El Duderino wrote:Anyone who denys that Mo Williams took bad shots,too many bad shots for a PG was obviously watching stats & box scores more than actually watching the games..
I watch games and look at stats so that i don't let pre-conceived biases like you have get in the way of being objective.
This how the stats lie to you or decieve you if you just pay attention to them and not take into account what actually happens on the court over the course of the game and the course of the entire season.
Stats can't lie because they are facts, perceptions on the other hand are easily subjected to biases, kinda like the ones you have had against Mo and for Bogut. You don't like Mo so you let your biases see what you want to see and has allowed you to make up one excuse after another for Boguts nights of cashing it in over the years.
Mo is a streaky shooter that takes bad shots on a nightly bases but gets bailed out sometimes because on some nights he can hit what would be considered bad shots,
This is hilarious and shows just how you have zero objectivity when it comes to Mo. Zero. He took 920 shots last year and you want me to believe luck "bailed him out" over all those shots taken. Unless you think he's the luckiest man walking this earth, your luck theory is pure nonsense.
Anytime you are dealing with streaky shooters FG% can (obviously) be very decieving,thats common sense because streak shooters can be ice cold half the time and red hot half time.
quick example and I'll keep the math simple,If a streak shooter shoots 14-20 one night and the next night he shoots terrible and goes 11-30 he still at the end of the day shoots 50% overall.
Hmmmm, so Mo is some rare NBA player that his very hot some nights and cold in others? Well, it took me about two minutes to see that last season in only 14 games did Mo have a terrible shooting night by shooting under 40% from the field. In 14 games he shot above 55% which i'd consider very hot that night. In the other 38 games, he shot between 40-55 percent from the field. Sorry rilamann, i'll stick to the facts over your obviously wrong perceptions about how "streaky" Mo was. BTW, Bogut had 17 games where he shot under 40%.
Now because he shoots 50% overall does that mean he shoots 50% everynight? No sometimes hes hot and some nights hes cold but to people who dont watch the games and just look at that 50% from the field arent seeing the whole picture.
Since nobody in the NBA shoots 50% from the field every night and everyone in the league has hot/cold nights mixed in with more normal shooting nights just like Mo did, i'm not sure what your point is beyond trying to hold Mo to a standard no other player in the league is?
Plus if you watched the Bucks last season you'd know Mo was the best garbage time player in the league,how many times did he start draining jumpers in 4th atr when we where down 20.
Oh please. The Bucks got their ass kicked all the time, so all the players got points in garbage time. Given your other assumption about Mo being abnormally streaky was not surprisingly shown to have zero merit, i'm not buying any more of your assumptions you say were true unless you have actual numbers to show that Mo scored more in 4th quarters compared to other Bucks players.
My whole pont here is that I think its a joke someone will try to point to Mo's 48% from the field and say based on that he didnt take any bad shots and then someone who agrees brings up ''common sense''.
When did i say Mo NEVER took bad shots? Obviously Mo took some bad shots last year, everyone on the team and in the NBA takes their share of bad shots over a long schedule. I've also said he's a bad defender and wasn't born with really good natural PG instincts. All i'm pointing out is the nonsense some here believe that Mo was so often jacking up dumb shots when it simply isn't the case and the facts support it vs biased perceptions. Mo took 920 shots last year and if even close to as many were bad shots like you choose to believe, he simply wouldn't have made 48% of them, we aren't talking a small sample size here.
Oh well, talking to you is like trying to reason with someone that say just hates Bogut as a player. All objectivity goes out the window and even facts are ignored, perceptions trump all even if there is nothing to back up the assumptions with.
Wow all I basically say is that Mo's FG % of 48% is devieving if your using that to say he didnt take any bad shots and you make it out like I wanna kill the guy.
Way to exagerate things Dude,I would have thought your defense mechanism for Mo would have let up a bit now that he's a Cav,guess I was wrong.
I agree that ''Techcially'' you didnt say that Mo didnt take bad shots (based on FG%) but DB did and you agreed with that post.I rebut that by simply saying you cant say he didnt take bad shots just based on FG% and you interpet that as I hate the guy,wow.
I've actually been very objective when it comes to Mo at least offensvly.I've said many times he's a very solid scorer and that he could run away with the 6th man of the year award if used as a scoring spark off the bench.
I think your the biased one,I say one thing critical about Mo and your Mo Williams defensive mechanism goes spinning out of control.
My problem with him as a PG offensivly was that he consistiently took/forced too many bad shots at the expense of higher % shots for his teammates and you can't have your PG doing that if you want to win games.Had Mo been the 6th man or the SG I would have had less of a problem with his shots and shot selection.
I sort of want to rebut your post but I dont know where to begin because you flip out and exagerate about how I supposeldy hate Mo lol,its kind of like your trying to make your point but also exagerate and make it look like I wanna kill Mo and that im not objective when it comes to Bogut which isnt true.
So is John Hammond biased and not objective agianst Mo becAUse he traded him away?
Its like no matter what I rebut with your response will be ''YOUR SO BIASED AGINST MO YOU HATE MO''.
I can't belive I even got baited into arguing this,Mo is gone he's not even a Buck and its like the guy never left with some of you people.
And dont try and twist it up and say I brought him up,my intial post in this thread was agreeing with Luke Pilska (On Sessions being great for a guy who's carrer doesnt yet span 30 games) and a rebut to DBs post about Sessions & Mo being similar which I disagreed with because Sessions has better balance of pass/shoot and doesnt take as many bad shots as MOand is a better play maker than Mo.
To which DB disagreed with (about the bad shots) and pointed to Mo's FG%.
Then I stated why the FG% is decieving if your using that to argue Mo didnt take bad shots.
Then like usual you made it a ''OMG OMG RILAMANN IS BIASED AGINST AND HATES MO AND LOVES BOGUT''.
Its just funny because I hardly even bring up Bogut (no more than anyone else on the Bucks and not as much as the pro Mo guys) and i've been more than objective with Mo offensvly.
And to add to the ''you cant just look at numbers'' party im throwing,and this is a rebut to DB's point that Sessions is shooting the same number of shots as Mo.You cant look at FG attempts right now and say that if you've been critical of Mo you have to be critical of Sessions based on number of shot attempts.
Maybe in March or April you can look at that but Redd's been on the bench so Sessions shot attempts are likley up (as well as Luke's) to pick up the slack for our leading scorer being out.
Ever consider that DB? Overlooking that fact makes you seem biased aginst Sessions.Sessions has played in 7 games thus far and 5 of those have been without leading scorer Redd on the court.
The fact Sessions has only played 7 games this season makes it weak to try and say ''look Sessions is shooting as much as Mo,if if you where critical of Mo you better be critical of Sessions now''.But that fact Redd our leading scorer has been out makes it downright foolish to use shot attempts as a reason to be critical of Sessions.
Now if Redd comes back and we are in March or April and Sessions is still in the top 2 or 3 on the team in shot attemps you might have more of an argument.But not 9 games into the season when our leading scorer has been out the last 5 games,right now thats a very weak argument.
.. i dont think mos is pass first , tradtional pg , but to the degree of him hijacking the offense is insanely overrated on this forum ...
