Position Jabari Monroe Giannis

[ReasonablySober]

Nearly as silly as thinking an ESPN stat is a good thing to go by.

You said Monroe was average yesterday. I said slightly above average.

[AussieBuck]

Nearly as silly as thinking an ESPN stat is a good thing to go by.

You said Monroe was average yesterday. I said slightly above average.

Average player not average starting center. Just a guy, eminently replaceable.

[3Diamantidis]

For me it's all about Giannis and has been since the middle of his rookie year. He is virtually a lock to be a top-30 player in terms of value and still IMO has the potential to crack the top 10 if he adds a few go-to moves to his arsenal. For every other player on the team, to me it's a question of how they fit with Giannis moving forward. Middleton is a great fit with Giannis. Personally I don't like Jabari much because I want to surround Giannis with shooters and I think they'll have more than enough scoring with Giannis, Middleton, and a bunch of shooters. He's so bad in other areas of the game that it's not worth the trade-off. If they didn't already have two good offensive forwards, I might feel differently. As for Monroe, I don't really like him on the team at all. Both Parker and Monroe have more value to the team as trade chips to get the pieces they really need.

Giannis (pf)
Parker (prefer a trade, but can see him as a 30 mpg super-sub sf/pf)
Monroe (out)

This

[ReasonablySober]

Nearly as silly as thinking an ESPN stat is a good thing to go by.

You said Monroe was average yesterday. I said slightly above average.

Average player not average starting center. Just a guy, eminently replaceable.

Based on what?

[AussieBuck]

Watching him, knowledge of what impacts games, multi year RAPM IIRC. Post scoring hasn't been an impact thing for years and even then it's debatable, he's too slow of foot and mind to be an impact help defender. I just don't see how anyone can look at him and see anything special. That and he's an awful fit. I guess if he played out of the high post instead and had a good jumper you could make the argument he's worth having but you'd still have to move Jabari to have a decent defense.

[Prez]

Jabari - hybrid forward, but more SF than PF
Giannis - hybrid forward
Monroe - C on another team

Monroe doesn't fit here and he never will. He slows the game down way too much and stagnates the offense with his postups, and is awful defensively. We need an athletic center can catch lobs/finish easy layups, grab more than just uncontested rebounds, can protect the rim and defend the PnR. We don't need fancy post moves and and-1 screams. Just get a young garbage man center who can defend, rebound, and finish easy buckets. That's all we need.

Isn't that John henson?

Playoff Henson would be perfect if he showed up more than once every three weeks.

[Chapter29]

SF - Jabari
PF - Giannis
C - Playoff Henson with a real PG

Bench big - Monroe

As far as what I'd do with our current squad? This.

Again I lobby.....please bring back Kendall Marshall. He's losing PT to white guys for crying out loud.

Marshall-Middleton-Parker-Giannis-Henson with some Marshall-Vaughn-Middleton-Parker-Giannis thrown in for good measure.

[AussieBuck]

Yep start Henson and let him put up stats and then sell him to the Wizards or whoever.

[Baddy Chuck]

Playoff Henson will one day go down to the depths of what ifs Hakim Warrick and Charlie Villanueva.

[ReasonablySober]

Watching him, knowledge of what impacts games, multi year RAPM IIRC. Post scoring hasn't been an impact thing for years and even then it's debatable, he's too slow of foot and mind to be an impact help defender. I just don't see how anyone can look at him and see anything special. That and he's an awful fit. I guess if he played out of the high post instead and had a good jumper you could make the argument he's worth having but you'd still have to move Jabari to have a decent defense.

Okay one, I'm not saying he's special. Being one of the two best players on a turd of a team doesn't mean much.

Second, he's shooting 44% from 15-19 feet. Rest of the regulars from that distance:

Middleton - 38.2%
Giannis - 38%
MCW - 31%
Parker - 21%
Bayless - 35%
Mayo - 60%
Henson - 0%
JOB - 49%

Third, I don't care about fit. I'll care about fit when we have a better idea if Giannis, Parker, and to a lesser extent MCW actually develop. If Parker develops a jump shot and Giannis plays closer to the hoop and becomes the team's rim protector (something Hammond alluded to today ICYMI) Monroe will fit fine.

[Prez]

I was all for getting Marshall back here but he's been brutal in Philly, just terrible. Would probably give Nate a chance before Marshall given what I've seen of Marshall since his return.

As for Monroe, the defense is the biggest thing for me and I don't care what advanced stats say, he's been bad. Not just mediocre but flat out bad. Teams with lightning quick guards light him up. More than half the time he won't even rotate or get off his feet or put his hands up to contest. He regularly gets outrebounded, out boxed out, caught out of position, outhustled, out-everything'd in everything except low post offense that requires movement, jumping, playing hard, etc.

[Chapter29]

Hope you guys know how silly it sounds when you say our best player doesn't fit, when the reason he doesn't fit is our core players aren't good. Maybe have the patience to see how it looks next season when (hopefully) Giannis and Parker take another leap? If Parker and Giannis still can't shoot and you're worried about spacing, trade Monroe then and tank.

ETA: Or just trade Monroe now while his value is high. I don't care.

Um. Yeah. Been saying this all along.

Our "best" players aren't very good. At least not yet.

[randy84]

Watching him, knowledge of what impacts games, multi year RAPM IIRC. Post scoring hasn't been an impact thing for years and even then it's debatable, he's too slow of foot and mind to be an impact help defender. I just don't see how anyone can look at him and see anything special. That and he's an awful fit. I guess if he played out of the high post instead and had a good jumper you could make the argument he's worth having but you'd still have to move Jabari to have a decent defense.

Okay one, I'm not saying he's special. Being one of the two best players on a turd of a team doesn't mean much.

Second, he's shooting 44% from 15-19 feet. Rest of the regulars from that distance:

Middleton - 38.2%
Giannis - 38%
MCW - 31%
Parker - 21%
Bayless - 35%
Mayo - 60%
Henson - 0%
JOB - 49%

Third, I don't care about fit. I'll care about fit when we have a better idea if Giannis, Parker, and to a lesser extent MCW actually develop. If Parker develops a jump shot and Giannis plays closer to the hoop and becomes the team's rim protector (something Hammond alluded to today ICYMI) Monroe will fit fine.

Monroe will be gone by then or overpaid on a 5 year max contract.

[Chapter29]

I was all for getting Marshall back here but he's been brutal in Philly, just terrible. Would probably give Nate a chance before Marshall given what I've seen of Marshall since his return.

Only seen him once. He's just back from a knee injury right? May take time.

I want him for his capabilities to run a team and hopefully play the game the right way. That will help our kids I feel. I don't expect him to be great. Just do what he did for us last year. Unless he's playing poorly because his knee isn't right, then that's a problem.

[AussieBuck]

Watching him, knowledge of what impacts games, multi year RAPM IIRC. Post scoring hasn't been an impact thing for years and even then it's debatable, he's too slow of foot and mind to be an impact help defender. I just don't see how anyone can look at him and see anything special. That and he's an awful fit. I guess if he played out of the high post instead and had a good jumper you could make the argument he's worth having but you'd still have to move Jabari to have a decent defense.

Okay one, I'm not saying he's special. Being one of the two best players on a turd of a team doesn't mean much.

Second, he's shooting 44% from 15-19 feet. Rest of the regulars from that distance:

Middleton - 38.2%
Giannis - 38%
MCW - 31%
Parker - 21%
Bayless - 35%
Mayo - 60%
Henson - 0%
JOB - 49%

Third, I don't care about fit. I'll care about fit when we have a better idea if Giannis, Parker, and to a lesser extent MCW actually develop. If Parker develops a jump shot and Giannis plays closer to the hoop and becomes the team's rim protector (something Hammond alluded to today ICYMI) Monroe will fit fine.

He doesn't fit on any good team though. 16 points at decent efficiency isn't worth punting D and spacing. It's like having prime Al Jefferson on your team. He just makes life harder on both ends of the court than it could be.

[Baddy Chuck]

Monroe would fit better if Giannis and Jabari became everything we hope but it would still be pretty damn easy to find a better fit.

[ReasonablySober]

Watching him, knowledge of what impacts games, multi year RAPM IIRC. Post scoring hasn't been an impact thing for years and even then it's debatable, he's too slow of foot and mind to be an impact help defender. I just don't see how anyone can look at him and see anything special. That and he's an awful fit. I guess if he played out of the high post instead and had a good jumper you could make the argument he's worth having but you'd still have to move Jabari to have a decent defense.

Okay one, I'm not saying he's special. Being one of the two best players on a turd of a team doesn't mean much.

Second, he's shooting 44% from 15-19 feet. Rest of the regulars from that distance:

Middleton - 38.2%
Giannis - 38%
MCW - 31%
Parker - 21%
Bayless - 35%
Mayo - 60%
Henson - 0%
JOB - 49%

Third, I don't care about fit. I'll care about fit when we have a better idea if Giannis, Parker, and to a lesser extent MCW actually develop. If Parker develops a jump shot and Giannis plays closer to the hoop and becomes the team's rim protector (something Hammond alluded to today ICYMI) Monroe will fit fine.

He doesn't fit on any good team though. 16 points at decent efficiency isn't worth punting D and spacing. It's like having prime Al Jefferson on your team. He just makes life harder on both ends of the court than it could be.

The Al Jefferson that started 73 games and played 35 mpg on a team that two years ago had the 5th best defense in the league.

Cool, gotcha.

[VooDoo7]

Jabari and Giannis are pfs
Monroe is a center

they cannot play together because ridiculous as it may seem..... Monroe is the best midrange shooter of the bunch. longterm its the same clown show we got now.
I don't have a preference which of these guys gets moved but the sooner the better. this "future core" needs a major shakeup. its overrated.

>Insanely upset we moved Brandon Knight.
>Wants us to get rid of either Giannis or Jabari.

[blazza18]

Playoff Henson will one day go down to the depths of what ifs Hakim Warrick and Charlie Villanueva.

I don't like Henson at all. But I'd like to see him used as a guy who just blocks shots, sets hard screens and rolls to the basket to dunk the ball. Poor mans if you will.

I'd prefer that over what we have now.

[Baddy Chuck]

Playoff Henson will one day go down to the depths of what ifs Hakim Warrick and Charlie Villanueva.

I don't like Henson at all. But I'd like to see him used as a guy who just blocks shots, sets hard screens and rolls to the basket to dunk the ball. Poor mans if you will.

I'd prefer that over what we have now.

If he wasn't soft as hell and as motivated as Marcus Haislip he could be a solid poor mans Tyson Chandler/Brandan Wright type guy.