47% / 37% / 77%

[midranger]

If you play serious fantasy basketball, you may know these marks as targets for FG%, 3pt%, and FT% respectively. If you hit those standards, for the most part you can expect to be in the mix for those categories.

Why do I bring this up? Well, after a (very) slow shooting start to the season, CV has been raising his FG% rapidly. He's now averaging...

FG - 46.0%
3pt - 37.9%
FT - 86.5%

...on the year.

Compare those percentages to a certain "elite scorer" and "pure shooter" on this team making 17 million dollars per year...

FG - 45.5%
3pt - 36.7%
FT - 81.4%

The point is, we need to be looking at CV as an efficient and versatile offensive weapon. He's every bit the scorer Redd is. If we can lock him up at a fair or below market deal, we have to do it. The only thing we can't do is overpay him by 6 million dollars per year like we did with Redd.

[BDUB_30]

its a gamble without a doubt .


youre talking about " locking " up a guy based on , by your own admission , one month of quality play .


This is short term thinking , what happens when we " lock up cv " and he plays basically how hes played for us for the vast majority of his tenure( thats not even debatable )? . Even at 6 millon dollars per we can not afford more players who pick and choose when they feel like performing .


Ive said it before , im saying it again .. Resigning Charlie V even at 6 mil is a gamble this orginization can not afford . Given the history of cv and whats hes given this team since hes been here , it is , without a doubt a gamble . We need sure things , we need safe bets , we dont need to be desperate .


We resign this guy even at 6 mil , mark my words he will at some point go into his little mental shell and just flat out stop performing , even if its for a month its to costly to this franchise . It amazes me that people havent learned from the past .. Guys coming out in contract years and playing hard and focused , trying to get that deal ...


You guys are trully some suckers .

[paulpressey25]

Resigning Charlie V even at 6 mil is a gamble this orginization can not afford .

The only reason this organization can't afford the gamble of Charlie V. at $6mm a year is because we've set ourselves up to pay Redd and RJ a combined $32 million next season and $33.5 million the season after.

Imagine if the 2001-2008 Pistons had RJ and Redd on their team. Do the math. You'd be looking at a squad of Redd, RJ, Maxiel, Stuckey and Amir Johnson. Forget Sheed, Big-Ben, Chauncey, Rip and Tayshaun at their numbers. They couldn't afford them.

[JimmyTheKid]

"youre talking about " locking " up a guy based on , by your own admission , one month of quality play."

Its no coincidence Charlie V has been playing great BBall since Sessions has gotten consistent playing time. They feed off each other quite nicely.

[ReasonablySober]

Under or over paying is the key, here.

I think most of us (all of us?) come down too low with regards as to how much a guy like CV is worth monetarily. We let our biasses get in the way. Until a couple months ago CV has never been what we would consider a franchise cornerstone. Some people here still don't. We know that he's been wildly inconsistent and doesn't play good defense. He's had a rep as someone that's mostly indifferent on the court. Our GMs have tried to replace him since he got here. We also have the memory of Tim Thomas engrained into our heads.

So no matter what CV does, it's tough to wrap our heads around the idea that he may just be as good as what he's shown. But he might just be someone that can and should command eight figures. If he remains a guy that scores 20+ on solid percentages, dishes out a couple assists and pulls down 8-9 rebounds, he's going to be sitting in some pretty good company.

I've never been a huge Hollinger guy, but look at the PER of some of these PFs

Tim Duncan - 24.92
Carlos Boozer - 24.61
Dirk Nowitzki - 23.24
Chris Bosh - 22.44
Pau Gasol - 22.29
Kevin Garnett - 21.46
Antawn Jamison - 20.73
Charlie Villanueva - 20.70
Zach Randolph - 20.18
Amare Stoudemire - 20.16
Paul Millsap - 19.76
LaMarcus Aldridge - 19.00
David Lee - 18.76
David West - 18.40

That's are despite a slow start, too.

The point is there aren't a lot of guys on that list making less than $7 million. The players in CV's company are either making eight figures, or they stand to once their rookie deals are done.

Now, the one thing that may be working in our favor, as most of us know, is the market. Not a lot of teams will be players in free agency this summer. Those that are may not view CV as an ideal target. It's possible that he accepts a deal around $7-8 mil. It's also possible he accepts the one year QO and moves on in '10. We'll see.

But in the coming months we may all have to accept that CV is a guy you have to pay big money too.

[JoeHova]

To be fair to Redd, he's got a pretty nice edge in career numbers:

Redd: 45.2/38.6/84.3
CV: 45.5/33.1/79.0

If CV can keep up this kind of 3 point and FT shooting, there is no question he's very valuable. If he dips back down to around 30% from 3, he's less valuable. That's the only thing that concerns me a little, even (I hesitate to utter his name) Antoine Walker had a couple years where he shot a good percentage. CV is playing better than Toine ever did, but you get my point. I hope his recent shooting is improvement and not just random fluctuation.

[paulpressey25]

Those PER numbers for power forwards are interesting. The NBA world has been fawning over LaMarcus Aldridge here the last year. Great building block, yada, yada, yada.

If CV keeps this up, is CV the equal to Aldridge as a building block?

[Max Green]

Come back to me when CV averages those number for atleast 1 season. This board has a very bad habit of averaging half a season at best numbers some puts up against guys who averages those numbers for a Career.

[WEFFPIM]

$1.

Oh, thought we were playing The Price Is Right

[Nebula1]

While letting Villanueva walk may hurt, it's a really good chance (with a combination in a trade) for the Bucks to put themselves in substantially better position financially.

I'm thinking the Bucks should trade him and get a 1st round pick back.

[emunney]

CV and Gadz for Nick Collison, DJ White and the Thunders picks from the Nuggets and Spurs? I'm trying to be pragmatic about this with the idea that we might not keep CV no matter what. A lot of us liked White last year, and he's been out with non-basketball related surgeries (jaw tumor). We replace Gadz's salary slot with a productive player and pick up cheap depth. Use the picks on Tyler Smith and Nick Calathes.

[paulpressey25]

CV and Gadz for Nick Collison, DJ White and the Thunders picks from the Nuggets and Spurs? .

Six-weeks ago I think that deal would have gone over here. Now we are greedy. Who wants to break up the budding Stockton (Ramon) and Malone (CV) tandem that is emerging.....

[Nebula1]

CV and Gadz for Nick Collison, DJ White and the Thunders picks from the Nuggets and Spurs? .

Six-weeks ago I think that deal would have gone over here. Now we are greedy. Who wants to break up the budding Stockton (Ramon) and Malone (CV) tandem that is emerging.....

Would Ramon be better with Boozer?

[emunney]

I don't want to break them up, they work great together. Just trying to think of an amicable result to what might be a foregone conclusion.

[JoeHova]

I never liked White's game that much, but maybe he'll be good. Either way, I'd hope they could get a better deal (in other words, a guy who didn't have to have his face rebuilt using his hip bone) now considering how well CV has been playing. I hope DJ recovers and plays well during his NBA career, but a year off is never great, even if it's not a basketball injury.

[paulpressey25]

Just trying to think of an amicable result to what might be a foregone conclusion.

This will be a great test of how much power Hammond has v. Kohl. If Kohl were calling the shots, I think zero chance CV get's dealt right now. I'd guess it will come down to who brings the best offer in, CV or RJ.

[emunney]

Well, they would be getting three guys who didn't get their face rebuilt with hipbone as well as losing Gadz.

[paul]

What I find interesting is that there's a guy on our team who most are desperate to trade for an expiring or a bag of sand who's putting up 17.5ppg on 43% / 40% / 78% while actually playing some defense. Perception around here is a very interesting thing.

[AussieBuck]

What I find interesting is that there's a guy on our team who most are desperate to trade for an expiring or a bag of sand who's putting up 17.5ppg on 43% / 40% / 78% while actually playing some defense. Perception around here is a very interesting thing.

Nobody wants to pay CV $14 million.

[El Duderino]

What I find interesting is that there's a guy on our team who most are desperate to trade for an expiring or a bag of sand who's putting up 17.5ppg on 43% / 40% / 78% while actually playing some defense. Perception around here is a very interesting thing.

It has nothing to do with perception and all to do with