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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#201 » by raferfenix » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:16 pm

Press conference now:

https://www.facebook.com/milwaukeebucks/videos/10153949170717817/

Giannis was just asked about not taking the 5 year max: "My agency we ended up the deal was to be here for 4+ years so that's what we decided and that's what happened."

I think ReasonablySober is right that Giannis probably wanted an option after year 4 and the Bucks came to a compromise.

Also I'm ok with Jabari having the incentive of the 5 year max to take his game to even greater heights.
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Post#202 » by Prez » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:17 pm

Sounding like it was the Bucks that encouraged him to take a discount and he just went with it.
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WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#203 » by GoldenAntlers » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:22 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:if we turn out to be so inept that we cant win with Giannis and he ends up leaving.... with all the assets we have here, the new arena, the warchest of cash the new owners represent...... with all that if we cant win enough with Giannis to keep him here.... then dammit that will be the last straw for me too. I'm gonna follow him wherever he goes....lol


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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#204 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:26 pm

I really don't like that the Bucks are openly pressuring other players into taking less than the max. That's bulls*it.
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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#205 » by MoreTrife » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:29 pm

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Giannis was just asked about not taking the 5 year max: "My agency we ended up the deal was to be here for 4+ years so that's what we decided and that's what happened."

I think ReasonablySober is right that Giannis probably wanted an option after year 4 and the Bucks came to a compromise.

Also I'm ok with Jabari having the incentive of the 5 year max to take his game to even greater heights.


I watched the presser and that's not how I heard it/understood it. Giannis, in my hearing, indicated he took less than the max to give the team flexibility and to show he's a "leader on and off the court". Meaning, he will put team first.
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Post#206 » by VooDoo7 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:31 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I really don't like that the Bucks are openly pressuring other players into taking less than the max. That's bulls*it.

Agree. Makes us look like a second rate organization. Not a good look.
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Post#207 » by VooDoo7 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:32 pm

Khash, Greg and Jabari. I think Thon and Ennis was there too. Maybe more. No Vaughn tho, even tho he got the shout out from Giannis.

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Post#208 » by Prez » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:33 pm

Not a fan of this at all. How the **** are you gonna put that on Giannis after it was your dumb ass that dished out 41M/yr to 3 mediocre centers? If he's the one offering to do it, cool, but if not, give him the max and be done with it. My god.
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Post#209 » by vegaspacker » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:34 pm

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:if we turn out to be so inept that we cant win with Giannis and he ends up leaving.... with all the assets we have here, the new arena, the warchest of cash the new owners represent...... with all that if we cant win enough with Giannis to keep him here.... then dammit that will be the last straw for me too. I'm gonna follow him wherever he goes....lol


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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#210 » by raferfenix » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:55 pm

It can be true that Giannis both wanted an out after 4 years as well as to make a gesture to the franchise by taking a few million dollars less than max.

This is a better situation for all involved than if he had insisted on an option after the 4th year making max money per year without a rationale at the ready for why he didn't do 5 years guaranteed.

However, let's be real here: the leaving money on the table part is mostly a symbolic gesture. $6 million over 4 years barely registers.

Let's not pretend like he took a Tim Duncan or Manu Ginobili like discount to allow us to pick up another star.

Yes we could sign a few more Steve Novak's for what Giannis left on the table though.
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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#211 » by imithanos » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:11 pm

raferfenix wrote:It can be true that Giannis both wanted an out after 4 years as well as to make a gesture to the franchise by taking a few million dollars less than max.

This is a better situation for all involved than if he had insisted on an option after the 4th year making max money per year without a rationale at the ready for why he didn't do 5 years guaranteed.

However, let's be real here: the leaving money on the table part is mostly a symbolic gesture. $6 million over 4 years barely registers.

Let's not pretend like he took a Tim Duncan or Manu Ginobili like discount to allow us to pick up another star.

Yes we could sign a few more Steve Novak's for what Giannis left on the table though.


That was his first contract. Most people would want the max amount and length. Idk if Duncan took a discount on his rookie extension.

If Jabari leaves $1.5m too, that is $3m. When Khris hits the FA in 3 years those $3m can a really big deal. :nod:
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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#212 » by drone3 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:13 pm

I'm still confused is the max really being saved for Parker?
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Post#213 » by Presence » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:23 pm

Nope.

Also, in case that didn't register with whomever watched it after Eric Nehm's questions, Giannis' side wanted the 4+1PO, the Bucks suggested 4 years with a reduced salary. 5-year straight max was apparently a no no from Giannis' agency.
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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#214 » by Wiscfan92 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:29 pm

Reading other board's comments on this deal is hilarious. "In 2 years this will be a horrible deal for the Bucks" "He's so overrated" -- If Bazemore can get $19mil a year, I'd say this deal is extremely worth it. Maxed out would have been worth it too. Can't afford to let him even think about free agency.
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Post#215 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:35 pm

Presence wrote:Nope.

Also, in case that didn't register with whomever watched it after Eric Nehm's questions, Giannis' side wanted the 4+1PO, the Bucks suggested 4 years with a reduced salary. 5-year straight max was apparently a no no from Giannis' agency.


So it's literally the exact thing I predicted.
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Post#216 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:36 pm

Read on Twitter


So we can assume his salary is declining in years three and four, right?
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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#217 » by JimmyTheKid » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:37 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:if we turn out to be so inept that we cant win with Giannis and he ends up leaving.... with all the assets we have here, the new arena, the warchest of cash the new owners represent...... with all that if we cant win enough with Giannis to keep him here.... then dammit that will be the last straw for me too. I'm gonna follow him wherever he goes....lol


Yeah I'm probably with you... for the first time ever.

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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#218 » by crkone » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:43 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Read on Twitter


So we can assume his salary is declining in years three and four, right?


His last year is $28 mil. He got it wrong.

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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#219 » by VooDoo7 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:43 pm

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:if we turn out to be so inept that we cant win with Giannis and he ends up leaving.... with all the assets we have here, the new arena, the warchest of cash the new owners represent...... with all that if we cant win enough with Giannis to keep him here.... then dammit that will be the last straw for me too. I'm gonna follow him wherever he goes....lol


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Re: WOJ: Giannis Extension - 4/100 

Post#220 » by GrandAdmiralDan » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:54 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Read on Twitter


So we can assume his salary is declining in years three and four, right?


No, that tweet is not correct. It is not possible to jump from near $23 mil in year 1 to near $28 mil in year 2. Gardner must be suffering from CTE as a result of his constant rapid head nodding
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