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Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby MNister89 on Wed May 02, 2012 4:32 pm

Who do y'all think are Kahn's most valuable assets, including picks and Euro-stash prospects etc. Mine...

1. Kevin Love - The best PF in the world and a unique talent who has improved every year. Only LeBron, Durant, Howard, Rose and maybe one or two more guys have more value long-term in the NBA.

1A. Ricky Rubio - I can't imagine the impact that having decent shot-makers on the perimeter would've had for Rubio statistically and with his confidence. Seems to mesh perfectly with Love and they should be able to push each other to improve for many years

3. Nikola Pekovic - Part of me worries he will regress or flat-line, but even that wouldn't be that bad. I still think he needs to develop an midrange jumper - its plausible given his touch at FT - to maximize his potential. Could be perennial 18-9 guy if he's healthy. Value hurt by redundancy b/w him and Love athletically.

4. Derrick Williams - I worry that Adelman genuinely isn't impressed with D-Will. Not saying R.A should coddle him, but I think Williams needs to be elsewhere to be at his best. That said, if he works on his body and quickness he could become a solid secondary scorer on the wing.

5. Utah Pick (No. 18) - Hoping we grab an elite shooting wing here. But, if we think we can address the wing issue via trades or free agency I would love to see us nab an athletic big who can block shots and run the floor.

6. Michael Beasley - Noticeable drop-off here. Beasley will always tantalize because the only thing preventing him from being a Melo-esque scorer is himself. He is close to entering that Ty.Thomas/A.Randolph zone of hopeless underachievers who just want to collect a check with least work possible.

7. JJ Barea - Slightly more valuable than Ridnour because he is a scorer on a team that lacks scorers. Also displayed an ability to distribute (albeit with healthy dose of TOs) when given heavy minutes. Ultimately though, you don't want to have to count on Barea.

8. Wes Johnson - If he ever gets sick of being a nice guy and focuses on defense and the little things he can be a rotation player. I think some people still value his athleticism and I think his shooting this year was a result of confidence. In other words, he is better than he played this year. Needs to toughen up though mentally.

9. Malcolm Lee - I think he can be a rotation player in the future. I love combo-guards who can lock-down on D. I think he can become what Avery Bradley has been to BOS. Needs to be mentored patiently and work on his handle and shot, but I think he might be Kahn's best draft pick besides RR. Wow, that is pathetic.

10. Luke Ridnour - Solid backup PG, but is a tad pricy considering we already have Barea and Rubio. We may have higher value to others than he does to us so perhaps this ranking is a little harsh for Ridnour, but generally I feel he is a dime-a-dozen NBA talent that is quite easy to replace.

11/11A/11B. Anthony Randolph/Martell Webster/Darko Milicic - On paper they represent two players the Wolves need : A.R - an athletic big who can run the floor and block shots from time to time ; M.W - experienced wing with accpetable shooting and defensive skills ; Darko - defensive body who can protect rim for spurts and collect cheap fouls. But you cannot count on these guys. It is crazy how many high-upside reclamation projects Kahn has taken on. Getting these guys off the team is paramount if we want to establish a winning culture here.

14. Tolliver/Ellington - End of bench players ideally. Both have some value, but neither possesses any outstanding skill that would merit anything of value on the trade market. Both seem decent enough as teammates and I have no problems with holding on to em as long as they don't play major minutes.

*Don't know much about any of our Euro prospects, so any feedback there would be cool
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby AQuintus on Wed May 02, 2012 5:36 pm

Luke Ridnour and Malcolm Lee should both be ahead of Johnson, and Webster and Miller should both be pretty high on the list because they're essentially instant expirings for a team needing to drop salary.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby MNister89 on Wed May 02, 2012 6:08 pm

AQuintus wrote:Luke Ridnour and Malcolm Lee should both be ahead of Johnson, and Webster and Miller should both be pretty high on the list because they're essentially instant expirings for a team needing to drop salary.


I thought Miller was retiring? Anyways, I am glad that other people value Lee. As for Ridnour, I think he is slightly better than the average fan realizes but I still think that Wes is worth more on the open market if only because he has the potential to be a wing stopper.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby Krapinsky on Wed May 02, 2012 6:17 pm

Ridnour > Barea for me. Wes might be a negative asset at this point a la Flynn or Thabeet.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby Narf on Wed May 02, 2012 6:57 pm

1) Love
2) Rubio (I value Rubio slightly more than Love, but most value Love higher and he'd get more in return in a trade).
3) Pekovic
4) Williams
5) Ridnour
6) #18
7) Barea
8) Lee
9) Beasley (sorry, but his S+T rights are just not that valuable)
10) Johnson (I personally think he still has a 50/50 shot of getting his 3 point shot above 36%, and at that point he jumps up the list)
11) Randolph (still a 7 footer with talent and potential. Should be cheap on a S+T and some team with too many SG (Philly with Meeks for example) would be willing to swap S+Ts and keep their MLE.
12) Ellington Average defender with a 3 point shot. Always has value off the bench...especially for $2 mil on a 1 year contract.
13) Webster 1 year stopgap and young enough and talented enough to give him a trial run. You can sell fans on his potential while rebuilding for a year (New Orleans for cap space + a future 2nd seems about right for value...so he's the last player I think with positive value)
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby AQuintus on Wed May 02, 2012 7:36 pm

MNister89 wrote:I thought Miller was retiring?


He is, but I'm pretty sure that we could still trade him to a team that wants to use his mostly ungaraunteed contract to cut salary.

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Narf wrote:13) Webster 1 year stopgap and young enough and talented enough to give him a trial run. You can sell fans on his potential while rebuilding for a year (New Orleans for cap space + a future 2nd seems about right for value...so he's the last player I think with positive value)


I'd probably put Webster just in front of the 18th pick on your list. The ability to instantly remove at least 5 million dollars in salary has got to be more valuable to a lot of teams than whatever c-list prospects will be available at 18.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby Klomp on Wed May 02, 2012 9:47 pm

How are you categorizing "most valuable"? Is it the pieces Kahn values the most, or the pieces other teams value the most? To other teams, Love > Rubio, but Kahn probably is thinking Rubio > Love.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby Devilzsidewalk on Wed May 02, 2012 10:23 pm

AQuintus wrote:Luke Ridnour and Malcolm Lee should both be ahead of Johnson, and Webster and Miller should both be pretty high on the list because they're essentially instant expirings for a team needing to drop salary.


yea, I'd have Luke and Lee after the Utah pick probably. Luke would be a nice fit for several teams and Lee, sadly enough, is our only non-bust after that.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby Grits n Gravy on Wed May 02, 2012 10:33 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Ridnour > Barea for me. Wes might be a negative asset at this point a la Flynn or Thabeet.

definitely agree...luke was absolutely outstanding this year doing everything that could possibly be asked from playing shooting guard and battling small forwards in the post like world peace and parsons.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby Narf on Thu May 03, 2012 12:10 am

I rate anything worth less than raw cap space to be negative value.
So I rate the #18 pick as worth more than the cap space needed to sign that pick.
But Webster, if he's just used as an expiring, is worth less than the raw cap space.
The only time Webster has value is when we are taking back a bad salary. So his value is essentially us taking back bad salary...
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby x- on Fri May 04, 2012 10:42 am

Narf wrote:5) Ridnour
6) #18


As an outsider looking in, I don't see that at all.

I think the vast majority, if not all teams, would prefer the #18 pick in this year's draft to Luke Ridnour.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby Foye on Fri May 04, 2012 10:48 am

Ugh. Johnson at 8?

He's right ahead of Darko Milicic IMO.
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby Dewey on Fri May 04, 2012 4:01 pm

x- wrote:
Narf wrote:5) Ridnour
6) #18


As an outsider looking in, I don't see that at all.

I think the vast majority, if not all teams, would prefer the #18 pick in this year's draft to Luke Ridnour.


pretty doubtful ... but really, as an outsider, why would you care?
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Re: Wolves Asset Rankings

Postby SO_MONEY on Fri May 04, 2012 5:15 pm

1.Love
2.Rubio
3.Pekovic
4.Williams
5.Ridnour
6.Utah #18
7a-b.Miller & Webster
8.Barea
9.Memphis Pick
10.Lee
11.Ellington
12.Johnson
13. Darko

FA S&T(who knows?):

I wouldn't risk offering the QO, so they are not tradeable assets in my mind.

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