Mo's Comparative Value

[Max Green]

1. Ellis
2. Gordon
3. Mo
4. Terry
5. Barbosa
5. Foye

[midranger]

Ellis
Mo
Foye
Barbosa
Gordon
Terry

[Wise1]

1. Ellis
2. Gordon
3. Mo
4. Barbosa
5. Terry
6. Foye

[midranger]

Why does everyone like Gordon so much?

He's a streakier version of Redd who doesn't really get to the line. No PG ability what so ever.

[midranger]

Also, I'm thinking that Foye has a big year next year.

[El Duderino]

Also, I'm thinking that Foye has a big year next year.

Just like you don't get the love for Gordon, i don't get the love for Foye.

Given i don't know what Gordon/Ellis will be getting paid and Foye is on a rookie deal, i'll just rank them as how i view them as players.

Ellis
Barbosa
Mo
Gordon
Foye
Terry

[BucksRuleAll22]

Mo is better then Foye and Terry. Though I would of taken a younger Terry over Mo anyday.

[NotYoAvgNBAFan]

Dead ass last on this list.

I like everyone of those guards you got more then I do Mo Williams.

Especially after his "I don't worry about losing, I am gonna be happy
and just play basketball" comments.

A point guard who is satisfied with losing and does not hurt after playing like crap?

Hell, what good are you then!? Why are you here? Get the hell out of here then!

That is just the opposite of Coach Scott Skiles and how he played and his Bulls played.

How can you then lead others at PG with an horsecrap losing attitude like that? He is useless to me now.

I would take any player on that list over him. Especially L. Barbosa and Randy Foye. Monta Ellis is perfect in that system at Golden State. And he is what he is.

Gordon and Terry are ok...but can't defend and dont even work at it to the satisfaction of Skiles.

But the others gives you so much more on every night (Barbosa, Ellis and Foye) you can hide or overlook what they might not bring on defense.

Mo is a guy who is best coming off the bench as a 6th man like Terry does and Gordon, and playing with that second group!

That is the role he was in when we had TJ and what best suits him.

He cannot run an NBA team! Let me preface that, he can't a WINNING NBA team. Nor can he stay healthy all year and get them to the playoffs and make

He is a sixth man, second unit guy who can kill you on any given night if he has everything going who can't play a full 40-48 minute, 82 game grind of winning basketball on the NBA level!

He left college too early and got in the rut of doing what would make an NBA roster (shooting/scoring) and never worked on the other parts of his game and the nuances of being a point guard.

That is why Jerry Sloan got rid of him, and surely he is better then Ronny Price, Dee Brown, and Howard Eisley who Sloan chose ahead of him plus many others?

No, I guess now because they are in the playoffs and we are not!

[Rockmaninoff]

As a ranking of players, just from a skills and talent standpoint, no age or contracts:

1. Ellis
2. Williams
3. Gordan
4. Barbosa
5. Terry
6. Foye

Ellis is the only one out of that group that should be a starter.

If we factor in salary and age, Barbosa will be the best deal (excluding Foye who is on a rookie contract, and with the knowledge that Ellis and Gordan will likely be overpaid).

[PaBuck]

1. Ellis
2. Barbosa
3. Foye
4. Gordon
5. Mo
6. Terry

Terry's contract is the only reason keeping Mo out of last place. Ellis is the
only one who can start at point. Give Foye a year or 2 and he moves up
this list.

[LUKE23]

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Contract, at least the possibility that he might play D, and Mo's status as a complete assneck.

Again, I think that Minnesota laughs at us if we propose a Mo for Foye swap.

I don't agree with this. Mo is a better scorer, a more efficient scorer, and a better passer than Foye. Foye has a better contract, and if he is a better defender, it is not by a significant amount. As a Bucks fan, I would not trade Mo for Foye.

Contract is really the only thing Foye has on Mo.

[ReasonablySober]

1. Ellis
2. Barbosa
3. Foye
4. Gordon
5. Mo
6. Terry

Terry's contract is the only reason keeping Mo out of last place. Ellis is the
only one who can start at point. Give Foye a year or 2 and he moves up
this list.

Huh?

[xTitan]

I guess I don't like anyone on this list...undersized 2 guards who can't defend don't do alot for me..If forced to vote I would put Barbosa and Gordon at the top list because they are all 6th man types on contending teams and those 2 have accepted that role in the past.

[europa]

1. Ellis
2. Gordon
3. Mo
4. Terry
5. Barbosa
6. Foye

[Balls2TheWalls]

1. Ellis
2. Gordon
3. Barbosa
4. Mo
5. Terry
6. Foye

[LUKE23]

1. Ellis
2. Gordon
3. Mo
4. Terry
5. Barbosa
6. Foye

I'd probably put Barbosa over Terry, otherwise I agree.

[wichmae]

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I don't agree with this. Mo is a better scorer, a more efficient scorer, and a better passer than Foye. Foye has a better contract, and if he is a better defender, it is not by a significant amount. As a Bucks fan, I would not trade Mo for Foye.

Contract is really the only thing Foye has on Mo.

Glad your not the GM.

[europa]

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I'd probably put Barbosa over Terry, otherwise I agree.

I went back and forth on them. If contracts were a factor I'd definitely take Barbosa over Terry. I'd take him over Mo too. Barbosa's contract is much better than Mo's.

I just think Terry has proven himself more as a big-game player. Barbosa has too many games where he's completely invisible on the court and contributing nothing of substance. So I'd give Terry a slight edge.

[LUKE23]

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Glad your not the GM.

First of all, if you're going to insult someone, use proper English.

Second of all, if you're going to try and make a point, actually back it up with something other than one-line garbage such as above.

Mo is a better scorer and creator than Foye and he does it more efficienty (48% FG to 42.9% FG). If Foye was a lockdown defender you might have a point, but he is not, so it doesn't make up for the lack of game in other areas.

Foye was at 13.3/3.3/4.2 on 42.9% shooting in 32:17
Mo was at 17.2/3.5/6.4 on 48% shooting in 36:30

Also keep in mind that Foye is only one year younger than Mo is, so age does not come into the equation.

I think people have this great love affair with Foye because Minny traded Roy for him, so he must be that good.

[wichmae]

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First of all, if you're going to insult someone, use proper English.

Second of all, if you're going to try and make a point, actually back it up with something other than one-line garbage such as above.

Mo is a better scorer and creator than Foye and he does it more efficienty (48% FG to 42.9% FG). If Foye was a lockdown defender you might have a point, but he is not, so it doesn't make up for the lack of game in other areas.

Foye was at 13.3/3.3/4.2 on 42.9% shooting in 32:17
Mo was at 17.2/3.5/6.4 on 48% shooting in 36:30

Also keep in mind that Foye is only one year younger than Mo is, so age does not come into the equation.

I think people have this great love affair with Foye because Minny traded Roy for him, so he must be that good.

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forget it I'm not going to ruin this thread for a meaningless argument with you...