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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby cpfsf on Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:49 pm

Not much attention is being given for Ariza. He's paid half what Iguodala makes, he fills an immediate need, and had a good relationship with Adelman in the past (which doesn't hurt if you want him to re-sign). Personally I'm skeptical that Iggy's offensive game warrants the additional 7 million dollars.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Klomp on Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:03 pm

cpfsf wrote:Not much attention is being given for Ariza. He's paid half what Iguodala makes, he fills an immediate need, and had a good relationship with Adelman in the past (which doesn't hurt if you want him to re-sign). Personally I'm skeptical that Iggy's offensive game warrants the additional 7 million dollars.

I've thought about that too. However, I would still consider Ariza a Plan B or C.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby nhh90 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:07 pm

5 for 60 wolves would still have lots of money. Pek should/needs to be signed. The most important 2 positions is the two that the wolves have filled. Getting an average wing (shouldn't be hard) is a must. A center like pekovic is every 5 years. A small forward/shooting guard that scores 12 points is like every player except wesley johnson.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Klomp on Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:04 pm

nhh90 wrote:5 for 60 wolves would still have lots of money. Pek should/needs to be signed. The most important 2 positions is the two that the wolves have filled. Getting an average wing (shouldn't be hard) is a must. A center like pekovic is every 5 years. A small forward/shooting guard that scores 12 points is like every player except wesley johnson.

5 for 60 what?
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby theGreatRC on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:01 pm

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nhh90 wrote:5 for 60 wolves would still have lots of money. Pek should/needs to be signed. The most important 2 positions is the two that the wolves have filled. Getting an average wing (shouldn't be hard) is a must. A center like pekovic is every 5 years. A small forward/shooting guard that scores 12 points is like every player except wesley johnson.

5 for 60 what?


I think he means 5 years 60 mil for Pek
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Klomp on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:21 pm

If thats the case we wouldn't "still have lots of money".

I love Pekovic as much as the next guy, but 12 million/year is too much. He's still too one-dimensional. That one dimension is good, but not worth 12 million.

I'm not even sure I'd pay him the 4 years, 43 million offer that DeAndre Jordan got from Golden State.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Krapinsky on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:25 pm

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The J Rocka wrote:I think Williams can be a decent player in this league, but as far as number two picks go, he won't live up to the expectations IMO. He's not a guy that will turn a franchise around.

Drummond could very well be the DeAndre Jordan of this years draft. Drummond could be a decent starting role player that can put up 10/10 or he could totally flop like Hasheem Thabeet.

I think with Williams, he could turn out to be an Antwan Jamison (solid starter, maybe one ASG, not 2nd pick worthy).

Moral of the story, I'd trade him for a high lottery pick but let us decide who to take.


I think Drummond's ceiling is considerably higher than that. I imagine there's a good reason Drummond is in the mix for the #2 pick in a stacked draft and DeAndre Jordan went in the 2nd round.

In 2008, Jordan was locked to be in the top 5 (was mocked there all season long) and fell dramatically in the draft.

Jordan did have a pretty high ceiling, but I'd give Drummond the higher ceiling than '08 Jordan considering Drummond has managed to stay in the top 2 all season long and has drawn more comparisons to Dwight Howard. He's still incredibly raw and has question marks. Break or bust.

I don't think we can afford the gamble anyways and should look to move Williams for a proven talent. I don't think Kahn and co. would even move Williams to get Beal, but don't quote me on that.

I can't imagine Williams value to be completely shot. Has he devalued a bit? Yes. Would teams be willing to give him a shot and give up a nice piece to get him? I would like to think so.


If look at DX's mock draft history, Jordan was never top 5, and was only top 10 once. In the weeks leading up to the draft he was late teens/early 20's. Maybe Leonard is more comparable?
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Krapinsky on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:27 pm

cpfsf wrote:Not much attention is being given for Ariza. He's paid half what Iguodala makes, he fills an immediate need, and had a good relationship with Adelman in the past (which doesn't hurt if you want him to re-sign). Personally I'm skeptical that Iggy's offensive game warrants the additional 7 million dollars.


I'd be okay with this, because I like Ariza, but he struggled a bit playing under Adelman in Houston.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Krapinsky on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:29 pm

Klomp wrote:If thats the case we wouldn't "still have lots of money".

I love Pekovic as much as the next guy, but 12 million/year is too much. He's still too one-dimensional. That one dimension is good, but not worth 12 million.

I'm not even sure I'd pay him the 4 years, 43 million offer that DeAndre Jordan got from Golden State.


I'm with you Klomp. I think a Kendrick Perkins sized deal is about fair.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Klomp on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:39 pm

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Klomp wrote:If thats the case we wouldn't "still have lots of money".

I love Pekovic as much as the next guy, but 12 million/year is too much. He's still too one-dimensional. That one dimension is good, but not worth 12 million.

I'm not even sure I'd pay him the 4 years, 43 million offer that DeAndre Jordan got from Golden State.


I'm with you Klomp. I think a Kendrick Perkins sized deal is about fair.

I was going to say Marcin Gortat, but they're both pretty close.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby nhh90 on Tue May 01, 2012 12:00 am

Marc Gasol gets 13 million Deandre Jordan gets 10 million. I would say that 12 million him would probably be a bargain. He is a 16-10 player with kevin love shooting at 60% ts. He doesn't just shoot well fg% he is also a good free throw shooter. If he qualified, he would be number 3 in OREB to kevin love and demarcus cousins. Marc Gasol is getting 57 million in 4 years. Getting Pekovic for 60 and 5 is a bargain. Unless he decides to say 'f' it and get fat
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby The J Rocka on Tue May 01, 2012 12:00 am

Krapinsky wrote:If look at DX's mock draft history, Jordan was never top 5, and was only top 10 once. In the weeks leading up to the draft he was late teens/early 20's. Maybe Leonard is more comparable?

Not sure when he dropped. Earlier in the year he stayed at 5 and for weeks his stock kept plummeting. He went from top 5, to top 10, top 15-20, etc. In the end, majority of people thought 14-16. When he slipped to the 2nd, a lot of people were scratching their heads. Drummond will stay in the lottery but I don't think he's top 5 talent. Teams will take the risk because he's a center, and like I said, has drawn comparisons to Dwight Howard.

DraftExpress: Jordan was projected top-5 too. RT @cjt20one: Drummond seems like a DeAndre Jordan clone, who went 2nd round. Why is AD projected Top 5?


I do agree Drummond is a better prospect, but the outcome could be very similar. It would be ballsy to take the gamble that could payoff or hurt us. I think we have to use Williams to get us our 3rd guy, whoever that may be. We need to get a sure thing in return.

I don't remember looking at the mock drafts early this past season but I only remember seeing Leonard as high as 8 at one point. He has taken hits to his stock as the weeks passed like Jordan so I suppose that's a similarity. As far as overall talent/potential and falling short of high expectations, Jordan & Drummond have drawn the comparisons. We'll have to wait and see.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Esohny on Tue May 01, 2012 12:02 am

I like Pek a lot, but Gasol is on a higher tier, so that dollar amount doesn't make sense.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby nhh90 on Tue May 01, 2012 12:10 am

Esohny wrote:I like Pek a lot, but Gasol is on a higher tier, so that dollar amount doesn't make sense.

The only reason why he is because they are a playoff team. Gasol isn't nearly as good on the boards and is more offensively challenged. Pekovic is a keeper and should be trying to get the salary down soon until he becomes even more expensive. He is a very talented big man.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby The J Rocka on Tue May 01, 2012 12:12 am

nhh90 wrote:Marc Gasol gets 13 million Deandre Jordan gets 10 million. I would say that 12 million him would probably be a bargain. He is a 16-10 player with kevin love shooting at 60% ts. He doesn't just shoot well fg% he is also a good free throw shooter. If he qualified, he would be number 3 in OREB to kevin love and demarcus cousins. Marc Gasol is getting 57 million in 4 years. Getting Pekovic for 60 and 5 is a bargain. Unless he decides to say 'f' it and get fat

DeAndre Jordan deserves 7-8 mil for what he brings. Marc Gasol has established himself in this league as an all-star and is better than Pekovic. Pekovic to me is a very nice complementary piece but not a legitimate number 1-3 option. He's more like a 4th IMO.

As others have mentioned, Perkins/Gortat money is what Pekovic should look to get.
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