yardbarker

Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Moderators: Basti, Klomp, revprodeji

ImageImageImage

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby nhh90 on Tue May 01, 2012 12:16 am

The J Rocka wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Marc Gasol gets 13 million Deandre Jordan gets 10 million. I would say that 12 million him would probably be a bargain. He is a 16-10 player with kevin love shooting at 60% ts. He doesn't just shoot well fg% he is also a good free throw shooter. If he qualified, he would be number 3 in OREB to kevin love and demarcus cousins. Marc Gasol is getting 57 million in 4 years. Getting Pekovic for 60 and 5 is a bargain. Unless he decides to say 'f' it and get fat

DeAndre Jordan deserves 7-8 mil for what he brings. Marc Gasol has established himself in this league as an all-star and is better than Pekovic. Pekovic to me is a very nice complementary piece but not a legitimate number 1-3 option. He's more like a 4th IMO.

As others have mentioned, Perkins/Gortat money is what Pekovic should look to get.

Kendrick Perkins is awful. He averages 6 points and 6 rebounds on 55% shooting and 60% ft shooting. Pekovic is averaging 14 points and 7.5 rebounds in his second season on 56% shooting and 74% ft shooting. Pekovic is the better player. Gortat is going to get 5 for 60 too.
nhh90
Rookie
 
Posts: 1059
And1: 9
Joined: Mar 8, 2011

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby cpfsf on Tue May 01, 2012 12:32 am

Krapinsky wrote:
cpfsf wrote:Not much attention is being given for Ariza. He's paid half what Iguodala makes, he fills an immediate need, and had a good relationship with Adelman in the past (which doesn't hurt if you want him to re-sign). Personally I'm skeptical that Iggy's offensive game warrants the additional 7 million dollars.


I'd be okay with this, because I like Ariza, but he struggled a bit playing under Adelman in Houston.


I wouldn’t say that he struggled in Houston because he was forced into being one of the team’s primary options simply because nobody else was healthy. Yao Ming was out for the season, Tracy McGrady played a combined 46 minutes, and Kevin Martin only played 22 games. We know he can’t carry a team by himself. We really just need him to accept his role as a defensive stopper.
Image
mugzi wrote:it would actually lower my 156 iq to quote any number of the inane posts Ive seen
User avatar
cpfsf
Head Coach
 
Posts: 7119
And1: 64
Joined: Apr 9, 2008
Location: your mom

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby The J Rocka on Tue May 01, 2012 12:36 am

nhh90 wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Marc Gasol gets 13 million Deandre Jordan gets 10 million. I would say that 12 million him would probably be a bargain. He is a 16-10 player with kevin love shooting at 60% ts. He doesn't just shoot well fg% he is also a good free throw shooter. If he qualified, he would be number 3 in OREB to kevin love and demarcus cousins. Marc Gasol is getting 57 million in 4 years. Getting Pekovic for 60 and 5 is a bargain. Unless he decides to say 'f' it and get fat

DeAndre Jordan deserves 7-8 mil for what he brings. Marc Gasol has established himself in this league as an all-star and is better than Pekovic. Pekovic to me is a very nice complementary piece but not a legitimate number 1-3 option. He's more like a 4th IMO.

As others have mentioned, Perkins/Gortat money is what Pekovic should look to get.

Kendrick Perkins is awful. He averages 6 points and 6 rebounds on 55% shooting and 60% ft shooting. Pekovic is averaging 14 points and 7.5 rebounds in his second season on 56% shooting and 74% ft shooting. Pekovic is the better player. Gortat is going to get 5 for 60 too.

Perkins also takes half the amount of shots Pekovic does. Perkins post defense is pretty good as well. He might be overrated by some and has had a down season definitely but he's an important piece on a championship contending team and has played pretty well so far against the Mavs.

I think Perkins is paid quite fairly.
The J Rocka
RealGM
 
Posts: 10274
And1: 91
Joined: Jun 26, 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby jade_hippo on Tue May 01, 2012 12:42 am

I'd probably throw like $10M per year at Pek. Am I the only person who thinks Jordan being paid what he does is insane? Guy gets paid to jump high. 7/8 in 25ish min a game is not worth $10M especially when he's not particularily imposing on either end of the court. Darko put up stats like that for Rambis in a similar fashion with a better FG%.
User avatar
jade_hippo
Sixth Man
 
Posts: 1931
And1: 8
Joined: Jan 4, 2009
Location: Take off... eh!

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Grits n Gravy on Tue May 01, 2012 12:42 am

The J Rocka wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Marc Gasol gets 13 million Deandre Jordan gets 10 million. I would say that 12 million him would probably be a bargain. He is a 16-10 player with kevin love shooting at 60% ts. He doesn't just shoot well fg% he is also a good free throw shooter. If he qualified, he would be number 3 in OREB to kevin love and demarcus cousins. Marc Gasol is getting 57 million in 4 years. Getting Pekovic for 60 and 5 is a bargain. Unless he decides to say 'f' it and get fat

DeAndre Jordan deserves 7-8 mil for what he brings. Marc Gasol has established himself in this league as an all-star and is better than Pekovic. Pekovic to me is a very nice complementary piece but not a legitimate number 1-3 option. He's more like a 4th IMO.

As others have mentioned, Perkins/Gortat money is what Pekovic should look to get.

i would disagree..i think at worst pek is a 3rd option. gortat was signed to that contract while he was still a back up...i'm sure he would of earned quite significantly more had he been starting and putting up similar prodution as he is now. perk got that contract coming off a reasonably serious knee injury, modest numbers and a good defensive rep. i think pek is at worst gortat's equal and i pesonally think pek is better. let's not sleep on pek's potential to get better also - i doubt significantly, but he can still improve. i see no reason why pek can't put up 17/18 & 8/9 rebounds next year on great efficiency. i'd guess somewhere between 9 and 11 million would be in pek's ball park.
Officially on the Moe Harkless bandwagon
Harkless and Satoransky - 2012 Draft - April 26, 2012
- Make it happen KAHN!!
User avatar
Grits n Gravy
Lead Assistant
 
Posts: 5780
And1: 39
Joined: Feb 21, 2010
Location: Aotearoa

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby nhh90 on Tue May 01, 2012 12:49 am

Grits n Gravy wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Marc Gasol gets 13 million Deandre Jordan gets 10 million. I would say that 12 million him would probably be a bargain. He is a 16-10 player with kevin love shooting at 60% ts. He doesn't just shoot well fg% he is also a good free throw shooter. If he qualified, he would be number 3 in OREB to kevin love and demarcus cousins. Marc Gasol is getting 57 million in 4 years. Getting Pekovic for 60 and 5 is a bargain. Unless he decides to say 'f' it and get fat

DeAndre Jordan deserves 7-8 mil for what he brings. Marc Gasol has established himself in this league as an all-star and is better than Pekovic. Pekovic to me is a very nice complementary piece but not a legitimate number 1-3 option. He's more like a 4th IMO.

As others have mentioned, Perkins/Gortat money is what Pekovic should look to get.

i would disagree..i think at worst pek is a 3rd option. gortat was signed to that contract while he was still a back up...i'm sure he would of earned quite significantly more had he been starting and putting up similar prodution as he is now. perk got that contract coming off a reasonably serious knee injury, modest numbers and a good defensive rep. i think pek is at worst gortat's equal and i pesonally think pek is better. let's not sleep on pek's potential to get better also - i doubt significantly, but he can still improve. i see no reason why pek can't put up 17/18 & 8/9 rebounds next year on great efficiency. i'd guess somewhere between 9 and 11 million would be in pek's ball park.

Centers that score 18 points and 9 rebounds get max.
nhh90
Rookie
 
Posts: 1059
And1: 9
Joined: Mar 8, 2011

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Grits n Gravy on Tue May 01, 2012 12:54 am

nhh90 wrote:
Grits n Gravy wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:Marc Gasol gets 13 million Deandre Jordan gets 10 million. I would say that 12 million him would probably be a bargain. He is a 16-10 player with kevin love shooting at 60% ts. He doesn't just shoot well fg% he is also a good free throw shooter. If he qualified, he would be number 3 in OREB to kevin love and demarcus cousins. Marc Gasol is getting 57 million in 4 years. Getting Pekovic for 60 and 5 is a bargain. Unless he decides to say 'f' it and get fat

DeAndre Jordan deserves 7-8 mil for what he brings. Marc Gasol has established himself in this league as an all-star and is better than Pekovic. Pekovic to me is a very nice complementary piece but not a legitimate number 1-3 option. He's more like a 4th IMO.

As others have mentioned, Perkins/Gortat money is what Pekovic should look to get.

i would disagree..i think at worst pek is a 3rd option. gortat was signed to that contract while he was still a back up...i'm sure he would of earned quite significantly more had he been starting and putting up similar prodution as he is now. perk got that contract coming off a reasonably serious knee injury, modest numbers and a good defensive rep. i think pek is at worst gortat's equal and i pesonally think pek is better. let's not sleep on pek's potential to get better also - i doubt significantly, but he can still improve. i see no reason why pek can't put up 17/18 & 8/9 rebounds next year on great efficiency. i'd guess somewhere between 9 and 11 million would be in pek's ball park.


nhh90 Centers that score 18 points and 9 rebounds get max.


true...wouldn't be suprised if a team did offer the max.
Officially on the Moe Harkless bandwagon
Harkless and Satoransky - 2012 Draft - April 26, 2012
- Make it happen KAHN!!
User avatar
Grits n Gravy
Lead Assistant
 
Posts: 5780
And1: 39
Joined: Feb 21, 2010
Location: Aotearoa

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Klomp on Tue May 01, 2012 1:02 am

Whether or not its right, an offensive center with average defense will never be paid as much as a defensive center with average offense. I especially don't think we should fork out 10+ million to Pekovic when he's playing next to an offensive power forward with average at best defense. It just wouldn't be a wise investment.

And Marc Gasol would be the PERFECT center in this offense and with this group of players. High IQ, great passer, and pretty good defense.
Image
DusterBuster wrote:Klomp is like the ultimate troll mod.
User avatar
Klomp
Forum Mod
 
Posts: 29029
And1: 184
Joined: Jul 8, 2005

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Krapinsky on Tue May 01, 2012 1:07 am

nhh90 wrote:Centers that score 18 points and 9 rebounds get max.


Chris Kaman, Al Jefferson come to mind.
Image
Sig by C.lupus
User avatar
Krapinsky
RealGM
 
Posts: 15282
And1: 23
Joined: May 13, 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Klomp on Tue May 01, 2012 1:22 am

I wonder if Zgoda's leak about the Iguodala deal from last year makes it more or less likely that a deal would happen this year.
Image
DusterBuster wrote:Klomp is like the ultimate troll mod.
User avatar
Klomp
Forum Mod
 
Posts: 29029
And1: 184
Joined: Jul 8, 2005

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby nhh90 on Tue May 01, 2012 1:56 am

Krapinsky wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Centers that score 18 points and 9 rebounds get max.


Chris Kaman, Al Jefferson come to mind.

They don't shoot 60% ts
nhh90
Rookie
 
Posts: 1059
And1: 9
Joined: Mar 8, 2011

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby nhh90 on Tue May 01, 2012 2:15 am

Paying for defense is stupid. Pekovic is 7'1 280 pounds at least. He will easily be an anchor on defense if he attempts it. You pay players that give you 4 OREB. With Pekovic and Love you get 8 OREB between them. Literally the main reason why chicago bulls are so good is because of rebounding. With rubio kevin love and pekovic you are probably getting around 6 more possessions more than the other team because you have the two of the best OREB pf and center combo and rubio decreases turnovers for the wolves. Wolves literally just need a decent wing to be a 50 win team at this point.
nhh90
Rookie
 
Posts: 1059
And1: 9
Joined: Mar 8, 2011

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Grits n Gravy on Tue May 01, 2012 2:19 am

nhh90 wrote:Paying for defense is stupid. Pekovic is 7'1 280 pounds at least. He will easily be an anchor on defense if he attempts it. You pay players that give you 4 OREB. With Pekovic and Love you get 8 OREB between them. Literally the main reason why chicago bulls are so good is because of rebounding. With rubio kevin love and pekovic you are probably getting around 6 more possessions more than the other team because you have the two of the best OREB pf and center combo and rubio decreases turnovers for the wolves. Wolves literally just need a decent wing to be a 50 win team at this point.

pek is 6'11 and closer to 300 pounds imo. if he were 7'1 he would be the second coming of shaq :lol:
Officially on the Moe Harkless bandwagon
Harkless and Satoransky - 2012 Draft - April 26, 2012
- Make it happen KAHN!!
User avatar
Grits n Gravy
Lead Assistant
 
Posts: 5780
And1: 39
Joined: Feb 21, 2010
Location: Aotearoa

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby nhh90 on Tue May 01, 2012 2:21 am

Grits n Gravy wrote:
nhh90 wrote:Paying for defense is stupid. Pekovic is 7'1 280 pounds at least. He will easily be an anchor on defense if he attempts it. You pay players that give you 4 OREB. With Pekovic and Love you get 8 OREB between them. Literally the main reason why chicago bulls are so good is because of rebounding. With rubio kevin love and pekovic you are probably getting around 6 more possessions more than the other team because you have the two of the best OREB pf and center combo and rubio decreases turnovers for the wolves. Wolves literally just need a decent wing to be a 50 win team at this point.

pek is 6'11 and closer to 300 pounds imo. if he were 7'1 he would be the second coming of shaq :lol:
6'11 love style or 6'11 w/o shoes?
nhh90
Rookie
 
Posts: 1059
And1: 9
Joined: Mar 8, 2011

Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season

Postby Klomp on Tue May 01, 2012 2:23 am

nhh90 wrote:Paying for defense is stupid. Pekovic is 7'1 280 pounds at least. He will easily be an anchor on defense if he attempts it. You pay players that give you 4 OREB. With Pekovic and Love you get 8 OREB between them. Literally the main reason why chicago bulls are so good is because of rebounding. With rubio kevin love and pekovic you are probably getting around 6 more possessions more than the other team because you have the two of the best OREB pf and center combo and rubio decreases turnovers for the wolves. Wolves literally just need a decent wing to be a 50 win team at this point.

1. Pekovic is closer to 6'10 than he is 7'1.
2. The Bulls are good because of their defense.
3. With Love/Pekovic inside, you are also increasing the points the opponent scores inside.
Image
DusterBuster wrote:Klomp is like the ultimate troll mod.
User avatar
Klomp
Forum Mod
 
Posts: 29029
And1: 184
Joined: Jul 8, 2005

PreviousNext

Return to Minnesota Timberwolves

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Antrim, Klomp, TMo519