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Re: PG Thread (Raptors - GAME 6) - Bucks blew a 2-1 lead in the first round. 

Post#621 » by Jez2983 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:26 am

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Ron Swanson wrote:Nope. When you hold your opponent to totals of 83, 77, 87, and 92 points in 4 of the 6 games on 43% FG and 35% 3PT for the series, the problem isn't the defense.


Yes and No. Feel like had we played Cleveland or a Western conference team that can really line up the three ball, defense might have been a bigger issue.

For this series the main problems were we didn't have enough talent nor did we make adjustments after Toronto made theirs in game 4.


Sometimes I wonder if Kidd was still treating this as a developmental thing and having the guys try and work through the adjustments forced upon them.

But really it's just Kidd. Prepares the team well, as we see at the start of the series, but just can't get it done on the day. We easily could have won this series if we make those 3's in game 2 or hit our throws game 6. We had an absolute team of fighters though.
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Re: PG Thread (Raptors - GAME 6) - Bucks blew a 2-1 lead in the first round. 

Post#622 » by VooDoo7 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:29 am

If the owners actually pull their heads out of their butts, and fire Kidd this off-season, I'm throwing a huge party down in the Bahamas and I'm flying every one of you down there to celebrate.

Well, minus Dobber, Dutchman, GFreak34, JimmytheKid and anyone else who hilariously thinks Kidd is a great coach.
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Re: PG Thread (Raptors - GAME 6) - Bucks blew a 2-1 lead in the first round. 

Post#623 » by xTitan » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:57 am

VooDoo7 wrote:If the owners actually pull their heads out of their butts, and fire Kidd this off-season, I'm throwing a huge party down in the Bahamas and I'm flying every one of you down there to celebrate.

Well, minus Dobber, Dutchman, GFreak34, JimmytheKid and anyone else who hilariously thinks Kidd is a great coach.



They aren't going to fire Kidd, they like what he has done developing their 3 best young players, they know X's and O's aren't his strength, that's why they have a coach on offense and a coach on defense....perhaps one or both of those could go
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Re: PG Thread (Raptors - GAME 6) - Bucks blew a 2-1 lead in the first round. 

Post#624 » by Prince12 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:51 am

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awd4cy wrote:Cavs beat Raptors 4-0


The Raptors beat the Cavaliers twice last year stating Luis Scola. I would bet my house that the Raptors will not get swept. The Bucks are a tough team and showed a ton of heart but don't be an idiot. The Raptors have a much better chance of beating the Cavaliers then being swept. Grow up and do not be a poor loser.

Ah no, no they don't. The raptors didn't show me anything to suggest they have a chance of contending for the east and i thought they were a great shot before our series. I expected we would get swept and yet i actually am wondering how we didn't win the series. Good luck and all but you definitely aren't a better chance of winning then getting swept...
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Post#625 » by aboveAverage » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:20 am

I just wanted to say I'm proud of the fight this team showed. Giannis especially is a rising superstar who plays his heart out every night and it's been a joy watching him this year. He will only get better from his mistakes.

This season was one of the most enjoyable bucks seasons in the past 15 years, even with the mid-season slump. Unlike playoff series in the past, this Bucks team isn't a one time thing and isn't going away anytime soon. We're building something real here and I'll be there for it all again next year. With Giannis coming back more experienced, hungrier and better, along with a healthy Middleton, Jabari, Thon, an improved brogdon, we've got a lot to look forward to next season. Go Bucks.
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Post#626 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:26 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:If the owners actually pull their heads out of their butts, and fire Kidd this off-season, I'm throwing a huge party down in the Bahamas and I'm flying every one of you down there to celebrate.

Well, minus Dobber, Dutchman, GFreak34, JimmytheKid and anyone else who hilariously thinks Kidd is a great coach.

are you gonna reverse united twirl to get him down there?
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Post#627 » by sidney lanier » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:09 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:If the owners actually pull their heads out of their butts, and fire Kidd this off-season, I'm throwing a huge party down in the Bahamas and I'm flying every one of you down there to celebrate.

Well, minus Dobber, Dutchman, GFreak34, JimmytheKid and anyone else who hilariously thinks Kidd is a great coach.


Just a heads-up about the Bahamas, since I'm sure I won't be invited: it smells bad, the Bahamians are uppity, and the sports book at Paradise Island is five chairs and three 19-inch TVs. Enjoy.
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PG Thread (Raptors - GAME 6) - Bucks blew a 2-1 lead in the first round. 

Post#628 » by pxp920 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:14 pm

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VooDoo7 wrote:If the owners actually pull their heads out of their butts, and fire Kidd this off-season, I'm throwing a huge party down in the Bahamas and I'm flying every one of you down there to celebrate.

Well, minus Dobber, Dutchman, GFreak34, JimmytheKid and anyone else who hilariously thinks Kidd is a great coach.


Just a heads-up about the Bahamas, since I'm sure I won't be invited: it smells bad, the Bahamians are uppity, and the sports book at Paradise Island is five chairs and three 19-inch TVs. Enjoy.


Yeah but it's also the home of the world famous celebrity hotspot, Fyre Festival. Beat that if you can


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Post#629 » by sidney lanier » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:59 pm

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sidney lanier wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:If the owners actually pull their heads out of their butts, and fire Kidd this off-season, I'm throwing a huge party down in the Bahamas and I'm flying every one of you down there to celebrate.

Well, minus Dobber, Dutchman, GFreak34, JimmytheKid and anyone else who hilariously thinks Kidd is a great coach.


Just a heads-up about the Bahamas, since I'm sure I won't be invited: it smells bad, the Bahamians are uppity, and the sports book at Paradise Island is five chairs and three 19-inch TVs. Enjoy.


Yeah but it's also the home of the world famous celebrity hotspot, Fyre Festival. Beat that if you can


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You got me there.

The team was overwhelmed. The airport was jam packed. The buses couldn’t handle the load. And the wind from rough weather took down half of the tents on the morning our guests were scheduled to arrive. This is an unacceptable guest experience and the Fyre team takes full responsibility for the issues that occurred.
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Post#630 » by awd4cy » Sat May 6, 2017 4:38 am

dkb33 wrote:
awd4cy wrote:Cavs beat Raptors 4-0


The Raptors beat the Cavaliers twice last year stating Luis Scola. I would bet my house that the Raptors will not get swept. The Bucks are a tough team and showed a ton of heart but don't be an idiot. The Raptors have a much better chance of beating the Cavaliers then being swept. Grow up and do not be a poor loser.

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Post#631 » by bigbucksfan1234 » Sat May 6, 2017 4:54 am

awd4cy wrote:
dkb33 wrote:
awd4cy wrote:Cavs beat Raptors 4-0


The Raptors beat the Cavaliers twice last year stating Luis Scola. I would bet my house that the Raptors will not get swept. The Bucks are a tough team and showed a ton of heart but don't be an idiot. The Raptors have a much better chance of beating the Cavaliers then being swept. Grow up and do not be a poor loser.

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Lmfao hope he didn't bet his house.
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Post#632 » by HKPackFan » Mon May 8, 2017 7:33 am

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pxp920 wrote:
sidney lanier wrote:
Just a heads-up about the Bahamas, since I'm sure I won't be invited: it smells bad, the Bahamians are uppity, and the sports book at Paradise Island is five chairs and three 19-inch TVs. Enjoy.


Yeah but it's also the home of the world famous celebrity hotspot, Fyre Festival. Beat that if you can


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You got me there.

The team was overwhelmed. The airport was jam packed. The buses couldn’t handle the load. And the wind from rough weather took down half of the tents on the morning our guests were scheduled to arrive. This is an unacceptable guest experience and the Fyre team takes full responsibility for the issues that occurred.




Freeport sucks but Atlantis is fun. I cant remember which side of the Bahamas I went to a long time ago.... Nassau or Freeport. I think it was Freeport and it was horrible. But we've gone to Atlantis a couple times and it's a blast.

Voodoo if there is a banana boat count me in.
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Post#633 » by sidney lanier » Mon May 8, 2017 3:12 pm

HKPackFan wrote:

Freeport sucks but Atlantis is fun. I cant remember which side of the Bahamas I went to a long time ago.... Nassau or Freeport. I think it was Freeport and it was horrible. But we've gone to Atlantis a couple times and it's a blast.

Voodoo if there is a banana boat count me in.


I do have to admit I enjoyed ogling the yachts harbored at Atlantis when I was there. At around a million bucks a foot, they look like nice ways to sail the ocean blue.

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Post#634 » by John Murdoch » Tue May 9, 2017 1:46 pm

U guys are like another wing scorer away
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Post#635 » by chonestown » Tue May 9, 2017 2:19 pm

John Murdoch wrote:U guys are like another wing scorer away


hmmm wonder if theres anyone ont eh roster who cd fill the lane on the break and work the midrange ees a puzzle
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Post#636 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue May 9, 2017 2:34 pm

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VooDoo7 wrote:If the owners actually pull their heads out of their butts, and fire Kidd this off-season, I'm throwing a huge party down in the Bahamas and I'm flying every one of you down there to celebrate.

Well, minus Dobber, Dutchman, GFreak34, JimmytheKid and anyone else who hilariously thinks Kidd is a great coach.



They aren't going to fire Kidd, they like what he has done developing their 3 best young players, they know X's and O's aren't his strength, that's why they have a coach on offense and a coach on defense....perhaps one or both of those could go


then I'm kinda with the owners. I'm ok with kidd in this developmental role and I think the players like him too.... ultimate team dad and really steady emotionally. that's good. I also think hes going to get better and better the more time hes at it.

a higher profile guy like some of these teams are going with like a svg or like what skiles brought isn't worth the slightly better short term result for the personality at this stage of the ballgame. I think its important that we talk about the coach but we need to be careful about overprioritizing their importance. I think its REALLY important we don't go get a yeller until the guys are older and have won a little more.

we do need a new look with the assts tho. I'm convinced of that. I don't like our sets on either side of the ball to the degree that we run them. we play the trapping defense waay to much and we don't run an offense that prioritizes taking 3 pt shots when its there despite our ability to shoot that shot with a pretty good efficiency all the way around the horn. we need to take the ball out of middletons and Giannis hands so much in iso and get it back to the gaurds to get the ball moving.

some adjustments and some fresh blood with the staff is a good idea..... perhaps better than a total new look from top to bottom.
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Post#637 » by Ron Swanson » Tue May 9, 2017 2:47 pm

We ended the year 26th in pace and 21st in 3PT attempt rate. Are those rankings promising for one of the youngest, most athletic teams with a superstar who is at his best when we get out and run in transition? Our offense grinds down to a snail's pace when Middleton handles the ball.

Fix the offense first.
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Post#638 » by crkone » Tue May 9, 2017 2:56 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:We ended the year 26th in pace and 21st in 3PT attempt rate. Are those rankings promising for one of the youngest, most athletic teams with a superstar who is at his best when we get out and run in transition? Our offense grinds down to a snail's pace when Middleton handles the ball.

Fix the offense first.


They were also 13th in offensive efficiency and 19th in defensive efficiency.

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Post#639 » by sidney lanier » Tue May 9, 2017 3:03 pm

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a higher profile guy like some of these teams are going with like a svg or like what skiles brought isn't worth the slightly better short term result for the personality at this stage of the ballgame. I think its important that we talk about the coach but we need to be careful about overprioritizing their importance. I think its REALLY important we don't go get a yeller until the guys are older and have won a little more.

I think you're right. I would go further and even dispute the notion that the high-profile guy produces better results of any kind, slight or not. Just look around the league and show me evidence that a Carlisle or S. Van Gundy moves the needle at all.

Many here seem to be stuck on a coaching paradigm they're transferring over from high school ball or have idealized in other ways. Thrusting a Hoosiers Gene Hackman type or a Lombardi-style martinet into an NBA coaching position gets you nothing, or less than nothing. The NBA is a player-controlled league with a free-flowing, improvisational game. As for planned offense, there are three or four variations on setting picks and what happens next, and that's about it. More high-falutin schemes, such as the triangle, are illusions (as SVG himself once said, the triangle is pass the ball a couple of times and make sure it ends up in Jordan's hands).

So as a few vocal contributors here continue to believe in the magic of the scribbled clipboard as a way to sublimate their frustrations with the limitations of the current-edition Bucks, remember that there is no magic construct on either offense or defense that turns a bad shooter into a good one or a bad defender into a stopper. The best you can hope for from a coach is a supportive enabler who gets players to play their best. It would be a shame to lose that just because we're Kidding ourselves that what we need is a great tactician.
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Post#640 » by Ron Swanson » Tue May 9, 2017 3:06 pm

crkone wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:We ended the year 26th in pace and 21st in 3PT attempt rate. Are those rankings promising for one of the youngest, most athletic teams with a superstar who is at his best when we get out and run in transition? Our offense grinds down to a snail's pace when Middleton handles the ball.

Fix the offense first.


They were also 13th in offensive efficiency and 19th in defensive efficiency.


We've been a good offensive efficiency team because we've led the league in points in the paint the last two years. That doesn't necessarily mean we've had a good offense under Kidd's tenure.

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