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Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

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Derrick Williams: Stay or Go?

He didn't pan out and it's time to get value back while we can.
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Keep him! Only letting him go in the perfect deal.
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Post#301 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:45 pm by Ming Kong!

Calinks wrote:If Igudola or something of that caliber comes along, move him. If anything like peanuts or role players/weak picks is being offered. Hell no. That includes someone like Varejao.


LOL the way Varejao is playing this year, makes this hilarious (though I know this was posted over the summer).
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Post#302 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:28 am by shrink

Ming Kong! wrote:
Calinks wrote:If Igudola or something of that caliber comes along, move him. If anything like peanuts or role players/weak picks is being offered. Hell no. That includes someone like Varejao.


LOL the way Varejao is playing this year, makes this hilarious (though I know this was posted over the summer).


Yep he's playing great and worth more than this. However, just wait three weeks for his annual season-ending injury, and it will be an equally unbalanced a trade.
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Post#303 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:07 pm by Grits n Gravy

oh boy
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... k-williams

some terrible mentions
williams for shannon brown
williams for anthony morrow and john jenkins
williams and barea/rid for isiah thomas and thornton
williams for austin rivers and jason smith
williams and ridnour for jason maxiell and austin daye
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Post#304 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:02 pm by Esohny

The only one that improves the team is the Kings trade. And that's pretty poor value wise. The others are jokes, and that's coming from someone who wanted Williams traded last season.

The target should be JJ Redick.
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Post#305 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:18 pm by [RCG]

I posted in the comment section. Some of those writers should examine the rosters of the teams before they propose dumb trades. I like Austin Rivers and John Jenkins but most of the proposals are garbage.

There is no reason to trade him straight up for older bench players who don't do anything to help us win. Williams is still two years younger than Damian Lilliard and Alexey Shved - I don't care what anyone else says he has the potential and I wouldn't mind continuing to develop him in practice and seeing him get more minutes during garbage time (as well as some meaningful minutes). We can reevaluate him at the end of his contract, the same time Love will have his opt-out and we can have flexibility during that situation.
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Post#306 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:40 pm by deliriousmouse

He looks so much more confident with Rubio out there. 12/5 on about 12 minutes.

it's not even because Rubio is feeding him looks, he just goes harder
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Post#307 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:38 am by GopherIt!

Rubio + DWill = :love:
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Post#308 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:41 am by Piecake

Play Dwill with Rubio to increase his trade value
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Post#309 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:43 am by Klomp

“@APkrawczynski: Williams said it's the best he's felt since he's been here. "I just felt I had to step up a little more with Kevin out."”
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Post#310 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:48 am by FinnTheHuman

Klomp wrote:“@APkrawczynski: Williams said it's the best he's felt since he's been here. "I just felt I had to step up a little more with Kevin out."”


That's nice to hear. I wanna see more DWill on PF, he looks great playing it.
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Post#311 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:03 am by Train

Had an okay game thanks to Rubio. Dw really needs play within himself a bit more rather than getting confident & then jacking up ****.
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Post#312 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:40 am by Calinks

Look at his body language tonight. I'm telling, you he looked like a 12 year old. He was so giddy and excited. At the halftime interview he couldn't even get his words out he was smiling and wanting to giggle so much. You would think he was playing at an all-star level or something all year the way he was enjoying himself. Fun to watch.
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Post#313 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:45 am by southern wolf

As much as I've liked Cunningham, I think we should give his minutes to D-Will when Love gets back. He's showed a bit in the last week and he's obviously the bigger prospect.
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Post#314 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:50 am by [RCG]

southern wolf wrote:As much as I've liked Cunningham, I think we should give his minutes to D-Will when Love gets back. He's showed a bit in the last week and he's obviously the bigger prospect.


Not only prospect but I feel like there are two ways it can go.

D.Will >> Cunningham when D.Will is on. (Obviously)
D.Will < Cunningham when D.Will isn't on.

Cunningham is more consistent so it makes more sense to see which version you're going to get first.
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Post#315 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:15 am by Tekkenlaw

I don't think there is any better Love insurance than Williams, why not let him run out his rookie contract and go from there? It's not worth trading someone with D-Will's potential just to fill a few minor holes.
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Post#316 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:46 am by Calinks

We can give him some more PT but I don't think we need to be taking away all of Dante's minutes. Dante has been earning that since pre-season.
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Post#317 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:25 am by Turnover_21

Use Cunningham as AK's backup. He can defend SFs and has a jumper. Use Williams as Love's backup. Use Love as Pek's backup. Use Steamer only if we have injury or foul trouble.
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Post#318 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:08 am by shrink

Tekkenlaw wrote:I don't think there is any better Love insurance than Williams, why not let him run out his rookie contract and go from there? It's not worth trading someone with D-Will's potential just to fill a few minor holes.


It is worth noting that Williams may give us hidden value that allows us to "lose" a trade, but still get better. For example, let me throw totally subjective numbers at you:

Love = 9
Trade Offer = 8
Trading Love meakes Derrick Williams go from a 3 to a 7.

Net effect of trade: -9 + 8 + 4 = +3

Now, let me point out a could things though. First, superstars are valuable because it allows you to get your value all on the floor, but concentrated in one of your five limited positions. Next, the Wolves are looking pretty deep, so adding a new player may push someone else to the bench and reduce his value.

I agree with Tekkenlaw's contention, and I'd love to find more opportunities for Williams. I'm just saying we need to be careful.
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Post#319 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:07 am by Nitroglycerin

Still think he doesnt have the quickness to defend and a consistent jumpshot to be a three. Pek and love are locked in at the C and PF spot, so SF is the only available starting spot (if AK starts to decline but im positive its not very soon). But i think he's better at the 4. Hate the idea of him being traded but dont want him to be only a role player.
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Post#320 Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:59 am by eyeteeth

I think Williams' developing maturity is a largely unnoticed story. His stat line from last night, for example, 16 pts on 5/9 shooting, 6 rebs, no PFs, 1 TO in 18 minutes.

I think he's always gonna be a PF, though, and not a SF, and I think that at some point the logic will be to trade him. Que cera cera.
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