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Post#151 » by NewWolvesOrder » Sun Jan 6, 2013 11:21 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:Shved is a better defender? you are out of line!


on defense Shved>>>>Luke. FACT.
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#152 » by Klomp » Sun Jan 6, 2013 11:26 pm

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Devilzsidewalk wrote:Shved is a better defender? you are out of line!


on defense Shved>>>>Luke. FACT.

The wording made it look like you thought Shved > Rubio on defense
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Post#153 » by zubinho » Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:16 pm

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Post#154 » by zubinho » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:56 am

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Post#155 » by Murphs56 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:03 am

Shved is very confused when he's in the air trying to make decisions. It usually always leads to a turnover
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#156 » by NewWolvesOrder » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:21 am

Murphs56 wrote:Shved is very confused when he's in the air trying to make decisions. It usually always leads to a turnover


Who's doing knuckle pushups in your avatar?
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#157 » by lothy » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:12 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:
Murphs56 wrote:Shved is very confused when he's in the air trying to make decisions. It usually always leads to a turnover


Who's doing knuckle pushups in your avatar?

Actually he's doing elbow pushups :lol:
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#158 » by zubinho » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:31 pm

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Post#159 » by shrink » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:01 pm

I found this post pretty interesting from a Russian visitor to rube chat

FromRussiaWithLove wrote:Here is link for original article: http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/tran ... 09439.html

You can try to read it through translator but I'm afraid it will be hard to understand, online translators are not really good for russian language.

I won't translate it full but I'll post here most interesting conclusions and numbers.

Author made some serious analytic work and his main point that Rubio and Shved don't have good connection at the moment when they are both on the court and he is not sure that it will become better soon. Rubio doesn't consider Shved as the one of priority addresses to assist in attack and he prefers to give ball to other guys. When Rubio is on the court he always runs the attack ball so if he doesn't pass to Shved - then Shved doesn't have really good chances to attack the basket. In this article there are some examples (screenshots) when Rubio prefers to pass the ball to other guys even when Shved is obviously the best possible option (wide open).

Author proves this thesis with a stat. Rubio and Shved played 68 minutes together and Rubio assisted only twice (2!) on Shved's scores. 1 assist in 34 minutes of playing time.

For comparison, Rubio has 7 assists on Barea's scores while they played together almost same time (76 minutes) and Barea averages a little less ppg then Shved.

Rubio as a PG doesn't use Shved as a scoring threat.

And we all know Rubio prefers to handle the ball when possible untill he finds good option for an assists (pass on score chance) so Shved doesn't have really much opportunity to make assists while they are playing together.

That means as it goes now it's almost useless to play Shved and Rubio in the same time.

As a project "Shrubio" looks exciting but as it goes now it's waste of Shved to playing him with Rubio. :(

I hope it will change because their pairing may be really extremely dangerous and very entertaining but looks like some tactics should be changed to let this happen.

Another sick stat from that article - Rubio has only 2 assists on Pek in 79 minutes (!). One assist in almost 40 minutes on your center who is very good under the rim. Wow. I was very surprised to see that. Rubio should use him more. For comparison Rubio has 11 assists on Williams in 83 minutes or 4 assists in 55 mins on Steamer (!).

Here are assists rates for Rubio:

Williams - 11 assistss on 83 mins (1 assist in 7.55 mins)
Barea - 7 assists on 76 mins (1 assist in 10,86 mins)
Ridnour - 3 assists on 27 mins (1 assist in 9 mins)
Steamer - 4 assists on 55 mins (1 assist in 13,75 mins)
Love - 2 assists on 29 mins (1 assist in 14,5 mins)
Dante - 4 assists on 77 mins (1 assists in 19,25 mins)
AK - 2 assists in 49 mins (1 assist in 24,5 mins)
Shved - 2 assists in 68 mins (1 assist in 34 mins)
Pek - 2 assists in 79 mins (1 assist in 39,5 mins)

Here are assist rates for Shved:
(he has much more assists and more players so I'll just post per minute for him)

AK (suprise surprise :)) - 1 assist in 13,32 mins
Bud - 1 assist in 16,40 mins
Pek - 1 assist in 17,17 mins
Williams - 1 assist in 21,80 mins
Dante - 1 assist in 24,33 mins
Lee - 1 assist in 26,33 mins
Ridnour - 1 assist in 27,61 mins
Howard - 1 assist in 30,5 mins
Love - 1 assist in 32,45 mins
Steamer - 1 assist in 46,20 mins
Barea - 1 assist in 55,14 mins
Amudson - 1 assist in 102 mins.

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That was very interesting stats and read for me. I hope you liked that too.
A lot of things to think about...
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Post#160 » by Gideon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:41 pm

I don't really know the specifics of how margin of error and sample-size requirements work... but I think that's just way too small a sample size with Rubio/Shved (or Rubio/Pek) to conclude anything from.

Don't get me wrong... it's still interesting to read, and I appreciate you posting it. However, I think we can't really tell anything yet.

I also have a hard time imagining Rubio basically freezing out Shved (or Pek). Every PG has favorite players to set-up, but Rubio doesn't seem like he would be deliberately screw people over by refusing to pass to them. Deron Williams used to do that with AK (and a couple of other players) on Utah -- basically he would just never feed AK and always look for certain players no matter what, which was really frustrating... Williams had the sort of attitude where that fit, though. Rubio seems like a really nice guy who gets along with everybody... I bet the stats will even out.

Come on, Ricky... let's get a bunch of assists to Shved and Pek tonight!
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Post#161 » by marty264 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:19 pm

Does anyone know the rate for Barea and Ridnour assisting Shved?
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#162 » by zubinho » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:46 pm

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Post#163 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:57 am

Gideon wrote:I don't really know the specifics of how margin of error and sample-size requirements work... but I think that's just way too small a sample size with Rubio/Shved (or Rubio/Pek) to conclude anything from.

Don't get me wrong... it's still interesting to read, and I appreciate you posting it. However, I think we can't really tell anything yet.

I also have a hard time imagining Rubio basically freezing out Shved (or Pek). Every PG has favorite players to set-up, but Rubio doesn't seem like he would be deliberately screw people over by refusing to pass to them. Deron Williams used to do that with AK (and a couple of other players) on Utah -- basically he would just never feed AK and always look for certain players no matter what, which was really frustrating... Williams had the sort of attitude where that fit, though. Rubio seems like a really nice guy who gets along with everybody... I bet the stats will even out.

Come on, Ricky... let's get a bunch of assists to Shved and Pek tonight!


Shved hasn't been a catch and shoot player so far. He can create for himself, but he hasn't looked natural playing off the ball and getting himself open and spotting up in the right spots.
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#164 » by Murphs56 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:32 am

Turnover_21 wrote:
Murphs56 wrote:Shved is very confused when he's in the air trying to make decisions. It usually always leads to a turnover


Who's doing knuckle pushups in your avatar?


This was post the first injury. I thought he would be in shape :(
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Post#165 » by Murphs56 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:32 am

Shved has hit that Rookie Wall HARD by the way. I mean the dude looks spent. Unfortunately, we have absolutely no depth
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Post#166 » by MagnusPinus » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:14 pm

exactly.. he hit the wall.. honestly I would have kept him off the bench.. so now, we should make him our six man that can sparkle a little bit our second unit
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#167 » by Klomp » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:46 pm

Honestly, I think/hope that soon we will see

Rubio/Ridnour/Kirilenko/Williams/Pekovic
Barea/Shved/Cunningham/Stiemsma
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Post#168 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:01 pm

Klomp wrote:Honestly, I think/hope that soon we will see

Rubio/Ridnour/Kirilenko/Williams/Pekovic
Barea/Shved/Cunningham/Stiemsma


With only these 9 guys i don't think alternating the line ups is going to do much. I think we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Shved, AK, and Luke are all looking worn out from having to carry the load too long.
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#169 » by Klomp » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:16 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Klomp wrote:Honestly, I think/hope that soon we will see

Rubio/Ridnour/Kirilenko/Williams/Pekovic
Barea/Shved/Cunningham/Stiemsma


With only these 9 guys i don't think alternating the line ups is going to do much. I think we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Shved, AK, and Luke are all looking worn out from having to carry the load too long.

The thing that will change is as Rubio's minutes increase, someone else's will decrease. Shved being an obvious candidate. Also Williams is more capable of big minutes than Cunningham IMO. It puts those two back in roles they are comfortable in. That's what alternating the lineups can do.
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Re: The Shved Thread! 

Post#170 » by C.lupus » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:21 pm

Hopefully they will bring in JellyBall or someone similar who will be more capable of spelling AK as well.
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