To Pay Snell or Not to Pay Snell........ That is the question.

Baddy Chuck · Post #81 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:40 pm

Diggr14 wrote:Because we want to draft players that are chronically hurt or stuck in Europe for years. Hinkie wouldn't know what to do with an asset like Giannis.

Wait, we're counting Saric as a negative for Hinkie now? :lol:

M-C-G · Post #82 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:45 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Diggr14 wrote:Because we want to draft players that are chronically hurt or stuck in Europe for years. Hinkie wouldn't know what to do with an asset like Giannis.

Wait, we're counting Saric as a negative for Hinkie now?

If we got Hinkie, I'd (try unsuccessfully) do a back flip

Diggr14 · Post #83 » by **Diggr14** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:47 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Diggr14 wrote:Because we want to draft players that are chronically hurt or stuck in Europe for years. Hinkie wouldn't know what to do with an asset like Giannis.

Wait, we're counting Saric as a negative for Hinkie now?

He's good.. but you dont have 4-5 years to tear it down draft players 3 deep at the same position and questionably draft just mediocre considering where he was in the draft.

Plus, going into a new arena I think fans expect near 50 wins soon, especially after footing a large sum of the 500M arena... not 50 wins total over 3 seasons like a Hinkie engineered team would bring. What Hinkie did was a pretty lazy method of GMing. If he was better at drafting, he never would have had multiple top 7 picks like he did.

Eeavers57 · Post #84 » by **Eeavers57** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:53 pm

Pay him, as I have my reasons.

Baddy Chuck · Post #85 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:05 pm

Diggr14 wrote:He's good.. but you dont have 4-5 years to tear it down draft players 3 deep at the same position and questionably draft just mediocre considering where he was in the draft.

Plus, going into a new arena I think fans expect near 50 wins soon, especially after footing a large sum of the 500M arena... not 50 wins total over 3 seasons like a Hinkie engineered team would bring. What Hinkie did was a pretty lazy method of GMing. If he was better at drafting, he never would have had multiple top 7 picks like he did.

4-5 years? Surely people who criticize the guy know Hinkie was there 3 seasons, correct?

emunney · Post #86 » by **emunney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:09 pm

Hinkie built a formidable talent base by fully committing to the path the league's structure most forcefully suggests, but I'm curious to know what he would do to get from TALENT BASE to MOON BASE. I really have no idea. Did he have a plan for after The Process? Was it any good?

Chapter29 · Post #87 » by **Chapter29** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:10 pm

If we really believe he is a 13 plus M dollar player than I say try and trade him now and if there is no value keep him and let him walk if he is indeed that expensive.

17M? That's some funny sheet right there. No chance I sign him for that.

I did not vote.

SirChurros · Post #88 » by **SirChurros** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:27 pm

emunney wrote:Hinkie built a formidable talent base by fully committing to the path the league's structure most forcefully suggests, but I'm curious to know what he would do to get from TALENT BASE to MOON BASE. I really have no idea. Did he have a plan for after The Process? Was it any good?

Pretty sure the bolded is part of the reason he got canned.

blazza18 · Post #89 » by **blazza18** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:46 pm

I think he's a solid role player. But I'm not giving him close to 9 or 10 million a year. We just made that mistake last offseason.

MiltownHawkeye · Post #90 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:47 pm

emunney wrote:Hinkie built a formidable talent base by fully committing to the path the league's structure most forcefully suggests, but I'm curious to know what he would do to get from TALENT BASE to MOON BASE. I really have no idea. Did he have a plan for after The Process? Was it any good?

This is where my skepticism lied with Hinkie. I'm not convinced he was actually very good at talent evaluation. I think there are numerous GMs that could pull off the same thing if their only goal was to cynically sell off productive non-rookie contract players for assets whereever possible and take BPA with early lotto picks. If you put Hinkie in an organization that demanded he put together some semblance of a winning product right away, would he be able to do that? We don't really know.

The Sixers are in an amazing position no doubt, but I don't necessarily agree with all the praise he got. His job was to replace a **** house with a good one, and he basically got lauded just for tearing down the **** house.

trwi7 · Post #91 » by **trwi7** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:47 pm

Have It All wrote:
emunney wrote:Hinkie built a formidable talent base by fully committing to the path the league's structure most forcefully suggests, but I'm curious to know what he would do to get from TALENT BASE to MOON BASE. I really have no idea. Did he have a plan for after The Process? Was it any good?

Pretty sure the bolded is part of the reason he got canned.

Well he didn't get fired. And even if he did, it wasn't because of his plan after the process considering they were still in the process when he left the team.

SirChurros · Post #92 » by **SirChurros** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:56 pm

trwi7 wrote:
Have It All wrote:
emunney wrote:Hinkie built a formidable talent base by fully committing to the path the league's structure most forcefully suggests, but I'm curious to know what he would do to get from TALENT BASE to MOON BASE. I really have no idea. Did he have a plan for after The Process? Was it any good?

Pretty sure the bolded is part of the reason he got canned.

Well he didn't get fired. And even if he did, it wasn't because of his plan after the process considering they were still in the process when he left the team.

He essentially got fired. It was pretty much a resign to save face or you're going to get fired type of thing.

Baddy Chuck · Post #93 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:58 pm

It was pretty much a "resign or be another Colangelo crony who already had a hand in your moves well before they forced you out".

emunney · Post #94 » by **emunney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:58 pm

He got usurped because the owner lost his nerve, plain and simple.

worthlessBucks · Post #95 » by **worthlessBucks** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:59 pm

A lot of comical Hinkie talk lately on here. Would one rather have Simmons, Embiid, Okafor, Noel, Saric, Lakers first, Kings swaps, our own first...or be in the treadmill like position of the Pistons, who are contemplating swapping parts for parts to see if something might work.

Gee tough one. Sixers weren't winning anything before, they peaked and would have had to start the swap for swap game looking for their own version of lightning in a bottle. The analysis of the draft shows that HOFs are found in the top half of the lottery. All fans want is hope, hope for that one day their team might compete at a high level for the championship. 1 method provides that hope. It might not work, but the methods and premise were absolutely correct.

Fotis St · Post #96 » by **Fotis St** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:03 pm

Snell is having his best career year, cause Mid was down.
He was meant to be our backup SG ... Jabari's injury though, and Beasley being FA, leaves us thin at SF.
I guess that if the prices of Snell and Beasley rise our FO will have to choose to sign one of them.
The true question is who you choose from Beasley and Snell ?
I hope they both stay here earning about 15M/y in total both, but that is unlikely.

ampd · Post #97 » by **ampd** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:13 pm

worthlessBucks wrote:The analysis of the draft shows that HOFs are found in the top half of the lottery. All fans want is hope, hope for that one day their team might compete at a high level for the championship. 1 method provides that hope.

Of the pool of every single championship team in NBA history, how many employed a 76ers style totally gut the roster and tank for years strategy and eventually won the championship?

Answer: zero

But yeah, one method to win the championship :lol:

worthlessBucks · Post #98 » by **worthlessBucks** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:17 pm

ampd wrote:Of the pool of every single championship team in NBA history, how many employed a 76ers style totally gut the roster and tank for years strategy and eventually won the championship?

Answer: zero

But yeah, one method to win the championship

I said hope for a championship, don't confuse the two. Championship teams have superstars, who are found in the top of the lottery. There is no precedent for what they attempted nor do we get to see what the architect, who had ownership buy-in, got to do at the next stage with all his pieces.

How many teams have assembled mediocre garbage teams with no hope? Over half the league, each year, for an eternity.

worthlessBucks · Post #99 » by **worthlessBucks** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:29 pm

Snell has obviously been really solid (and great beyond the arc) the last few months. I like him and he's a nice little part of a bigger final equation if he's locked in at a good rate, but will we ever get the other parts? Like always, I would let the market dictate what we do with Snell. Shoulder shrug probably won't though, it has been quite rare in his near decade tenure. Could we find similar productivity off the scrap heap, like we just did to acquire Snell in the first place? MCW was scrap. Is there a second round pick who can offer somewhat similar production at a fraction of the cost? A journeyman free agent?

emunney · Post #100 » by **emunney** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:37 pm

ampd wrote:
worthlessBucks wrote:The analysis of the draft shows that HOFs are found in the top half of the lottery. All fans want is hope, hope for that one day their team might compete at a high level for the championship. 1 method provides that hope.

Of the pool of every single championship team in NBA history, how many employed a 76ers style totally gut the roster and tank for years strategy and eventually won the championship?

Answer: zero

But yeah, one method to win the championship

Nobody's done it.

Keep, Trade or let walk............ TONY SNELL.