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I love Kidd's connections, I really do believe he makes Milwaukee a more desirable destination. Now, if the players he wants to bring in fit well enough is the question. I enjoy Kidd, some things he has done made me scratch my head but the way the lineup was at the end of last season kind of makes me think he was just giving tough love to guys and now has a good idea of what this team actually is and can be going forward. Remember, everyone loved Kidd his first year because we overachieved, now theres a lot of haters because the team took a step back.
Moving Monroe to the bench took balls, even though we all said it should have been done earlier. Having Giannis initiate the offense was a great call, another one that a lot of us here wanted to see done. I think regardless of who our coach is everyone will hate on them regardless until we get results, even if that problem lies more within the players he has.
Now, the one downfall about Kidd seems to be the Schwartz connection and who knows maybe its just a coincidence but we all know that is probably not the case. I am happy to see Kidd here for the foreseeable future. The players seem to really like him and coach Kidd does seem to be opening up just a little more each season, he smiles at least 3 times a week now.
Moving Monroe to the bench took balls, even though we all said it should have been done earlier. Having Giannis initiate the offense was a great call, another one that a lot of us here wanted to see done. I think regardless of who our coach is everyone will hate on them regardless until we get results, even if that problem lies more within the players he has.
Now, the one downfall about Kidd seems to be the Schwartz connection and who knows maybe its just a coincidence but we all know that is probably not the case. I am happy to see Kidd here for the foreseeable future. The players seem to really like him and coach Kidd does seem to be opening up just a little more each season, he smiles at least 3 times a week now.
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I like Kidd as a coach and believe he will continue to improve. His trajectory is in line with the core and I'm okay with that.
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The big question is if he learned from the mistakes he made. This starts with admitting you made mistakes, but ofcourse he didn't do that in public. He has to admit (to himself) he's not the great coach (yet) who can make it work with players that don't fit or are bad defenders. For this he has to have some modesty, but that is rare with (former) stars.
But in every interview that I hear I get the impression he's very smart. He doesn't tell what he realy thinks and he doesn't tell what he doesn't want to tell, whatever journalists try. I think he knows very well what the big picture is, how to get there and when. Last year had no meaning at all. So we all know nothing realy at the moment. But he showed he had patience with the development of Giannis and Jabari and that was the most important thing. The question is if this year is soon enough to harvest already and get in the play-offs (even if it's 8th seed).
I still have my doubts about Kidd but for now I have much more confidence he'll become a great coach. And I'll be waiting for the moment VooDoo admits he was wrong all the time.
But in every interview that I hear I get the impression he's very smart. He doesn't tell what he realy thinks and he doesn't tell what he doesn't want to tell, whatever journalists try. I think he knows very well what the big picture is, how to get there and when. Last year had no meaning at all. So we all know nothing realy at the moment. But he showed he had patience with the development of Giannis and Jabari and that was the most important thing. The question is if this year is soon enough to harvest already and get in the play-offs (even if it's 8th seed).
I still have my doubts about Kidd but for now I have much more confidence he'll become a great coach. And I'll be waiting for the moment VooDoo admits he was wrong all the time.
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Kidd got his pass for me at the moment he made Giannis Point.
It unlocked so many possibilities.
I posted back then and i will do it again now: How many coaches in the league would have done this?
It's to his credit.
Second credit: He made middleton one of the top SGs in the league. He gave him the confidence, he gave him everything khris wanted to feel important.
Is it enough to delete his crucial mistakes(monroe, copeland, martin, vasquez, bayless/mayo and their usage, the rotation mins of the roster in general, the game plan at crunch time)?
Delete no. But those 2 things definitely bought him plenty of time.
With giannis at point, khris at that level(hopefully he will come back even better) and jabari certainly taking one more step forward this season(i mean all of us realize that with giannis at point, jabari is the player we want right?) kidd has built a very strong core for years to come.
And that was the most difficult part.
The rest of the pieces seem a problem right now because he doesn't give signs of knowing who will stay with those 3 in the future and who will not. He is experimenting, trying different things. Some of these things are annoying(we all know that monroe won't fit no matter if he is a good player), some others remain to be judged this season(MCW, Henson, plumlee, vaughn) and some others are very good moves on paper(teletovic, delly, terry). And there are always the question marks(brogdon, maker, beasley).
If the team makes the playoffs, i think he will guide the bucks in the future for enough years.
If not, i think the owners will give him one more season(17/18) with the reminder that even if they do not make the POs, the "big 3" must continue to evolve.
It unlocked so many possibilities.
I posted back then and i will do it again now: How many coaches in the league would have done this?
It's to his credit.
Second credit: He made middleton one of the top SGs in the league. He gave him the confidence, he gave him everything khris wanted to feel important.
Is it enough to delete his crucial mistakes(monroe, copeland, martin, vasquez, bayless/mayo and their usage, the rotation mins of the roster in general, the game plan at crunch time)?
Delete no. But those 2 things definitely bought him plenty of time.
With giannis at point, khris at that level(hopefully he will come back even better) and jabari certainly taking one more step forward this season(i mean all of us realize that with giannis at point, jabari is the player we want right?) kidd has built a very strong core for years to come.
And that was the most difficult part.
The rest of the pieces seem a problem right now because he doesn't give signs of knowing who will stay with those 3 in the future and who will not. He is experimenting, trying different things. Some of these things are annoying(we all know that monroe won't fit no matter if he is a good player), some others remain to be judged this season(MCW, Henson, plumlee, vaughn) and some others are very good moves on paper(teletovic, delly, terry). And there are always the question marks(brogdon, maker, beasley).
If the team makes the playoffs, i think he will guide the bucks in the future for enough years.
If not, i think the owners will give him one more season(17/18) with the reminder that even if they do not make the POs, the "big 3" must continue to evolve.
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thomchatt3rton wrote:How about this: What kind of credit does Kidd get for PGiannis?
All of it that can't be attributed to Giannis? I think if Larry Drew was the coach, Giannis might very well be heading down the Tim Thomas path as a player. Drew had no idea what to do with Giannis.
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DutchManDanFan wrote:The big question is if he learned from the mistakes he made. This starts with admitting you made mistakes, but ofcourse he didn't do that in public. He has to admit (to himself) he's not the great coach (yet) who can make it work with players that don't fit or are bad defenders. For this he has to have some modesty, but that is rare with (former) stars.
But in every interview that I hear I get the impression he's very smart. He doesn't tell what he realy thinks and he doesn't tell what he doesn't want to tell, whatever journalists try. I think he knows very well what the big picture is, how to get there and when. Last year had no meaning at all. So we all know nothing realy at the moment. But he showed he had patience with the development of Giannis and Jabari and that was the most important thing. The question is if this year is soon enough to harvest already and get in the play-offs (even if it's 8th seed).
I still have my doubts about Kidd but for now I have much more confidence he'll become a great coach. And I'll be waiting for the moment VooDoo admits he was wrong all the time.
This was exactly my concern and his post season letter to the fans was an admission of fault. At least enough that it bought him some time with me. Hearing that we are pushing pace and 3s this offseason is another step down that path which I find encouraging.
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Drew new exactly what he was doing.
Drew slotted Middleton to the SG position.
Giannis was so good at the SF, but he had Middleton there with his nice shooting ... so he slotted Khris to the SG.
Giannis was slotted as SG at his rookie year too. Giannis grew and switched with Khris.
Of course Kidd did not make Giannis PG.
Giannis participated in the All-star skills competition in his rookie year.
Giannis PG skills was shown early, but Knight was such a dominant guard at that time and Giannis too raw.
I have huge respect for Drew.
Kidd needs help at the defensive scheme and I said it before, Popovich took Mesina the Italian coach (he was CSKA Russian head coach)
Kidd needs at least next summer either Itoudis (CSKA head coach) or Bartzokas (Barcelona head coach). Both have won the Euroleague title as head coach.
Bucks need another Greek God ... another Greek mind to the coaching staff.
The two above could turn out to be your "Giannis Coach Version".
Next Year...
They already make videos of Barcelona's Bartzokas style ... Bartzokas has great offensive plans...
Drew slotted Middleton to the SG position.
Giannis was so good at the SF, but he had Middleton there with his nice shooting ... so he slotted Khris to the SG.
Giannis was slotted as SG at his rookie year too. Giannis grew and switched with Khris.
Of course Kidd did not make Giannis PG.
Giannis participated in the All-star skills competition in his rookie year.
Giannis PG skills was shown early, but Knight was such a dominant guard at that time and Giannis too raw.
I have huge respect for Drew.
Kidd needs help at the defensive scheme and I said it before, Popovich took Mesina the Italian coach (he was CSKA Russian head coach)
Kidd needs at least next summer either Itoudis (CSKA head coach) or Bartzokas (Barcelona head coach). Both have won the Euroleague title as head coach.
Bucks need another Greek God ... another Greek mind to the coaching staff.
The two above could turn out to be your "Giannis Coach Version".
Next Year...
They already make videos of Barcelona's Bartzokas style ... Bartzokas has great offensive plans...
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M-C-G wrote:thomchatt3rton wrote:How about this: What kind of credit does Kidd get for PGiannis?
All of it that can't be attributed to Giannis? I think if Larry Drew was the coach, Giannis might very well be heading down the Tim Thomas path as a player. Drew had no idea what to do with Giannis.
Thats kinda how I feel- I think you have to give Kidd credit. It probably in part came naturally from Kidd's tendency to hunt match-up advantages which has been the main defining trait of his coaching style (maybe the only defining trait).
I do wonder though- if we had had a better record and healthier backcourt, would Kidd have pulled the trigger on PGiannis? I know they were working on it in practice etc.
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Nevertheless, Yes, Kidd deserves credit to the Point Giannis continuity !!!
MCW was not as good as expected, he could not set for himself or his teammates.
Thank God the circumstances turned Giannis into God Mode.
MCW was not as good as expected, he could not set for himself or his teammates.
Thank God the circumstances turned Giannis into God Mode.
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Bucks averaged 15.6 3PA per game last year, made 5.4, @ 34.5% according to basetball ref.
Last night, Bucks took 25 3PA, made 10, @ 40%...court looked to open up quite a bit, and guys seemed to be hustling to get to the corners in transition. Obviously just one preseason game, but I think the changes were pretty evident.
Last night, Bucks took 25 3PA, made 10, @ 40%...court looked to open up quite a bit, and guys seemed to be hustling to get to the corners in transition. Obviously just one preseason game, but I think the changes were pretty evident.
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M-C-G wrote:Bucks averaged 15.6 3PA per game last year, made 5.4, @ 34.5% according to basetball ref.
Last night, Bucks took 25 3PA, made 10, @ 40%...court looked to open up quite a bit, and guys seemed to be hustling to get to the corners in transition. Obviously just one preseason game, but I think the changes were pretty evident.
Yup. And the argument for not adding guys like Delly and Telly until this season is because going into last year we didn't absolutely know Giannis and Jabari were going to be Giannis and Jabari, FRANCHISE CORNERSTONES. But they both took huge leaps. After determining the core, Kidd and Hammond went out and found pieces to fit. Our shooters are going to get a ton of uncontested looks this year. Because not only do Jabari and Giannis both have the ability to constantly draw a second defender, but they have the unselfishness and passing acumen to hit the open man for rhythm jumpers.
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Saw on twitter we averaged around 20 three point attempts last preseason. I'll wait and see on if we take more during real games.
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blazza18 wrote:Saw on twitter we averaged around 20 three point attempts last preseason. I'll wait and see on if we take more during real games.
Yeah but to be fair, Copeland was still getting minutes in pre season so there's a fair portion.
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Kidd is apparently talking on the Big 920, I can't tune it now, can anyone share what he says?
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Jkidd as a player was one of my all time favorites.
So im willing to give him more time to develop as a HC.
Defense scheme was bad.
10 player rotation in games is bad.
Offense still isnt built around G and J, until I see this change specifically, i wont bump kidd up in the HC ladder.
Sometimes he wouldn't call time outs and let games get out of hand.
Theres been enough reports that say hes a dictator as a HC, and cant handle the assistant coaches speaking against what he wants. He demoted then fired Lawrence, back on the nets.
I will wait and see.
Hes still new and learning
So im willing to give him more time to develop as a HC.
Defense scheme was bad.
10 player rotation in games is bad.
Offense still isnt built around G and J, until I see this change specifically, i wont bump kidd up in the HC ladder.
Sometimes he wouldn't call time outs and let games get out of hand.
Theres been enough reports that say hes a dictator as a HC, and cant handle the assistant coaches speaking against what he wants. He demoted then fired Lawrence, back on the nets.
I will wait and see.
Hes still new and learning
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So if the Bucks win around 30 games (which is what I think they'll do) is Kidd still guaranteed a job? Sucks to think that the Middleton injury might give him another free pass.
If Zanik is really going to be the guy, he should be able to pick his own leadership.
If Zanik is really going to be the guy, he should be able to pick his own leadership.
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jakecronus8 wrote:So if the Bucks win around 30 games (which is what I think they'll do) is Kidd still guaranteed a job? Sucks to think that the Middleton injury might give him another free pass.
If Zanik is really going to be the guy, he should be able to pick his own leadership.
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M-C-G wrote:For reference, here is Kidd's letter to fans, which I thought was pretty cool and frankly, bought him more time from me.A BLUEPRINT TO OWNING THE FUTURE
Posted: May 17, 2016
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It’s been about a month since our season came to a close here in Milwaukee, and when you look at our year on paper and in the standings, it’s easy to just say, “The Bucks took a step back.”Spoiler:
Discuss...
Interesting that there was no mention of MCW in his long letter, speaks volumes that MCW is no longer in the team's plans.
Kidd seems to like Ennis and Monroe and praised them in his letter. Bucks should've traded Vaughn instead of Ennis, they had a glut of PGs at that time so that's probably why Ennis was traded.
In the letter, Kidd mentioned the need to get more long range shooting in the team. The new additions of Delly, Telly, Terry, Brogdon and Snell will greatly help the 3pt shooting and spreading the floor.
Having watched the preseason games, our PG position is much improved, better defence, better passing and better long range shooting, so glad MCW is gone. Brogdon is turning to be a very good 2nd round pick, he's already a better PG than MCW. Our PG rotation of Giannis, Delly and Brogdon should be very good.
Giannis and Jabari looked much improved from last season and will become dominant players for the Bucks this season. Thon looks raw but if he has a consistent jumper, he could help the team this season as a stretch 4 as well as in defence. Snell looks good when he plays against the Bucks, hope he can produce the same level playing for the Bucks.
Very unfortunate about Middleton's injury, but I still think the Bucks should make the playoffs this season, and Middleton will return for the playoff run. The roster is much improved from last season, they just need to play good defence consistently. I like the defence they played in the last preseason game, if they keep playing that solid defence for every game, they have a good chance of making postseason.
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Coach Kidd wrote:MY OFFSEASON
I’m always looking to get better, to see what I can do to help our team to reach our goals. One of the things I’m doing is going through tape of the season and looking back. I know our defense took a step back, so one of my questions this offseason is, “What can I do to help us get better defensively?” When the guys are on the floor, I want them to be confident that they can achieve their goals defensively. Maybe it’s substituting defensive assignments, maybe it’s offensive play-calling. I’m looking at everything now so I can put my guys in better positions to win.
CHA: 7 3PM 23 3PA @ 30%
MKE: 3 3PM 16 3PA @ 19%
Mirza FGA 12, 3PA 5
Parker FGA 9, 3PA 1
Both these stat lines are pretty disappointing. Someone has to tell Mirza we don't need him driving to the post anymore than we need Monroe shooting 3 pt shots.
We actually did a much better job holding them from three than I thought, though game flow probably discouraged. Last season we gave up 9.3 3PM on 26.5 3PA @ 35%
Last year we made 5.4 3PM on 15.6 3PA @ 34.5%