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Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

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Derrick Williams: Stay or Go?

He didn't pan out and it's time to get value back while we can.
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Keep him! Only letting him go in the perfect deal.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby shrink on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:03 am

Skin wrote:One thing I don't understand is Pek's contract. Don't you guys have another year before you need to give him a new contract? In any case, I still don't see how Pek, Budinger, a non-lottery 1st rounder and Redick take you over the luxury tax, especially when you're subtracting D-Will's contract.


Pek is a restricted free agent after this season. We plan to keep him, so we need to match another team's best offer.

As for going over the lux, here's the numbers:

$14,693,906 Kevin Love
$10,219,420 Andrei Kilenko
$4,687,000 JJ Barea
$4,320,000 Luke Ridnour
$3,678,358 Ricky Rubio
$3,066,667 Alexey Shved
$2,690,875 Greg Steimsma
$2,180,000 Dante Cunningham
$884,293 Malcolm Lee
$46,420,519 MINNESOTA TOTALS

$11,000,000 Pekovic new deal?
$4,000,000 Buddinger new deal?
$1,000,000 MIN/MEM new deal?
$7,000,000 Redick new deal - must outbid all offers
$5,150,000 MLE
$74,570,519 TOTAL 2013 SALARY

The lux may go up, but the last few years it's been $70.3 mil.

Your next step would be to eliminate contracts, but even that's tough. Steimsma's not guaranteed, but we'd need "somebody" as a back-up center. Pek is looking like he may get an offer for more than $11 mil, and outbidding all offers for Redick might be north of $7. Your trade may require us to trade Ridnour or Barea and demand that we get an expiring, which is also limiting. We could not use the MLE, but it wastes an annual opportunity to add talent to the team without giving up anything but money -- a better alternative than trading an asset like Williams.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby [RCG] on Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:48 pm

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Ridnour for an expiring - or Barea.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby Esohny on Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:29 pm

[RCG] wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to trading Ridnour for an expiring - or Barea.


Nope. The PG ranks need to be trimmed down by at least 1 (maybe 2 players).

As for the costs above, I really doubt that AK47 opts in to his 2nd year. He'll opt out and go for a longer term deal, which I would expect that the Wolves could give him for a lower yearly salary. And then there's Redick; I doubt he gets above 7 million a season.

Not that it matters. I don't have much faith in a meaningful in-season trade anyway.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby theGreatRC on Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:06 pm

No trading JJ or Luke until Rubio strings together 5-8 good games in a row, showing flashes of his normal self: Energetic, pesky defender and elite passer.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby Klomp on Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:20 pm

theGreatRC wrote:No trading JJ or Luke until Rubio strings together 5-8 good games in a row, showing flashes of his normal self: Energetic, pesky defender and elite passer.

I agree. And I don't see that happening before the trade deadline at this rate.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby shrink on Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:54 pm

Darren Wolfson twitter wrote: I'll add this on DWill value: Suns/Rockets/Spurs/LAL loved him entering draft. Maybe solo he fetches a lot w/ them. Just doubt Orl.


Good place to start trades.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby theGreatRC on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:04 pm

Let's see, players that I would take on those teams:

Suns: Dudley, Brown
Rockets: Nobody worth D-Will
Spurs: Leonard (I want him on this team so bad)
Lakers: ehh...
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby Klomp on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:07 pm

theGreatRC wrote:Spurs: Leonard (I want him on this team so bad)

Triust me, I feel the same way.

Ultimately, it would likely be a Danny Green trade
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby pad300 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:14 am

For those looking for a spurs DWilliams trade. Free info, you can forget about Kawhi. Unless you are willing to include a first, you can forget about Green - he's in their starting line up for a reason, and they think they have a shot this year. Start thinking about Bonner, Blair, Gary Neal (maybe), Curtis Joseph, and other prospects (Nando de Colo maybe)...Sjax maybe (but at $10 million of expiring, they will want more for the salary cap space than just DWilliams).
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby Klomp on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:22 am

pad300 wrote:For those looking for a spurs DWilliams trade. Free info, you can forget about Kawhi. Unless you are willing to include a first, you can forget about Green - he's in their starting line up for a reason, and they think they have a shot this year. Start thinking about Bonner, Blair, Gary Neal (maybe), Curtis Joseph, and other prospects (Nando de Colo maybe)...Sjax maybe (but at $10 million of expiring, they will want more for the salary cap space than just DWilliams).

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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby theGreatRC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:24 am

pad300 wrote:For those looking for a spurs DWilliams trade. Free info, you can forget about Kawhi. Unless you are willing to include a first, you can forget about Green - he's in their starting line up for a reason, and they think they have a shot this year. Start thinking about Bonner, Blair, Gary Neal (maybe), Curtis Joseph, and other prospects (Nando de Colo maybe)...Sjax maybe (but at $10 million of expiring, they will want more for the salary cap space than just DWilliams).



How kind of you. :roll:

Gary Neal has been trash outside of a few good games this season, trying to create more for himself rather than going back to what made him so great last year, which was a spot up shooter.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby Mattya on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:27 am

pad300 wrote:For those looking for a spurs DWilliams trade. Free info, you can forget about Kawhi. Unless you are willing to include a first, you can forget about Green - he's in their starting line up for a reason, and they think they have a shot this year. Start thinking about Bonner, Blair, Gary Neal (maybe), Curtis Joseph, and other prospects (Nando de Colo maybe)...Sjax maybe (but at $10 million of expiring, they will want more for the salary cap space than just DWilliams).


Well then there is nothing to talk about.
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby The J Rocka on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:43 am

pad300 wrote:For those looking for a Wolves Parker trade. Free info, you can forget about Love. Unless you are willing to include a first, you can forget about Pekovic - he's in their starting line up for a reason, and they think they have a shot this year. Start thinking about Stiemsma, Cunningham, Barea (maybe), Ridnour, and other prospects (Bjelica's rights maybe)...Roy maybe (but at $5 million that may look to be an expiring with little-to-none guaranteed next season, they will want more for the salary cap space than just Parker).
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby mmmdk on Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:45 pm

Derrick Williams is a tweener, granted, but so is Thaddeus Young and Thad's doing really well. But why does Adelman want to turn Williams into a shooter? Williams may be a tweener but is athletic & stronger than coaching staff acknowledges and hence Williams himself. Williams was draftes a wee bit too high but he's not being developped AT ALL by Adelman; I've lost all respect for Adelman - he's the truely overrated one!
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Re: Derrick Williams: Time to Move On?

Postby Klomp on Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:47 pm

mmmdk wrote:Derrick Williams is a tweener, granted, but so is Thaddeus Young and Thad's doing really well. But why does Adelman want to turn Williams into a shooter? Williams may be a tweener but is athletic & stronger than coaching staff acknowledges and hence Williams himself. Williams was draftes a wee bit too high but he's not being developped AT ALL by Adelman; I've lost all respect for Adelman - he's the truely overrated one!

If you watched him drive and finish, you'd know why
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