Milwaukee Offseason review on the trade board

[Ron Swanson]

Good luck getting Mills and Casspi using the mid-level exception.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

He did a **** ACL, you're making a fool of yourself if you're thinking anything other than it costing him a year and that's generous. Kyrie was a **** player until this last season, his 5th year and if it wasn't for Lebron he'd be leading a lottery team year after year regardless of his one on one scoring ability.

was super raw Giannis still a worse impact player than Dudley by his 3rd year? was the 2nd rounder middleton still searching for his role after 3 years?

right. I didn't think so.

the issues with parker are clear and will have absolutely nothing to do with his injury 2 years ago if they aren't improved this year.

bottom line is he doesnt defend. he doesnt rebound. and he doesnt extend the defense. hes a 15ft and in volume scorer with a history of injury problems. and if after this season, 2.5 years removed from his injury, he still isn't having the impact jared fcking Dudley had on the wins and losses of this team......then im going to have a problem next summer when talk of an extension at or near the max is going on considering wtf his trade value might still be.

[AussieBuck]

Good luck getting Mills and Casspi using the mid-level exception.

Patty Chuck seems like a MLE guy to me. Maybe if we sign up Bogut as well he'll join the Aussie crew on the MLE.

Delly 24/Patty 24
Mids 36/someone
Jabari 34/Giannis 14
Giannis 22/Teletovic 20/Thon 6
Bogut 18/Plums 22/Thon 8

Heck yeah. Thon if he's up to it can gradually take minutes from Bogut and Plums. Bogut transitions into full old man Kurt Thomas mode and eventually retires a Buck as an old ass 8 minute a game bench goon. I'd like to think he could still rustle Cousins' jimmies well into his mid thirties.

[Badgerlander]

should trade Monroe for Bosh

[AussieBuck]

He did a **** ACL, you're making a fool of yourself if you're thinking anything other than it costing him a year and that's generous. Kyrie was a **** player until this last season, his 5th year and if it wasn't for Lebron he'd be leading a lottery team year after year regardless of his one on one scoring ability.

was super raw Giannis still a worse impact player than Dudley by his 3rd year? was the 2nd rounder middleton still searching for his role after 3 years?

right. I didn't think so.

the issues with parker are clear and will have absolutely nothing to do with his injury 2 years ago if they aren't improved this year.

bottom line is he doesnt defend. he doesnt rebound. and he doesnt extend the defense. hes a 15ft and in volume scorer with a history of injury problems. and if after this season, 2.5 years removed from his injury, he still isn't having the impact jared fcking Dudley had on the wins and losses of this team......then im going to have a problem next summer when talk of an extension at or near the max is going on considering wtf his trade value may be.

Yeah, you're in full deliberately dense mode. Sucks.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

He did a **** ACL, you're making a fool of yourself if you're thinking anything other than it costing him a year and that's generous. Kyrie was a **** player until this last season, his 5th year and if it wasn't for Lebron he'd be leading a lottery team year after year regardless of his one on one scoring ability.

was super raw Giannis still a worse impact player than Dudley by his 3rd year? was the 2nd rounder middleton still searching for his role after 3 years?

right. I didn't think so.

the issues with parker are clear and will have absolutely nothing to do with his injury 2 years ago if they aren't improved this year.

bottom line is he doesnt defend. he doesnt rebound. and he doesnt extend the defense. hes a 15ft and in volume scorer with a history of injury problems. and if after this season, 2.5 years removed from his injury, he still isn't having the impact jared fcking Dudley had on the wins and losses of this team......then im going to have a problem next summer when talk of an extension at or near the max is going on considering wtf his trade value may be.

Yeah, you're in full deliberately dense mode. Sucks.

yeah real dense to suggest we deal the empty stat ppgz guy if we aren't winning. that's a new one nobodys ever suggested is it?

[AussieBuck]

was super raw Giannis still a worse impact player than Dudley by his 3rd year? was the 2nd rounder middleton still searching for his role after 3 years?

right. I didn't think so.

the issues with parker are clear and will have absolutely nothing to do with his injury 2 years ago if they aren't improved this year.

bottom line is he doesnt defend. he doesnt rebound. and he doesnt extend the defense. hes a 15ft and in volume scorer with a history of injury problems. and if after this season, 2.5 years removed from his injury, he still isn't having the impact jared fcking Dudley had on the wins and losses of this team......then im going to have a problem next summer when talk of an extension at or near the max is going on considering wtf his trade value may be.

Yeah, you're in full deliberately dense mode. Sucks.

yeah real dense. deal the empty stat ppgz guy if we aren't winning. that's a new one nobodys ever suggested is it?

Sitting in your Knight got trade funk still **** on Jabari and pretending he didn't lose a year with the ACL. Snap out of it dude, you're the only one missing out here.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Yeah, you're in full deliberately dense mode. Sucks.

yeah real dense. deal the empty stat ppgz guy if we aren't winning. that's a new one nobodys ever suggested is it?

Sitting in your Knight got trade funk still **** on Jabari and pretending he didn't lose a year with the ACL. Snap out of it dude, you're the only one missing out here.

uhhh.. knight could shoot and play a little defense, at a position of need, and we were winning when we dealt him.
and uhhh.... if we win with Jabari in a role like that I wont have a problem?

and as far as being the only one with this gut feeling or opinion? nah... theres plenty of others. if this is a 37 win season with Jabari not improving that much in that featured role.... then there will be far more. the minority will be those singing your tune.

bottom line to me is this team won games with giannis, middleton, knight and some solid role players. when we started winning in 14/15 Jabari was out and a type of player you usually covet was in. swap delly for knight and if the losing continues to be a trend youll make sure to remember this conversation clearly wont you?

[DingleJerry]

And queue up people now telling you how Knight was garbage on D in spite of the team being the best defensive team in the league that year and that he was actually a negative.

For those coming at him, keep in mind he's not exactly predicting this. He's just saying "if" the team doesn't win next year.

[engelmartin]

I guarantee Dellavedova will be a better fit on this team than Knight was. Giannis and Jabari have both improved greatly since Knight was here, maybe at the time we needed a ball-hog chucker to take all of the shots. At this point wouldn't you prefer Giannis and Jabari taking most of the shots?

Let's give Jabari another year. He's looked incredible all summer and he's probably past the injury at this point.

[crkone]

Guess I'll put this here:

http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2016/09/23/the-defensive-3-point-revolution/

We scan the NBA landscape and see elite offenses with 3-point shooting at their core. The natural reaction is to expect NBA defenses to be designed with preventing the 3 as a core principle.

Certainly some teams have adapted quickly. San Antonio and Golden State both employ effective minimal help models (and not surprisingly, are very successful franchises). Coach Tom Thibodeau pioneered the model as an assistant coach for the 2008 Champion Celtics. He then employed his defensive model with great success for years in Chicago.

Milwaukee and Atlanta have found defensive success with a modern swarming model. Their success is in part due to a focus on bringing in long and positionally-versatile wings that can switch screens and occupy passing lanes.

Yet, we still see a number of teams seemingly unsure of what to do in response to the 3-point revolution. To understand why teams appear so stubborn, we have to understand where today’s coaches and managers came from.

Many of the executives and coaches in today’s NBA have been involved in high-level basketball for 30 years or more. The first 25 of these years, these individuals never encountered a team like Golden State. Furthermore, these coaches and managers are where they are because they were so successful in the past. We have individuals that have seen decades of success with certain systems and philosophies. Why would we expect them to change so quickly?

We can’t ignore the practical challenges of finding the right personnel for a modern defensive system. When the 3-point shooting giants first presented, it was also new for NBA players. A minimal help model might be nice in theory, but how successful would a team be at implementing it if all of its players have no experience in anything similar?

Changing defensive systems can also require a significant revision to the roster. Teams might have players under contract for several years whose value would diminish tremendously if the team changed defensive strategy.

While we sympathize with the challenges NBA decision makers face when trying to counter the 3-point revolution, the challenges do not negate the reality that teams must adapt.

I'd suggest reading the whole article. Delves into Sport VU data for teams that don't help and swarming defenses.