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Ellis?

gamer4Life wrote:

The J Rocka wrote:

gamer4Life wrote:
Bargnani is extremely underrated. He'll be your sparkplug off the bench, and can act as insurance in case Love gets injured.

We have insurance invested in Cunningham & Williams already so no reason to take on that bad contract. Bargs is having one of his worst seasons ever. A big that cannot shoot, cannot score inside, cannot play defense, and cannot rebound. He makes Brook Lopez look like Kevin Love.

I'm pretty sure Raps fans hate his guts and would dump him for an expiring in a heartbeat.

Calderon for Williams + Roy?

No thanks. We don't need another point guard with horrible defense.

Kahn touch this wrote:Ellis?

Ellis would be a nice idea. I like him a lot more then most. He isn't a great outside shooter so having him with AK and Rubio isn't ideal...but I would take the gamble because we need a player who can score on the wing. Ellis will most likely be a free agent though.

Kahn touch this wrote:Ellis?

if he would accept coming off the bench...

gamer4Life wrote: Calderon for Williams + Roy?

WILLIAMS and Roy? No - at $11.6 mil after trade kicker, Calderon doesn't have that kind of value.

Heck, majority here won't do Ridnour and Roy.

Kahn touch this wrote:Ellis?

Of course not.

Slackstring701 wrote:Yo ... Im a diehard Raps fan, but I am also a very big Wolves fan. Always root for them out west.

As much as I like DeMar ... I would definately be intrested in seeing some sort of trade revolving around DeRozan for Williams.

Terrence Ross is looking like he is going to have a very bright future, making DeMar redundant, and we are absolutely starving for a half decent SF.

I've watched a lot of Williams this past year and a bit, and I'm still not sold he can be a long term SF, but I would be abslutely willing to give him the chance to play 30+ minutes there.

I don't what you guys think about that, but it was just something I was mulling over ...

I can't believe this didn't get more run. YES. DD would be a great fit on the Wolves. I think they need a SG/SF type player, and one who is uber athletic is needed as well. His contract extension is hard to swallow, but maybe he could live up to it. He could either start, and Shved comes off bench, or other way around. Plus DeRozan could play some minutes at SF.

rugbyrugger23 wrote:

Slackstring701 wrote:Yo ... Im a diehard Raps fan, but I am also a very big Wolves fan. Always root for them out west.

As much as I like DeMar ... I would definately be intrested in seeing some sort of trade revolving around DeRozan for Williams.

I can't believe this didn't get more run. YES. DD would be a great fit on the Wolves. I think they need a SG/SF type player, and one who is uber athletic is needed as well. His contract extension is hard to swallow, but maybe he could live up to it.

$38 mil for four years? We're not the Lakers here. We can't make a giant investment like this on a guy that has never been close to worth that much money.

And what would we trade to make it even? We don't have a bad contract that starts when Derozan's contract starts.

shrink wrote:

rugbyrugger23 wrote:

Slackstring701 wrote:Yo ... Im a diehard Raps fan, but I am also a very big Wolves fan. Always root for them out west.

As much as I like DeMar ... I would definately be intrested in seeing some sort of trade revolving around DeRozan for Williams.

I can't believe this didn't get more run. YES. DD would be a great fit on the Wolves. I think they need a SG/SF type player, and one who is uber athletic is needed as well. His contract extension is hard to swallow, but maybe he could live up to it.

$38 mil for four years? We're not the Lakers here. We can't make a giant investment like this on a guy that has never been close to worth that much money.

And what would we trade to make it even? We don't have a bad contract that starts when Derozan's contract starts.

A third team would be needed. Barea and DWill for DD and filler (ideally expiring contract filler).

I'd like a SG who can shoot a little bit.

apologies for the laziness of not wading through 25 pages, but interested if any Laker players would be of interest for DWill (outside of the top 4, obviously). For example, would Hill be a fit? Some combination of out-of-rotation wings (Ebanks, Clark, Jamison)? Perhaps not, but haven't watched any MIN games this year yet to assess the roster needs. Thx.

Sorry, you don't have any picks which would be the main asset coming back otherwise a Hill + Meeks + 1st for Williams would've been something to build from.

rugbyrugger23 wrote:

shrink wrote:

rugbyrugger23 wrote:I can't believe this didn't get more run. YES. DD would be a great fit on the Wolves. I think they need a SG/SF type player, and one who is uber athletic is needed as well. His contract extension is hard to swallow, but maybe he could live up to it.

$38 mil for four years? We're not the Lakers here. We can't make a giant investment like this on a guy that has never been close to worth that much money.

And what would we trade to make it even? We don't have a bad contract that starts when Derozan's contract starts.

A third team would be needed. Barea and DWill for DD and filler (ideally expiring contract filler).

I don't think you're understanding me. Suppose MIN trades Williams for Derozan

In 2012-13 .. MIN WINS
In 2013-14 .. Williams + $4.5 mil in a fairly priced player or Derozan? MIN LOSES.
In 2014-15 .. $9.5 mil in a fairly priced player or Derozan? MIN LOSES.
In 2015-16 .. $9.5 mil in a fairly priced player or Derozan? MIN LOSES.
In 2016-17 .. $9.5 mil in a fairly priced player or Derozan? MIN LOSES.

Because most teams are limited to a salary under the lux, they need to at least get market value out of their players to be a play-off team. To be a true contender, they need to get excellent value out of how they spend their money - generally that means superstars. MIN can't lock into Derozan at $9.5 mil, and hope he improves enough to reach a .. say .. 20% chance that he's worth $9.5 mil.

Straight up for JJ Redick.

Skin wrote:Straight up for JJ Redick.

Great fit, but can't do it, because he's an expiring UFA.

If MIN gave up Williams in the deal, they could watch Redick scoot right back to ORL this summer. Even if we knew we could re-sign him, it might be at the expense of Pekovic or Buddinger.

I'd do a deal for Afflalo because he's locked in for multiple years, but Redick's deal should make him untradable for Williams right now. Even if they love Redick and are willing to sacrifice someone next year to afford him, then they should keep Williams, find a short-term solution for the rest of the year (Rip?), and offer Redick the full MLE this summer.

shrink wrote:

Skin wrote:Straight up for JJ Redick.

Great fit, but can't do it, because he's an expiring UFA.

If MIN gave up Williams in the deal, they could watch Redick scoot right back to ORL this summer. Even if we knew we could re-sign him, it might be at the expense of Pekovic or Buddinger.

I'd do a deal for Afflalo because he's locked in for multiple years, but Redick's deal should make him untradable for Williams right now. Even if they love Redick and are willing to sacrifice someone next year to afford him, then they should keep Williams, find a short-term solution for the rest of the year (Rip?), and offer Redick the full MLE this summer.

Orlando won't do it straight up for Redick, much less Afflalo.

shrink wrote:

Skin wrote:Straight up for JJ Redick.

Great fit, but can't do it, because he's an expiring UFA.

If MIN gave up Williams in the deal, they could watch Redick scoot right back to ORL this summer. Even if we knew we could re-sign him, it might be at the expense of Pekovic or Buddinger.

I'd do a deal for Afflalo because he's locked in for multiple years, but Redick's deal should make him untradable for Williams right now. Even if they love Redick and are willing to sacrifice someone next year to afford him, then they should keep Williams, find a short-term solution for the rest of the year (Rip?), and offer Redick the full MLE this summer.

By trading for Redick you will get his Bird Rights and be willing to offer him more than his competitors. Plus, you can keep him and still use your MLE elsewhere if you wanted.

There's absolutely no way ORL gives up AA for D-Will.

Skin wrote:

shrink wrote:

Skin wrote:Straight up for JJ Redick.

Great fit, but can't do it, because he's an expiring UFA.

If MIN gave up Williams in the deal, they could watch Redick scoot right back to ORL this summer. Even if we knew we could re-sign him, it might be at the expense of Pekovic or Buddinger.

I'd do a deal for Afflalo because he's locked in for multiple years, but Redick's deal should make him untradable for Williams right now. Even if they love Redick and are willing to sacrifice someone next year to afford him, then they should keep Williams, find a short-term solution for the rest of the year (Rip?), and offer Redick the full MLE this summer.

By trading for Redick you will get his Bird Rights and be willing to offer him more than his competitors. Plus, you can keep him and still use your MLE elsewhere if you wanted.

There's absolutely no way ORL gives up AA for D-Will.

Oh - so if we overpay for him now, we have the chance to overpay for him this summer - even though he could take any deal and go wherever he wanted? We had two players take lesser money to go to other locations last year. And as I pointed out, if we want to pay for him this summer, we can offer him the MLE - which is fair for a SG of his skill. If he doesn't take it, then we spend it on a different, fairly-priced player.

Also, notice that if we are paying Redick, it probably means we don't have the money to pay Budinger, wasting the #16 pick we gave up for him. I don't think it's reasonable to assume Glen Taylor will go so far into the lux that he'll give Redick a big deal he won't walk away from - same for Pek - and STILL use the MLE.

Finally, I did not say I wanted ORL to do a Derrick Williams for Affalo deal straight up. I have consistently said in many threads that it'd take Williams plus something to get Afflalo.

Stephen jackson?

shrink wrote:

Skin wrote:

shrink wrote:
Great fit, but can't do it, because he's an expiring UFA.

If MIN gave up Williams in the deal, they could watch Redick scoot right back to ORL this summer. Even if we knew we could re-sign him, it might be at the expense of Pekovic or Buddinger.

I'd do a deal for Afflalo because he's locked in for multiple years, but Redick's deal should make him untradable for Williams right now. Even if they love Redick and are willing to sacrifice someone next year to afford him, then they should keep Williams, find a short-term solution for the rest of the year (Rip?), and offer Redick the full MLE this summer.

By trading for Redick you will get his Bird Rights and be willing to offer him more than his competitors. Plus, you can keep him and still use your MLE elsewhere if you wanted.

There's absolutely no way ORL gives up AA for D-Will.

Oh - so if we overpay for him now, we have the chance to overpay for him this summer - even though he could take any deal and go wherever he wanted? We had two players take lesser money to go to other locations last year. And as I pointed out, if we want to pay for him this summer, we can offer him the MLE - which is fair for a SG of his skill. If he doesn't take it, then we spend it on a different, fairly-priced player.

Also, notice that if we are paying Redick, it probably means we don't have the money to pay Budinger, wasting the #16 pick we gave up for him. I don't think it's reasonable to assume Glen Taylor will go so far into the lux that he'll give Redick a big deal he won't walk away from - same for Pek - and STILL use the MLE.

Finally, I did not say I wanted ORL to do a Derrick Williams for Affalo deal straight up. I have consistently said in many threads that it'd take Williams plus something to get Afflalo.

Do you see Redick leaving the TWolves for a better situation? How many teams out there will let him start? Of those teams, how many have the cap space to spend on him? You seem to have an idea that you will lose him in the offseason. But I'm trying to think of reasons why he would.

How are you coming up with the idea that your cap would exceed the luxury tax? This year it was around $70M.