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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#41 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:01 am

fam3381 wrote:Why would anyone want one of the OKC PFs over Landry?


I like Landry better than any of those guys as well.

The thing with Landry is that he scores off the charts in both PER and using the Winscore metrics. This will be another great test of the Winscore metric, because the Bucks are clearly adding a guy who according to the formulas should really help this team.

For reference, his PER right now is 18.5 and was 21 last season. Here's a Hollinger excerpt:

2007-08 season: I get asked a lot of questions about PER, and last year most of them involved Landry. He had the highest PER among rookies and for much of the end of last season was ahead of players like Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki. Which of course, led to emails and messages saying, "I can't believe you think Carl Landry is better than Tim Duncan."

Of course he isn't better. The disconnect here is that PER can only measure how somebody played, not how somebody is. If that's too abstract, an example from another sport might help. Let's say you had a baseball player, a utility infielder, who hit .375 in 150 at-bats. Would you conclude he was having a fantastic year? Of course you would. But would you conclude he was a better hitter than Ichiro because he had a higher batting average? Of course not.

That's kind of what happened with Landry. He didn't play a lot minutes (709), but saw just enough to clear the threshold for the PER leaderboard. And in those minutes, he played fantastic, amazingly well, which is what PER caught on to.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. He was a second-round draft pick who didn't exactly blow up in his four years at Purdue, so his season was almost certainly an outlier.

Best shooting percentage on inside shots, 2007-08

Player Team FG FGA Pct.
Carl Landry Hou 117 181 64.6
Andrew Bynum LAL 189 294 64.3
Erick Dampier Dal 178 277 64.3
Fabricio Oberto SA 170 270 63.0
Jamario Moon Tor 153 244 62.7
Min. 100 shots. Source: NBA.com/hotspots

And what an outlier it was. Landry lead the league in shooting percentage on inside shots at 64.6 percent, and converted an even higher rate (69.6 percent) in the immediate basket area. Not only that but he had the lowest turnover ratio of any power forward, so he was insanely efficient with the possessions he used. Throw in the fact that he was second at his position in offensive rebound rate, and it's easy to see why his PER was so high.

But let's not take that any further just yet. We can say that for 709 minutes Landry played great, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a great player.

Scouting report: Landry's stellar stats obscure the real reason the Rockets liked him so much -- he's a tough-as-nails interior defender. He moves his feet on defense and is capable of picking up guards on switches, and he has the size to guard power forwards on the block and help out on the glass. Though he's a bit short for center, he can fill in there as well.

Offensively, he's mostly a below-the-rim finisher, but was very effective converting around the basket last season. He doesn't have a perimeter game and isn't a low-post scorer, and one has to expect some regression to the mean in his shooting percentage.......

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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#42 » by Bernman » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:02 am

Here's the video of him talking about being a Bucks' fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDYUgL5szGY

And a highlight video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfo8YPgEltw

If he gets the ball around the basket it's all over. The Landry's have mad explosiveness. I guess a positive side effect of this is increasing attendance at the BC. You know there will be around 30 Landry's at every game. Plus the local kid returns home should have at least a modicum of appeal.
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#43 » by BDUB_30 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:02 am

it should also be said , in the context of this trade . That Cv is officialy whining about his minutes now .." 30 minutes one night , 20 the next " ...Im sure some wouldnt call that whining , but its very similiar to what he was saying last year and then came out at the end of the year and clearly said he was upset .



As for the deal , who we get back other then landry the " filler " is very important to me ..If were talking about barry then hell yeah .. i dont have any problems with Head , as wicheme will soon find out . :lol:


i like the point fam made , that this is a good deal for us finacialy in terms of escaping the possibility of losing cv for nothing if an offer comes his way we dont want to match .


if for any reason were dealing with oaklahoma and we take on collisions deal and give up cv /lue to do that ...i will be very mad ...even wilcox imo is a bad trade for the bucks ...i think the bucks know that and obviously prefer landry but are playing it tough keeping oaklahoma in the mix as leverage .
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#44 » by Nebula1 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:02 am

I'd much rather have Head than Barry. I hope we get him in this deal.
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#45 » by xTitan » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:03 am

CV is a year [b]younger than Landry. He's also averaging 4.1ppg, 1.6rpg more than Landry is in 2 minutes more.

Not very comparable to me.

Adding Landry for two years is nice, but fact of the matter is - he's a backup PF who is another "RJ" type. He can do everything decent, but excels in nothing and likely never will. We're trading basically our starting PF (nobody expected LRMAM to be LRMAM) and a PG who has fit in well in his time here in Lue for a guy who's a career backup.

He's not a good defender, he's decent, he's not a good low post force, he's decent. I'd much rather have LRMAM be our defense specialist and CV be our scoring specialist at the PF than having a defensive specialist and an all around guy, but I guess that's where views of team concepts come in.RayRayJones
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Wow, I thought Landry's numbers would be much worse than CV's, so I don't feel nearly as bad....Landry is a MUCH better defender than CV and I believe a better rebounder, CV struggles against physical atheltes....I agree with you on LUC but I also know the Bucks are extremely concerned about him getting burned out as the year wears on and would like to limit his minutes some. I am guessing Allen will be able to suck up the offense that CV left behind.
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#46 » by RayRayJones » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:03 am

Landry also plays on a team that spreads the floor very well. When you have T-Mac and Yao, you're going to get a lot of easy dunks. I looked awhile ago but I think his numbers last year (2007-08) were something like 40% of his FGM were dunks, so sure you shoot a high %. He's not going to have that advantage here in Milwaukee with Bogut who isn't a jump shooter to really draw big men out of the post, although I can see the advantage when you factor Bogut into the high post role.

I'm not sold on it and I doubt I will. It's a huge downgrade IMO.
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#47 » by Stopshere2 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:04 am

eagle13 wrote:IS this what Bogut was blogging about? Guess he figured we'd like hometown boy? Does this mean Drew is glad to be rid of CV?


It appeared to me that CV regularly frustrated Bogut on the court like when he was pushing him out to his assignments and barking at him. And it's guaranteed CV frustrated Skiles with his slinky softness.
I haven't seen much of Landry but he sure looks like a beefy banger that Skiles would covet. 13 blocks in 71 games isn't exactly want we need next to Bogut but, as a second rounder, Carl is automatically going to become legendary with the BUcks :)
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#48 » by trwi7 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:08 am

Nebula1 wrote:I'd much rather have Head than Barry. I hope we get him in this deal.


Me too. And not because of all the dirty puns I could use, I like Head better.
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Post#49 » by SupremeHustle » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:09 am

I'm pretty much with RayRayJones on this one. The Bucks need more talent, not less. So what do they do? Downgrade.

Yippee.
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#50 » by emunney » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:10 am

On PP's Hollinger post, looks like Landry's interior shooting from last season wasn't an outlier at all, as he's putting up even better numbers this year in that regard. He's just taking more jumpshots (and hitting 3% less of those he takes).
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#51 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:10 am

Which one of you guys is going to get a "ClutchCity" account and break the news to Rockets nation? On that board, they'll have a 10 page thread by midnight once they get the news.

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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#52 » by REDDzone » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:11 am

Titan, CV is the better rebounder.

But it will be nice to have some efficient scoring out of a forward for a change.
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#53 » by Chuck Diesel » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:11 am

Carl Landry was just sent this text-

Better get a mansion...somewhere up in WisCANsin
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Post#54 » by trwi7 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:13 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Carl Landry was just sent this text-

Better get a mansion...somewhere up in WisCANsin


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Post#55 » by Nebula1 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:13 am

Barry is the kind of guy who is too old to go to a team like the Bucks and would complain. He'd probably start shooting as well as Steve Blake. Let's hope for Head. He'll have a nice chance to renew his career since it's been slipping.

Still, Damon Jones isn't going to want to play in Milwaukee. I hope there's another small deal coming (involving additional PF support).
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Post#56 » by trwi7 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:14 am

Rockets fans have posted the Woelfel link. 10 responses, only one person likes the deal for the Rockets.
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Post#57 » by wichmae » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:14 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Which one of you guys is going to get a "ClutchCity" account and break the news to Rockets nation? On that board, they'll have a 10 page thread by midnight once they get the news.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/forumdisplay.php?f=9

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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#58 » by trwi7 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:15 am

Nebula1 wrote:He'd probably start shooting as well as Steve Blake.


Nah worse. He's shooting about as well as Blake did for us than he is for the Rockets right now.
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Re: CV,Lue may be traded for Landry and Filler 

Post#59 » by eagle13 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:17 am

trwi7 wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:I'd much rather have Head than Barry. I hope we get him in this deal.


Me too. And not because of all the dirty puns I could use, I like Head better.


Me three. Barry is done. Head becomes #3PG when DJ gets traded.
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Post#60 » by eagle13 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:18 am

Rather have Collison than Landry.

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