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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby Dewey on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:20 pm

just principle of needing to give a pick to dump Beas for a quality player
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby moss_is_1 on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:26 pm

Doesn't that utah pick give us the choice to swap 1st rounders before it turns into a 2nd?
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby Krapinsky on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:29 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:Doesn't that utah pick give us the choice to swap 1st rounders before it turns into a 2nd?


Yes if outside the top 9.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby moss_is_1 on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:31 pm

So I guess its not that bad, its looking like utah wont be a better team then us, for awhile anyway. They will be trading al/harris/millsap soon most likely.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby Worm Guts on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:37 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Utah pick isn't worth much. High probability it becomes a second rounder.


It depends what you mean by high probability. I'd put it around 50/50.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby Krapinsky on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:37 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Utah pick isn't worth much. High probability it becomes a second rounder.


It depends what you mean by high probability. I'd put it around 50/50.


I'd say that's a high probability. When you add in a team's desire to tank if it looks like it's going to be close, then it may be higher than that.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby Worm Guts on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:43 pm

The tank factor is sort of offset by the fact that the protection was set so close to the playoffs. I can't see them tanking if they have a shot at the playoffs.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby Krapinsky on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:49 pm

Worm Guts wrote:The tank factor is sort of offset by the fact that the protection was set so close to the playoffs. I can't see them tanking if they have a shot at the playoffs.


10 is a long way from 15. Golden State just went into tank mode and is currently sitting in the 10 spot.

Besides, look at Utah's roster. It's clearly a team that is on the way to rebuilding and hasn't quite bottomed out yet. Jefferson, Harris, and Milsap all expire next year. It's hard for me to imagine them making a playoff push.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby C.lupus on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:49 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Chad Ford doesn't think there's much of a market for Beasley...

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What are the Wolves going to do at the deadline? Hear a lot of talk on MANY teams calling on Beasley.
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I love that story ... "Beasley is a VERY hot topic ..." and "many" teams are interested ... and it's from a Minnesota source. What do you think they're going to say? No one wants the guy. Clearly they want to move him and clearly they're trying to create a market for him. Whether any of this is actually real? I haven't found a team dying to get their hands on Beasley. I think some would take him for the right price ... but teams are lined up to give away assets for him.


Makes sense to me...

I'm fine with that. Beasley isn't a negative on the team. I'd rather keep him and have a $6 million expiring next season than take a crap deal like what's been rumored around here.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby jballer_13 on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:53 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA

Portland's talks with Minnesota on a Jamal Crawford deal are gathering momentum again, sources tell Y! Sports.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby Worm Guts on Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:54 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:The tank factor is sort of offset by the fact that the protection was set so close to the playoffs. I can't see them tanking if they have a shot at the playoffs.


10 is a long way from 15. Golden State just went into tank mode and is currently sitting in the 10 spot.

Besides, look at Utah's roster. It's clearly a team that is on the way to rebuilding and hasn't quite bottomed out yet. Jefferson, Harris, and Milsap all expire next year. It's hard for me to imagine them making a playoff push.


It's top 14 this year, top 12 next year. Right now they pick 13th are two games out of the playoffs. I disagree with you about their direction, they have younger veterans backed up by young high lottery picks. They could easily make the playoffs this year or next year.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby Krapinsky on Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:03 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:The tank factor is sort of offset by the fact that the protection was set so close to the playoffs. I can't see them tanking if they have a shot at the playoffs.


10 is a long way from 15. Golden State just went into tank mode and is currently sitting in the 10 spot.

Besides, look at Utah's roster. It's clearly a team that is on the way to rebuilding and hasn't quite bottomed out yet. Jefferson, Harris, and Milsap all expire next year. It's hard for me to imagine them making a playoff push.


It's top 14 this year, top 12 next year. Right now they pick 13th are two games out of the playoffs. I disagree with you about their direction, they have younger veterans backed up by young high lottery picks. They could easily make the playoffs this year or next year.


Shrug. Depends what you mean by easily. I'd take that bet any day.
In my opinion it's a pick that in all likelihood won't be received this year. (Hollinger puts there playoff odds at 26.3%). After that it's murky. I don't think it's going to be a tipping point in persuading Orlando to make a Reddick for Beasley deal, or a deal for any other worthwhile player. For example, I'd rather have the Lakers 2012 1st than the Utah pick, given it's protections.
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Re: Magic/Wolves trade talks

Postby tranjSAIC on Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:11 am

Scottypax wrote:My initial reaction is no! He's 31 years old on the decline with a moderately bad contract.

I don't care about Beasley. For the magic, he would be a nice expiring contract. Cap space for next season.

Really, I just have mixed feelings about this potential trade. He does shoot a high 3 point percentage. Averages 12 points and 3 rebounds. I only remember him from his Golden State-Phoenix days.
Magic fan here, his game so far on our squad is nothing like it was. He started the year extremely cold, and when he isn't shooting well he isn't doing much else. Lately he has come on for us though, I think his biggest problem is he needs a great passer to give him open looks but since the Magic don't have one he just sucks on our team most nights. Give him a healthy Rubio and I think he would be a great pickup for you guys.

As it stands it looks like this Magic trade isn't happening and your getting Crawford right?
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