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Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

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Derrick Williams: Stay or Go?

He didn't pan out and it's time to get value back while we can.
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Keep him! Only letting him go in the perfect deal.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#196 » by Trianoball » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:23 pm

Haha fair enough.
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Post#197 » by Dray-Z » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:12 am

I'd love to have Derrick Williams on the Nets but we've pretty much jettisoned all of our quality assets this last year and a half...

Down to MarShon Brooks, Bogdan Bogdanovic (European stash, viewed fairly favorably by scouts, buyout issues caused him to fall on draft day), and our own first round picks :-(...
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Post#198 » by Catchall » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:00 am

I'm a Jazz fan, and for some reason I still see Derrick Williams becoming a Paul Pierce-like power SF. We're happy with the way Kanter is turning out, but would probably have drafted Williams if he were on that draft board.

I'd move Alec Burks and maybe Marvin Williams for Derrick Williams (if Derrick will play defense), but some people might say I'm nuts.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#199 » by Esohny » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:14 am

Catchall wrote:I'm a Jazz fan, and for some reason I still see Derrick Williams becoming a Paul Pierce-like power SF. We're happy with the way Kanter is turning out, but would probably have drafted Williams if he were on that draft board.

I'd move Alec Burks and maybe Marvin Williams for Derrick Williams (if Derrick will play defense), but some people might say I'm nuts.


What's wrong with Burks this season? He is playing worse than Williams.
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Post#200 » by Catchall » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:26 am

Esohny wrote:
Catchall wrote:I'm a Jazz fan, and for some reason I still see Derrick Williams becoming a Paul Pierce-like power SF. We're happy with the way Kanter is turning out, but would probably have drafted Williams if he were on that draft board.

I'd move Alec Burks and maybe Marvin Williams for Derrick Williams (if Derrick will play defense), but some people might say I'm nuts.


What's wrong with Burks this season? He is playing worse than Williams.


Not sure what the issue is. Burks played well over the summer and in pre-season. Randy Foye got hot and seems to be taking his minutes, but there must be something going on off the court. Burks has been DNP CD for the last 3 games.

Derrick Williams' shooting percentages are low. I'm not sure if that's due to his stroke or shot selection.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#201 » by southern wolf » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:58 am

Williams has a 23 point game and all of a sudden the poll changes.
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Post#202 » by Tirion » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:08 pm

his ugly jumper was fallin.

hopefully he will stay hot and string some high scoring games to up his value.
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Post#203 » by Turnover_21 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:50 pm

Tirion wrote:his ugly jumper was fallin.

hopefully he will stay hot and string some high scoring games to up his value.



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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#204 » by The J Rocka » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:10 pm

I'd rather us target a SG that can shoot.
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Post#205 » by moss_is_1 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:21 pm

The J Rocka wrote:I'd rather us target a SG that can shoot.

Shved!

Unless we get blown away with an offer we might as well keep Derrick and try to let him play up his value. Do we really need to trade him anyway? We have good depth if our team would get healthy...no need to trade Derrick to fill a hole that we could fill with just being healthy.
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Post#206 » by Turnover_21 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:29 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:I'd rather us target a SG that can shoot.

Shved!

Unless we get blown away with an offer we might as well keep Derrick and try to let him play up his value. Do we really need to trade him anyway? We have good depth if our team would get healthy...no need to trade Derrick to fill a hole that we could fill with just being healthy.


How will DWill play up his value riding the pine? You know that's coming once Love is back.

And we do need more shooters. Our 3 pt numbers and %s speak for themselves. I'm sorry but Roy is not going to fix that even his knees grow back cartilage.

Big thumb down for your post, sir.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#207 » by Klomp » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:56 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:And we do need more shooters. Our 3 pt numbers and %s speak for themselves. I'm sorry but Roy is not going to fix that even his knees grow back cartilage.

Big thumb down for your post, sir.

We are also playing without our two best 3-point shooters.
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Post#208 » by Turnover_21 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:05 pm

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Turnover_21 wrote:And we do need more shooters. Our 3 pt numbers and %s speak for themselves. I'm sorry but Roy is not going to fix that even his knees grow back cartilage.

Big thumb down for your post, sir.

We are also playing without our two best 3-point shooters.


We were bad even with Chase still playing. And Love should not be a designated shooter out there, he's our main scorer. As constracted the started lineup is lacking an off the ball dead eye shooter( by SL I mean the core of Rubio-AK-Love-Pek). Spurs always surrounded TD, TP and Gino with quality shooters, we must do the same.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#209 » by moss_is_1 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:21 pm

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moss_is_1 wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:I'd rather us target a SG that can shoot.

Shved!

Unless we get blown away with an offer we might as well keep Derrick and try to let him play up his value. Do we really need to trade him anyway? We have good depth if our team would get healthy...no need to trade Derrick to fill a hole that we could fill with just being healthy.


How will DWill play up his value riding the pine? You know that's coming once Love is back.

And we do need more shooters. Our 3 pt numbers and %s speak for themselves. I'm sorry but Roy is not going to fix that even his knees grow back cartilage.

Big thumb down for your post, sir.


What are we even going to get for him? I would agree that our shooting isn't very good right now, but look at the guys %'s. Barea and Budinger were both shooting well below their worst shooting seasons...and Roy hasn't made a three yet this season. You can expect the law of averages to even that out....plus adding Love along with Rubio who is at least average at shooting the three, while being able to create open looks for others.

I don't see a reason to trade D-will if we only get a bench player back for him. We can afford to be patient with him since we do have Love/Cunningham....Adelman can coach him up and hopefully turn him into a worthwhile player. So unless we could pry someone like Afflalo from Orlando, then I see no point in trading him.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#210 » by Turnover_21 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:52 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:
What are we even going to get for him? I would agree that our shooting isn't very good right now, but look at the guys %'s. Barea and Budinger were both shooting well below their worst shooting seasons...and Roy hasn't made a three yet this season. You can expect the law of averages to even that out....plus adding Love along with Rubio who is at least average at shooting the three, while being able to create open looks for others.

I don't see a reason to trade D-will if we only get a bench player back for him. We can afford to be patient with him since we do have Love/Cunningham....Adelman can coach him up and hopefully turn him into a worthwhile player. So unless we could pry someone like Afflalo from Orlando, then I see no point in trading him.



Roy was never a long range shooter, just ask any blazer fan so don't count on that guy. Again we need a SG that can really shoot to go with our starters. Maybe it's Shved but he will have to improve a good deal here.

As for Williams I just don't see him and his 5-6 mil sitting on the bench and developing at slow pace here. Taylor will soon be staring at lux tax limit. I don't think they want to pay it. Even if Derrick will develop he's up for extention same year as Rubio and Shved. So we'll have Love, Pek, AK, Rubio, Shved, Williams signed to big contracts? I just don't see it. I think OKC was a vivid example this summer. I don't even talk about that Williams is PF. The only way he makes sense if they know that Love want to leave in 2 years but it is far fetched atm .
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#211 » by Dray-Z » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:45 pm

The J Rocka wrote:I'd rather us target a SG that can shoot.


MarShon Brooks! (And we'll even throw in the Minnesota native Kris Humphries!)
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Post#212 » by Esohny » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:46 pm

I still think Redick is the right target. Try to get him, dump some salary to help with paying Pek/Bud, and/or get a pick back. This is assuming that Orlando can still be convinced that he's got untapped potential and he fits better with their rebuilding effort. The fact that their front office is a joke even without Otis Smith makes me somewhat hopeful.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#213 » by Tirion » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:47 pm

Dray-Z wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:I'd rather us target a SG that can shoot.


MarShon Brooks! (And we'll even throw in the Minnesota native Kris Humphries!)


Humphries is an expiring next year, right?

But why would Brooklyn do that?

Nope, just remembered, need to re-sign PEK.
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Post#214 » by Tirion » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:50 pm

Esohny wrote:I still think Redick is the right target. Try to get him, dump some salary to help with paying Pek/Bud, and/or get a pick back. This is assuming that Orlando can still be convinced that he's got untapped potential and he fits better with their rebuilding effort. The fact that their front office is a joke even without Otis Smith makes me somewhat hopeful.


There will be teams lining up after Redick. 3pt shooters who can play are a valuable commodity.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On? 

Post#215 » by Esohny » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:55 pm

Tirion wrote:
Esohny wrote:I still think Redick is the right target. Try to get him, dump some salary to help with paying Pek/Bud, and/or get a pick back. This is assuming that Orlando can still be convinced that he's got untapped potential and he fits better with their rebuilding effort. The fact that their front office is a joke even without Otis Smith makes me somewhat hopeful.


There will be teams lining up after Redick. 3pt shooters who can play are a valuable commodity.


Yes, but his age and salary make him a far better fit for a contender than a rebuilding team, and most contenders don't have the sort of assets that Orlando would be looking for. As I said, that's the appeal of Williams, assuming that Orlando still sees "potential."

What do you think they're going to get offered?
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