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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:40 pm
by Klomp
Esohny wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Would you trade him straight up for an expiring contract?
A productive expiring, or a garbage expiring?
A very necessary distinction.
JJ Redick? Yes.
Daniel Gibson? No.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:54 pm
by Krapinsky
Worm Guts wrote:Would you trade him straight up for an expiring contract?
If the expiring came with Bird Rights i would.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:53 am
by Worm Guts
For the sake of argument, let's say a garbage player. A trade where we're just trying to clear Derrick's contract.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:42 am
by Piecake
Worm Guts wrote:For the sake of argument, let's say a garbage player. A trade where we're just trying to clear Derrick's contract.
If we cant sign Pekovic and Bud without dumping Dwill's contract, then yes. Though fairly certain we can sign both by getting rid of Ridnour and Roy's contract being voided/retired
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:42 am
by Devilzsidewalk
i would never have thought it'd come to this, but seeing what the market was for Wes (an unexpected reality check for me personally) and considering three separate 8 digit contracts on the team next year if we want to keep Pekovic, I don't think we'd have a choice but to take an expiring if given the opportunity. On top of that, Taylor is trying to sell the team and its unlikely any buyer is going to be interested in holding out hope for Williams' potential.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:10 am
by Tirion
Devilzsidewalk wrote:i would never have thought it'd come to this, but seeing what the market was for Wes (an unexpected reality check for me personally) and considering three separate 8 digit contracts on the team next year if we want to keep Pekovic, I don't think we'd have a choice but to take an expiring if given the opportunity. On top of that, Taylor is trying to sell the team and its unlikely any buyer is going to be interested in holding out hope for Williams' potential.
yep, that's the reality.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:51 pm
by shrink
Piecake wrote:Worm Guts wrote:For the sake of argument, let's say a garbage player. A trade where we're just trying to clear Derrick's contract.
If we cant sign Pekovic and Bud without dumping Dwill's contract, then yes. Though fairly certain we can sign both by getting rid of Ridnour and Roy's contract being voided/retired
That is no longer the case. If we say Roy is gone, we don't need much extra cap room to stay under the lux and do the four things we probably want: Resign Pek and Buddinger, afford our/MEM's 1st, and have enough money to offer the full MLE.
Derrick Williams is worth more than a garbage expiring. He still has a chance (though a slim chance) of using his athleticism and becoming a legitimate NBA player. I personally think he has more value to a rebuilding team than Reddick's expiring as well, since teams like that should be more comfortable taking big risks.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:56 pm
by shrink
I was curious about people's views to this statement:
Ayatollah wrote:Williams is a "poor man´s Josh Smith"
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:12 pm
by C.lupus
shrink wrote:I was curious about people's views to this statement:
Ayatollah wrote:Williams is a "poor man´s Josh Smith"
If by "poor man's Josh Smith" he means similar scoring and rebounding without the all-round game and defense of Smith, then I'd probably agree with that.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:52 pm
by FinnTheHuman
If/when he completely shakes off the reflex of driving to the basket every time he gets the ball in the offense, he will be nba material. A player can do that in college with that athleticism, but not in the NBA.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:18 pm
by Krapinsky
I'm definitely not to the point where I would dump D-Will for a garbage contract. i would want an asset or someone that would help us this year.
I want to see what happens when Rubio gets back. It might open up a lot of things for a lot of players.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:59 pm
by shrink
Here's a copy of the sketchy rumor:
RTM wrote:I saw this on the Detroit Board. This is coming from (wait for it) a bilingual Sports TV and radio host out of LA named Erika Garza's twitter account, and then picked up by a Swedish site:
https://twitter.com/MsErikaGarzaLakers would get: Trevor Ariza, Derrick Williams, J Jerebko, & JJ Barea, Minn. would get Gasol & Kim English, Wizards would get Duhon &...
N. Pekovic from Minn. & C Villanueva from Pistons, Pistons would get Emeka Okafor... #TradeRumors
http://basketsverige.se/article/1376354 ... a-i-lakers (not in English)
DET Sends: Charlie Villanueva, Jonas Jerebko, Kim English
DET Gets: Emeka Okafor
LA Sends: Pau Gasol, Chris Duhon
LA Gets: Trevor Ariza, Derrick Williams, Jonas Jerebko, J.J. Barea
MIN Sends: Nikola Pekovic, Derrick Williams, J.J. Barea
MIN Gets: Pau Gasol, Kim English
WAS Sends: Emeka Okafor, Trevor Ariza
WAS Gets: Nikola Pekovic, Charlie Villanueva, Chris Duhon
Works financially, but this is BS. It doesn't really make sense, particularly for the Lakers. Slow news day - figured I'd post.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:02 am
by Krapinsky
^^Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me at all. There's just been too much Pau smoke since Adelman got here.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:29 am
by AQuintus
Krapinsky wrote:^^Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me at all. There's just been too much Pau smoke since Adelman got here.
It would surprise me quite a bit, since, you know, it's really awful for Minnesota.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:35 am
by shrink
I find it very surprising for three of the four teams.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:37 am
by Krapinsky
AQuintus wrote:Krapinsky wrote:^^Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me at all. There's just been too much Pau smoke since Adelman got here.
It would surprise me quite a bit, since, you know, it's really awful for Minnesota.
Pau gets a bad rap. He's a center asked to play PF and guard perimeter players. He's much better than he's shown the last two seasons playing out of position and I think front office execs recognize that.
He's also a better fit in Adelman's offense than probably any big man in the entire league.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:42 am
by C.lupus
What part of "we don't have a starting quality shooting guard" gets addressed in this trade? We don't need a slight upgrade at center. When your car is missing four wheels you don't spend your money on a new paint job.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:50 am
by Esohny
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJQEl5vcAo[/youtube]
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:13 am
by Krapinsky
C.lupus wrote:What part of "we don't have a starting quality shooting guard" gets addressed in this trade? We don't need a slight upgrade at center. When your car is missing four wheels you don't spend your money on a new paint job.
Maybe we get Jordan Crawford somehow? He's got a 15 + PER this year. Not too bad.
Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:32 am
by AQuintus
Krapinsky wrote:
Pau gets a bad rap. He's a center asked to play PF and guard perimeter players. He's much better than he's shown the last two seasons playing out of position and I think front office execs recognize that.
The same things could be said about Derrick Williams very easily, and yet people, rightfully, realize that his underwhelming, non-hypothetical, on court performances do drop his trade value. And Williams isn't even being paid 19 million dollars a year.