Dudley to the Wizards for "highly protected 1st"

[wichmae]

If we released JOB and JG (with holds, Sanders, and Greg)(excluding Khris extension) were at $66,055,063 (14 players including Duds salary)
Guttirez is NG'd 947,276 (not included in above figure NG)
O' Bryant is NG'd 845,059 (included in above figure NG)
Both above players still on roster.
TPE generated from trading Jared $4,250,000
Cap is 67,000,000
If TPE is renounced the Bucks would have 5,194,937 to fill final roster spot. Obviously JG and JOB waived.

How about the reports that the cap could be 69 million? When would we know that? Nice little chuck to play with, especially if we could move a vet or two.

Yeah that I dont know. I have purely operated on the thought the cap is 67 mil. I also heard today from someone who is very respected that JOB may in fact be g'd for the year. That dampers things quite a bit.

[Tfence92]

How about the reports that the cap could be 69 million? When would we know that? Nice little chuck to play with, especially if we could move a vet or two.

Yeah that I dont know. I have purely operated on the thought the cap is 67 mil. I also heard today from someone who is very respected that JOB may in fact be g'd for the year. That dampers things quite a bit.

Cap is set when the Moratorium ends, so we'll know exactly what it is in 5 days.

[emunney]

Every reliable online source says JOB is guaranteed. Also, it's rare for a guy to have two ng'd years.

[wichmae]

How about the reports that the cap could be 69 million? When would we know that? Nice little chuck to play with, especially if we could move a vet or two.

Yeah that I dont know. I have purely operated on the thought the cap is 67 mil. I also heard today from someone who is very respected that JOB may in fact be g'd for the year. That dampers things quite a bit.

Cap is set when the Moratorium ends, so we'll know exactly what it is in 5 days.

Exactly. The salary cap, luxury tax, and the like are built off of the actual Basketball-Related Income from the previous season. The BRI is finalized during this time and everything else is held to that standard. Its kind of like a checks and balances period with raw estimates going in. Cap could very well be 69 mil but also could be 66.7. Only the NBA knows.

[wichmae]

Every reliable online source says JOB is guaranteed. Also, it's rare for a guy to have two ng'd years.

I had heard both and agree that with 3 year 2nd rd contracts its very rare for yr 2 to be NG. I literally was told yesterday by someone he was available to be released. Just hours ago I was told the opposite.

[Tfence92]

Anyone ever figure out what the pick actually is?

anyone?

$1,444,200 according to the realgm rookie scale

[Tfence92]

Spoiler:

I had heard both and agree that with 3 year 2nd rd contracts its very rare for yr 2 to be NG. I literally was told yesterday by someone he was available to be released. Just hours ago I was told the opposite.

Question for ya Wichmae.

in your salary calculations you have Sanders being stretched over 7 years. Hoopshype has 3 years but like everywhere else I look says it's 7. Is it indeed 7?

[wichmae]

Hoopshype is wrong.

[Tfence92]

Hoopshype is wrong.

Those bastards!

so 1,865,546 thru 21-22?

[wichmae]

Hoopshype is wrong.

Those bastards!

so 1,865,546 thru 21-22?

yes

[Tfence92]

So this is what the cap situation looks like to me:

Starting spot: $50,533,194
Add Monroe: $67,308,194
Trade Dudley: $63,058,194
Cut Gutierrez: $62,110,918

If the cap is near 67M, they have just under $5M in cap room. If the cap is as high as 69M, they'd have just under $7M in cap.

If somehow JOB isn't guaranteed (pretty sure it is), that would give us closer to $6M/$8M.

That's a pretty sizeable chunk for a FA.

Not to mention that if they use all the cap space and then sign Middleton, they'd still have the MLE and BAE.

I assume they'll want to stay under the tax line though, and since they have to sign Vaughn in there at some point, they wouldn't be able to use all of the MLE before hitting it.

[wichmae]

So this is what the cap situation looks like to me:

Starting spot: $50,533,194
Add Monroe: $67,308,194
Trade Dudley: $63,058,194
Cut Gutierrez: $62,110,918

If the cap is near 67M, they have just under $5M in cap room. If the cap is as high as 69M, they'd have just under $7M in cap.

If somehow JOB isn't guaranteed (pretty sure it is), that would give us closer to $6M/$8M.

That's a pretty sizeable chunk for a FA.

Not to mention that if they use all the cap space and then sign Middleton, they'd still have the MLE and BAE.

I assume they'll want to stay under the tax line though, and since they have to sign Vaughn in there at some point, they wouldn't be able to use all of the MLE before hitting it.

The Dudley trade is sticky because either you have the TPE hold or Duds salary to account for. In addition. Since they were under the cap they do not have any MLE or salary exceptions. Vaughn counts as well. The numbers I have up there are the most accurate.

[Tfence92]

So this is what the cap situation looks like to me:

Starting spot: $50,533,194
Add Monroe: $67,308,194
Trade Dudley: $63,058,194
Cut Gutierrez: $62,110,918

If the cap is near 67M, they have just under $5M in cap room. If the cap is as high as 69M, they'd have just under $7M in cap.

If somehow JOB isn't guaranteed (pretty sure it is), that would give us closer to $6M/$8M.

That's a pretty sizeable chunk for a FA.

Not to mention that if they use all the cap space and then sign Middleton, they'd still have the MLE and BAE.

I assume they'll want to stay under the tax line though, and since they have to sign Vaughn in there at some point, they wouldn't be able to use all of the MLE before hitting it.

The Dudley trade is sticky because either you have the TPE hold or Duds salary to account for. In addition. Since they were under the cap they do not have any MLE or salary exceptions. Vaughn counts as well. The numbers I have up there are the most accurate.

They are going to end up over the cap by quite a bit, does that not matter for exceptions?

And I doubt add Vaughn because you hadn't added him, but I'm not sure how he works. I thought you had to hold so much money aside for them, but I also know youre allowed to sign them no matter your cap situation.

[wichmae]

So this is what the cap situation looks like to me:

Starting spot: $50,533,194
Add Monroe: $67,308,194
Trade Dudley: $63,058,194
Cut Gutierrez: $62,110,918

If the cap is near 67M, they have just under $5M in cap room. If the cap is as high as 69M, they'd have just under $7M in cap.

If somehow JOB isn't guaranteed (pretty sure it is), that would give us closer to $6M/$8M.

That's a pretty sizeable chunk for a FA.

Not to mention that if they use all the cap space and then sign Middleton, they'd still have the MLE and BAE.

I assume they'll want to stay under the tax line though, and since they have to sign Vaughn in there at some point, they wouldn't be able to use all of the MLE before hitting it.

The Dudley trade is sticky because either you have the TPE hold or Duds salary to account for. In addition. Since they were under the cap they do not have any MLE or salary exceptions. Vaughn counts as well. The numbers I have up there are the most accurate.

They are going to end up over the cap by quite a bit, does that not matter for exceptions?

And I doubt add Vaughn because you hadn't added him, but I'm not sure how he works. I thought you had to hold so much money aside for them, but I also know youre allowed to sign them no matter your cap situation.

They count as 100% of rookie scale. I made an addendum to my OP to add him in. I made the same mistake confusing trade rules with cap rules.

[Bernman]

Every reliable online source says JOB is guaranteed. Also, it's rare for a guy to have two ng'd years.

HoopsHype said we had a team option for this year, but I'm finding out now they aren't reliable, even though they're the top search when it comes to NBA salaries.

I used to use Sham, but that site bankrupted him?

Actually, looking at more places, Rotoworld and Sportac indicate JOB is non-guaranteed too. I guess I'll go with that for now with more backing, and cuz I want it to be true. It's kind of cold, but he's occupying a spot and money that could go to someone much better. He should be playing in Slovenia. Terrible pick by Hammond there.

[M-C-G]

JOB is guaranteed this season and then unguaranteed year 3. I am almost positive we already guaranteed year two when we signed him.


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[Bernman]

JOB is guaranteed this season and then unguaranteed year 3. I am almost positive we already guaranteed year two when we signed him.


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Going back and looking at it, Hoops Hype and Spotrac say unguaranteed, but Rotoworld it's the next year. So there definitely is a lot of confusion. Even Wichmae is being told different things.

I've seen plenty of 2nd rd picks with unguaranteed contracts their sophomore seasons. They are all different. JOB was a poor 2nd rounder. The Sixers only signed McDaniels to one year period and he actually has a pulse.

[randy84]

JOB signed a three year contract with a team option in year 3.

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[Dcebucks11]

Thats why we got rid of Dudley duh

[Bernman]

If Gardner is right, we should just waive him anyways. The roster spot would be better used by Frankie Muniz even.