Brewhoop: Diagnosing the Bucks defense
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Yup. The defense is and has been broken for the entire year. I'm sure there are trust issues. But I'm not convinced the scheme absolutely won't work with a different group. I enjoyed watching last year's team play defense more than pretty much any Bucks' team I've ever watched. Not exactly saying much, as I've only witnessed three winning seasons in my entire basketball watching life, but still...
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The defense has never really worked with Jabari in the lineup. It was bad last year before his injury and with Jabari AND Monroe its completely unworkable. We had our best results last year with Henson starting before the deadline, and while it was kind of workable with Zaza, his lack of interior defense exposed us at times against teams that could take advantage, just not to the same extent Monroe's has.
If we had Draymond Green we'd look a lot better, but those guys don't exactly grow on trees.
If we are serious about playing this kind of defense we need to be targeting only players that fit into our scheme and right now our roster is a jumbled mess of players that don't fit with each other on either end.
The weird thing is we actually had something approximating players who fit our system at one point with Knight/Dudley/Zaza/Larry but for various reasons each of those guys has been replaced with worse fitting players.
If we had Draymond Green we'd look a lot better, but those guys don't exactly grow on trees.
If we are serious about playing this kind of defense we need to be targeting only players that fit into our scheme and right now our roster is a jumbled mess of players that don't fit with each other on either end.
The weird thing is we actually had something approximating players who fit our system at one point with Knight/Dudley/Zaza/Larry but for various reasons each of those guys has been replaced with worse fitting players.
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ampd wrote:The weird thing is we actually had something approximating players who fit our system at one point with Knight/Dudley/Zaza/Larry but for various reasons each of those guys has been replaced with worse fitting players.
I don't think you could even make the argument that Knight is a better fit in the system than MCW, and I hate both equally.
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Luckily the system doesn't have to work until we sell off Giannis and Parker for DeRozan and George Hill to compete.
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Baddy Chuck wrote:ampd wrote:The weird thing is we actually had something approximating players who fit our system at one point with Knight/Dudley/Zaza/Larry but for various reasons each of those guys has been replaced with worse fitting players.
I don't think you could even make the argument that Knight is a better fit in the system than MCW, and I hate both equally.
Not defensively. although Knight was fine defensively in our system I'd give an edge to MCW.
Offensively, assuming he'd have embraced playing off the ball more as our other players develop, he's light years better. We can't even contemplate MCW off the ball because he's useless without the ball in his hands, and not particularly good with it in his hands either.
Anyway if Knight being on that list of players offends you, pretend it isn't there. It doesn't really change anything about my larger point that we spent our off season exchanging players who fit with us on both ends for players like MCW, Monroe, Copeland, etc who really only sort of fit what we're doing on one end of the floor.
Under Hammond we've never really had a roster of players that fit together enough to show there's any kind of plan or team building philosophy in place.
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ampd wrote:The defense has never really worked with Jabari in the lineup. It was bad last year before his injury and with Jabari AND Monroe its completely unworkable. We had our best results last year with Henson starting before the deadline, and while it was kind of workable with Zaza, his lack of interior defense exposed us at times against teams that could take advantage, just not to the same extent Monroe's has.
If we had Draymond Green we'd look a lot better, but those guys don't exactly grow on trees.
If we are serious about playing this kind of defense we need to be targeting only players that fit into our scheme and right now our roster is a jumbled mess of players that don't fit with each other on either end.
The weird thing is we actually had something approximating players who fit our system at one point with Knight/Dudley/Zaza/Larry but for various reasons each of those guys has been replaced with worse fitting players.
I mean, it's a head-scratching exercise to consider the brainpower that went into constructing this roster. It's literally as if they simply went into a boardroom and:
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The article is pretty spot on. Though I see Monroe as a very poor defender right along with Parker.
I have never thought Middleton was a good defender. Especially at SG where I feels he lacks lateral quickness and athleticism. They certainly picked a play that shows very poor decision making on his part and we see that exact type of sagging to nowhere play from many of our players. Almost like they are taught to do that for some reason.
MCW and Giannis are our only 2 good defenders in the starting line up. And without a rim protector there is little you can do.
I have never thought Middleton was a good defender. Especially at SG where I feels he lacks lateral quickness and athleticism. They certainly picked a play that shows very poor decision making on his part and we see that exact type of sagging to nowhere play from many of our players. Almost like they are taught to do that for some reason.
MCW and Giannis are our only 2 good defenders in the starting line up. And without a rim protector there is little you can do.
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our scheme just needs to be re-evaluated in the off-season. i would blame it on that even more so than the players (though monroe obviously doesn't help AT ALL).
i watch a guy like jabari, and his on-ball defense isn't even that bad (relatively), but he looks lost in this scheme at times.
i think simplifying things and going back to basics without so much gambling would do wonders.
i watch a guy like jabari, and his on-ball defense isn't even that bad (relatively), but he looks lost in this scheme at times.
i think simplifying things and going back to basics without so much gambling would do wonders.
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Zeezprah wrote:our scheme just needs to be re-evaluated in the off-season.
I say re-evaluate it now. Get a jump on the off-season and start making changes immediately. We're not going anywhere this year anyway.
Also, I started a thread on this a few weeks ago (which was rightly locked), but there is nobody covering the Bucks right now that is better than Eric Nehm.
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They should've scrapped this sh*t in December. Now that the tank is officially heading down the other side of the hill, they better wait till next season. Even a mediocre defense wins too many games in the 2nd half of the season for a team that needs more balls to win.
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I remember when a lot of fans here thought Monroe would replace Zazas defense
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MadBlueEdwards wrote:Zeezprah wrote:our scheme just needs to be re-evaluated in the off-season.
I say re-evaluate it now. Get a jump on the off-season and start making changes immediately. We're not going anywhere this year anyway.
Also, I started a thread on this a few weeks ago (which was rightly locked), but there is nobody covering the Bucks right now that is better than Eric Nehm.
I'm not disagreeing with you. Change needs to be made.
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I greatly enjoyed watching the Bucks play defense last year. What a disappointment.
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Dcebucks11 wrote:I remember when a lot of fans here thought Monroe would replace Zazas defense
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