very winnable game and the run and keeping Middleton on the bench too long were the biggest points I came out with. Middleton was hot, play the hot hand more.

raferfenix · Post #13 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:12 am

Middleton is looking more and more like a long term 3 and D starter.

His improvement after a slow start is one of the season's biggest bright spots.

Prince12 · Post #14 » by **Prince12** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:17 am

It's not at all ridiculous to say Middleton will end up the best player in the Jennings/Knight trade. Very solid starter in this league.

El Duderino · Post #15 » by **El Duderino** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:12 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Bayless did what he could. He's a great 3rd/4th guard. He's just not a starter.

True, but watching Knight repeatedly dribble in circles for half of the shot clock and/or charge into the lane with no purpose except to shoot a contested shot over multiple defenders was a much worse option.

Kidd even shocked me by finally having enough and pulling Knight late in the game. I try to avoid piling on Knight in numerous threads as some others do more often, but watching him try to run an offense in games like tonight drives me nuts, regardless of the fact i don't care much whether the Bucks win or lose.

That one possession in the 4th quarter with about 4-5 minutes left summed him up perfectly. Knight brings the ball up the court, dribbles a few seconds by the top of the key, charges into the lane with zero plan, circles all the way back to around to the free throw line, dribbles there for another two seconds or so, and finally charges back into the lane again with no plan, leading to a blocked shot with multiple Spurs contesting it.

He cannot under any circumstances be the Bucks starting PG next, much less at big money.

AussieBuck · Post #16 » by **AussieBuck** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:55 am

Prince12 wrote:It's not at all ridiculous to say Middleton will end up the best player in the Jennings/Knight trade. Very solid starter in this league.

He's been the best player in the deal from week one.

Prince12 · Post #17 » by **Prince12** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:19 am

AussieBuck wrote:
Prince12 wrote:It's not at all ridiculous to say Middleton will end up the best player in the Jennings/Knight trade. Very solid starter in this league.

He's been the best player in the deal from week one.

I'm as big a hater of Jenno and Knight as anyone but this isn't true. Seriously though I can see him as a 16-18 ppg and 5 board guy, really solid 3rd/4th option. Initially I thought 8 mill a year was to much but the more I think about it the more I think that would be a bargain given what we are on tap to pay Knight.

tyland · Post #18 » by **tyland** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:43 am

Only watched the first half where the team played well... even Knight. Looks like the wheels fell off in the second half.

From what I did see, I really enjoyed the ball movement and the defense.

Imagine we'll have a few more second half fade outs as the season goes on, given the injury and Larry situation. Only 11 healthy players will lead to fatigue.

Octopus Jonny · Post #19 » by **Octopus Jonny** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:45 am

Prince12 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
Prince12 wrote:It's not at all ridiculous to say Middleton will end up the best player in the Jennings/Knight trade. Very solid starter in this league.

He's been the best player in the deal from week one.

I'm as big a hater of Jenno and Knight as anyone but this isn't true. Seriously though I can see him as a 16-18 ppg and 5 board guy, really solid 3rd/4th option. Initially I thought 8 mill a year was to much but the more I think about it the more I think that would be a bargain given what we are on tap to pay Knight.

Take a peek at SG/SF's making ~$8m/year right now. (http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/01/sala ... ition.html)

SG:
Lance Stephenson (Hornets) $9MM
Marcus Thornton (Celtics) $8,575,000
Monta Ellis (Mavs) $8,360,000
O.J. Mayo (Bucks) $8MM
Arron Afflalo (Nuggets) $7.5MM
Wesley Matthews (Blazers) $7,245,640
Avery Bradley (Celtics) $7,191,011
Manu Ginobili (Spurs) $7MM
Kevin Martin (Wolves) $6,792,500
J.J. Redick (Clippers) $6,792,500
Jason Richardson (Sixers) $6,601,125
Kyle Korver (Hawks) $6,253,531
Jodie Meeks (Pistons) $6MM
J.R. Smith (Cavs) $5,982,375
Jason Terry (Rockets) $5,850,313
Jamal Crawford (Clippers) $5,450,000
Courtney Lee (Grizzlies) $5,450,000

SF:
Danilo Gallinari (Nuggets) $10,854,850
Gerald Wallace (Celtics) $10,105,855
Luol Deng (Heat) $9,714,461
Jeff Green (Grizzlies) $9.2MM
Trevor Ariza (Rockets) $8,579,089
Tayshaun Prince (Celtics) $7,707,865
Wilson Chandler (Nuggets) $6,757,913
P.J. Tucker (Suns) $5.7MM
Martell Webster (Wizards) $5,381,750
Paul Pierce (Wizards) $5,305,000

It's interesting to look at those names/numbers and then place Middleton right now and also project Middleton in 15-16 and beyond, say 4 years.

Prince12 · Post #20 » by **Prince12** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:51 am

Yeah thanks for that, i wouldn't have thought of all those of the top of my head but it's a great list to compare. If we could get him for 4 years at 8 I'm confident it would be a bargain. He's still young with room to improve but his shot is already super consistent and he's an decent defender at worst.