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Post#46 Re: Alexey Shved
Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:12 pm by Basti

Can't remember how Manu was a rookie but I'm sure he already was the great finisher around the rim back then. Not to mention the handle of his.

I'd say Alexey is Manu-lite talent-wise. He's got quite the way to go.
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Post#47 Re: Alexey Shved
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:46 am by Klomp

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Post#48 Re: Alexey Shved
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:21 am by Turnover_21

Am I the only one who is skeptical about Rubio-Shved backcourt ? Both are unselfish players and can coexist on the floor but Shved may not be as effective on the court with Rubio as he maybe with a player like Ridnour. Alexey is at his best when he has the ball in his hands a lot and looks passive when is forced to play off the ball.

I think Shved looked bad when he played with Barea who tends to dominate the ball. And I'm not surprised that he had his best career game when he was given a lot minutes next to Ridnour who just brings the ball up the court then passes it to Shved and lets him create.

Rubio is not nearly ball dominant as Barea. But I think that him and Shved should be separated as much as possible. Shved coming off the bench to play with Ridnour, Barea probably traded and preferably for a good shooting SG who can start next to Rubio, may be someone like Courtney Lee or Redick or Danny Green, basically someone on a cheapish contract.

So the backcourt looks like this

Rubio(34)/Ridnour(14)
shooter(20)/Shved(28)

Play Shved like Ginobili and hopefully it will keep his next contract down.
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Post#49 Re: Alexey Shved
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:24 pm by moss_is_1

Turnover_21 wrote:Am I the only one who is skeptical about Rubio-Shved backcourt ? Both are unselfish players and can coexist on the floor but Shved may not be as effective on the court with Rubio as he maybe with a player like Ridnour. Alexey is at his best when he has the ball in his hands a lot and looks passive when is forced to play off the ball.

I think Shved looked bad when he played with Barea who tends to dominate the ball. And I'm not surprised that he had his best career game when he was given a lot minutes next to Ridnour who just brings the ball up the court then passes it to Shved and lets him create.

Rubio is not nearly ball dominant as Barea. But I think that him and Shved should be separated as much as possible. Shved coming off the bench to play with Ridnour, Barea probably traded and preferably for a good shooting SG who can start next to Rubio, may be someone like Courtney Lee or Redick or Danny Green, basically someone on a cheapish contract.

So the backcourt looks like this

Rubio(34)/Ridnour(14)
shooter(20)/Shved(28)

Play Shved like Ginobili and hopefully it will keep his next contract down.

I would agree with that. Shved ideally could play the 6th man role for us, but he can learn to play with Rubio/Love eventually...He's just doing what he's comfortable with right now. He still hasn't gotten his jump to fall like he would want, Rubio should be able to help there. He gives us someone who we can ISO at the end of the clock hopefully as well.
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Post#50 Re: Alexey Shved
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:53 pm by Klomp

Turnover_21 wrote:Am I the only one who is skeptical about Rubio-Shved backcourt ? Both are unselfish players and can coexist on the floor but Shved may not be as effective on the court with Rubio as he maybe with a player like Ridnour. Alexey is at his best when he has the ball in his hands a lot and looks passive when is forced to play off the ball.

I think Shved looked bad when he played with Barea who tends to dominate the ball. And I'm not surprised that he had his best career game when he was given a lot minutes next to Ridnour who just brings the ball up the court then passes it to Shved and lets him create.

Rubio is not nearly ball dominant as Barea. But I think that him and Shved should be separated as much as possible. Shved coming off the bench to play with Ridnour, Barea probably traded and preferably for a good shooting SG who can start next to Rubio, may be someone like Courtney Lee or Redick or Danny Green, basically someone on a cheapish contract.

So the backcourt looks like this

Rubio(34)/Ridnour(14)
shooter(20)/Shved(28)

Play Shved like Ginobili and hopefully it will keep his next contract down.

If Rick Adelman wasn't our coach, I might agree with you.
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Post#51 Re: Alexey Shved
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:04 pm by LordBaldric

How about we actually try playing Shved and Rubio together before reaching any conclusions?
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Post#52 Re: Alexey Shved
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:26 pm by moss_is_1

Basti wrote:Can't remember how Manu was a rookie but I'm sure he already was the great finisher around the rim back then. Not to mention the handle of his.

I'd say Alexey is Manu-lite talent-wise. He's got quite the way to go.

Gino rookie year: 7.6 points, 2.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1 steal -- 43 / 34 / 73 -- 14.7 PER 20.7 minutes

Shved so far: 10.4 points, 3.1 rebounds, 4.2 assists, .3 steal -- 38 / 24 / 82 -- 17.1 PER -- 23 minutes


I didn't realized Shved's numbers were that good already. He's going to raise those %'s up hopefully, the FT% being that good helps me feel better about that.
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Post#53 Re: Alexey Shved
Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:41 pm by Esohny

LordBaldric wrote:How about we actually try playing Shved and Rubio together before reaching any conclusions?


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Post#54 Re: Alexey Shved
Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:15 pm by Klomp

All rookies have learning curves, but this particular situation is not the norm. Shved is getting opportunities to spark the Wolves off the bench right now more out of necessity than anything else. With the team battling early-season injuries, including Monday’s news that Brandon Roy underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right knee, Shved’s minutes have increased. He’s spending an average of nearly 29 minutes on the floor over his past four games as opposed to around 18 minutes in his first five.

With those increased minutes have come more opportunities to both succeed and fall short on both ends of the court. He’s done both, but he continues to be a factor in keeping this back court together, and regardless of outcome he’s been on the floor during crunch time moments throughout his first two weeks.

“He really adds a lot of value to our team,” forward Derrick Williams said. “Without him, we wouldn’t be in a lot of games. We’ve been in the last few because of his play and him knocking down shots.”

These early-season lessons could be valuable for Shved and for the Wolves later on when the team regains its health and tries to make a push at a postseason run. In the first game of the season he was on the court for 4:26 of the fourth quarter. Over the last eight games, he’s played all but 2:28 of the team’s fourth quarter minutes.


Coach Rick Adelman has said he normally doesn’t like seeing young players leave their feet and make plays in the air, but Shved seems to have a feel for how to do just that. Not every play results in a highlight-reel—some end in lost possessions—but others get his teammates open looks or momentum-shifting baskets.

“It’s not something you want to teach, it’s not textbook as far as him leaving the floor all the time and trying to find passes,” assistant coach Terry Porter said. “But he seems to have a very good knack for it, that he can see over the floor at times and it’s been great.”

Shved said there is a comfort level with this team that makes those plays easier to execute.

“I feel comfortable because we have a great atmosphere here and everybody helps me—the coach, players. For me that’s important,” Shved said. “I like to play basketball, and I like to play aggressive every time.”




Whether he’s succeeded or failed on a given play, he’s been part of the Wolves’ plans down the stretch. And that’s with an injury-plagued roster. Adelman said when the rest of the team returns, particularly Rubio and the way he distributes the ball, guys like Shved will get more regular open looks.

“It will be fun, man,” Williams said. “When we get all of our guys back, we’re going to be a dangerous team. We’re already dangerous now; we’ve lost a few in a row but we’re hanging in there and that’s what coach likes to see.”

Shved is right in the middle of that equation. Learning and getting valuable minutes could go a long way in the rookie’s development throughout this season.

“It’s been good for him just to be able to get out there and just play,” Ridnour said. “Play through mistakes and just keep getting the ball and keep making plays. He’s done a really good job.”


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Post#55 Re: Alexey Shved
Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:44 pm by younggunsmn

Shved/Rubio, I don't care how much they play together, but one of the 2 should be on the floor at all times.

You put a legitimate scoring and shooting threat like Love out there and Shved is going to have even more space to work with. He's looked really good on his set shots, his shooting efficiency should improve quite a bit when he's not forced to take so many long jumpers off the dribble because he's not playing with any other scorers.
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Post#56 Re: Alexey Shved
Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:10 pm by Mattya

Thank god we got this guy. Without him we would not be were we are at. He is a perfect fit with our core too.
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Post#57 Re: Alexey Shved
Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:44 am by Tekkenlaw

Mattya wrote:Thank god we got this guy. Without him we would not be were we are at. He is a perfect fit with our core too.

I thought the Wolves might be doomed to 5 years of mediocrity then a rebuild with the Love-Rubio core when it looked like Williams wasn't going to pan out since we wouldn't be getting anymore decent picks, but then Shved came in and unexpectedly showed us he could fill that void as the 3rd guy behind Rubio and Love and has looked like a top 5 pick himself, he is much better than I expected, and if Williams does end up panning out that's just all the better.
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Post#58 Re: Alexey Shved
Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:55 am by C.lupus

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Mattya wrote:Thank god we got this guy. Without him we would not be were we are at. He is a perfect fit with our core too.

I thought the Wolves might be doomed to 5 years of mediocrity then a rebuild with the Love-Rubio core when it looked like Williams wasn't going to pan out since we wouldn't be getting anymore decent picks, but then Shved came in and unexpectedly showed us he could fill that void as the 3rd guy behind Rubio and Love and has looked like a top 5 pick himself, he is much better than I expected, and if Williams does end up panning out that's just all the better.

Don't forget Pek, too, but, yeah, I agree. If Williams doesn't pan out, there's always Bjelica over in Europe, too. He could make a nice, reasonably-priced apprentice to AK47 next year. Move Williams for a SG of some sort and they look pretty promising for the near future.
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Post#59 Re: Alexey Shved
Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:00 pm by Turnover_21

C.lupus wrote:Don't forget Pek, too, but, yeah, I agree. If Williams doesn't pan out, there's always Bjelica over in Europe, too. He could make a nice, reasonably-priced apprentice to AK47 next year. Move Williams for a SG of some sort and they look pretty promising for the near future.



Bjelica is not in the same league as AK. I don't even think it's possible to find another Kirilenko as he's vey unique player. I think we should keep him as long as possible and as long as we can afford him. Once Rubio and Shved get into their next contract(in 3 years time) we will have Love, Pek, Ricky, Shved who would combine around 50 mil. so it will be tough to afford AK and a decent bench. i just don't see them paying LT, not under the new scale.
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Post#60 Re: Alexey Shved
Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:27 pm by C.lupus

I wasn't implying that Bjelica was in the same league as AK, just that he would be a reasonably-priced apprentice. I agree with the finances. I think they are going to be able to afford probably three max-near max guys and maybe one more close to that, then have a bunch of cheaper role players. I hope they can afford to keep AK until he retires but they may have to part ways after next year if he wants another $10M per contract.
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Post#61 Re: Alexey Shved
Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:06 pm by Basti

It might be a small sample size but AK doesn't seem to be too money driven to me given that he gave his last year's salary to charity when he was playing for CSKA. I'd bet he'd easily resign for less money if he can have the same role as he has now.
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Post#62 Re: Alexey Shved
Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:41 pm by Turnover_21

C.lupus wrote:I wasn't implying that Bjelica was in the same league as AK, just that he would be a reasonably-priced apprentice. I agree with the finances. I think they are going to be able to afford probably three max-near max guys and maybe one more close to that, then have a bunch of cheaper role players. I hope they can afford to keep AK until he retires but they may have to part ways after next year if he wants another $10M per contract.


I think Bjelica has no business guarding NBA SFs on the perimeter. He should play 4. As for AK, if we can't agree on a reasonable multi-year deal I would offer him a big one year extention before Rubio and Shved go for pay raise. Not sure if it's legal though.
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Post#63 Re: Alexey Shved
Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:13 pm by Klomp



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Post#64 Re: Alexey Shved
Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:50 pm by Klomp

From Britt Robson:
Shved has become a favorite among a sizable contingent of both casual fans and hoop diehards from the media and the peanut gallery. I’ve been a skeptical curmudgeon of his game, for reasons that are silly and/or aesthetic, as well as some that are well-grounded. But given the paucity of quality options, including the defensively horrid prospect of resurrecting last season’s pint-sized combo of Barea and Luke Ridnour on the court together once Barea recovers from his sprained foot, I think Shved deserves the chance to handle a plurality of minutes at shooting guard until Budinger returns.

Shved, who will turn 24 next month, has a raw but intriguing skill set that is complicated by his basketball experience and his physical dimensions, both of which are fairly anomalous, compared with most of his NBA counterparts. He has played extensively as a point guard on the international stage, most notably teaming with Kirilenko to lead Russia to a bronze medal in last summer’s Olympics. And at 6-6 tall and 190 pounds, his lean, gangly frame can create matchup problems for both him and his opponents.

The general book on Shved coming into this season was that he was a poor defender but a deft passer and a solid outside shooter with unselfish, ball-sharing inclinations. During his first nine games with the Wolves, he has pretty much made a hash out of those assessments but overall has been a catalyst for more good things than bad that have happened on the court.

My biggest legitimate gripes with his game thus far are his shot selection and his maddening, chronic habit of unnecessarily leaving his feet while making a pass off the dribble. Among Minnesota’s top dozen players in minutes, only Derrick Williams shoots more frequently than Shved, and nobody on the team chucks it up from long distance more often. Given that Shved’s shooting percentage is 24.3 percent from three-point territory and 38.3 percent overall, that gunner’s mentality is problematic, and reflects his splashy, “hero ball” inclinations not only when shooting, but in his flashy proclivity to drive to the hoop and then go in the air to feed his teammates off the dribble.

But there are virtues within those vices. No doubt bolstered by his international success, Shved relishes the pressure of crunch time, and actually improves his play (albeit compared to the low bar set by his non crunch-time performance). According to his “clutch” statistics at nba.com, he doubles his shot frequency while raising his shooting accuracy from 38 percent to 55 percent in the clutch, mostly by going inside.

Now “clutch” situations produce a ridiculously small sample size — 14 minutes — so let’s expand it to Shved’s fourth quarter performance. Since Shved helped lead the way in a thrilling fourth-quarter comeback against Brooklyn in the third game of the season, Adelman has deployed him all but 81 seconds out of a possible 94 minutes in those final stanzas. He has responded with a higher shooting percentage (43.1), three-point percentage (33.3) and assist-to-turnover ratio (2.71 to 1) than in the earlier quarters.

Shved does have a proclivity for being a ball-stopper; for taking his time to survey the half-court situation before reacting with a pass or shot. That’s one reason why Adelman prefers to pair him with another ball-handler who can do some of the initiation and get Shved accustomed to going with, as opposed to always initiating, the flow. Adelman has been steadfast in his belief that Shved is by nature a solid long-range shooter who will inevitably start converting those three-pointers. If so, his value will soar in the Wolves offense.

In disagreements with the coach, I defer to his greater wisdom. That said, I need to see it to believe that Shved can be reliable from three-point territory and don’t mind him running the point when Rubio is on the shelf. His size makes him look relatively slow and clumsy on the dribble, but longer strides create quickness and smaller opponents are going to have trouble getting into his path for the poke-steals that his handle seems to invite.

It remains to be seen whether Shved can sustain even this promising level of success once scouts suss his habits (especially those airborne passes) and begin to press his weaknesses. Defensively, he’s been a mixed bag, with his size again mitigating some of his flaws in positioning and help rotations.

But among the options over the next month, the Barea-Ridnour pairing is a diminutive disaster defensively, Lee lacks NBA ability (though has some value via hard work on the defensive end), and Howard shoots way too frequently. Relying on a cocky rookie with some notable flaws for major minutes is not a recipe for playoff contention. But with Roy out for a month (and diminished when he returns) and Budinger gone for three or four months, Shved is the necessary gamble at shooting guard.


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Post#65 Re: Alexey Shved
Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:53 pm by Gunny

This guy is awesome. I hope he gets a chance to play in the Rookie Challenge or whatever it's called now.



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