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Post#196 » by shrink » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:10 pm

I think for trade value it goes Reddick < Williams < Afflalo.

Williams upside is worth a shot for ORL, so for ORL fans, I'd say offer a little more value if you use Reddick, or ask for a little more value if you use Afflalo.
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#197 » by C.lupus » Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:39 am

The more I think about this, the more I'm liking Redick's fit over Afflalo. Shved is coming along nicely, though he is still up and down, and could be ready to take the starters reigns next season or later this season. Redick has a short deal and the two are putting up surprisingly similar stats (and better than Afflalo).
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#198 » by [RCG] » Mon Dec 3, 2012 2:27 am

C.lupus wrote:The more I think about this, the more I'm liking Redick's fit over Afflalo. Shved is coming along nicely, though he is still up and down, and could be ready to take the starters reigns next season or later this season. Redick has a short deal and the two are putting up surprisingly similar stats (and better than Afflalo).
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agreed. Shved's defense has been better than advertised and his playmaking has been phenomenal.
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#199 » by Murphs56 » Mon Dec 3, 2012 3:47 am

Anyone watching Afflalo against the Lakers tonight? Playing some good D, 14 points at the half
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Post#200 » by Murphs56 » Mon Dec 3, 2012 4:51 am

Afflalo 30 points right now. Magic up by 10 on the Lakers with 2 minutes to go
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#201 » by Tirion » Mon Dec 3, 2012 5:42 am

shrink wrote:I think for trade value it goes Reddick < Williams < Afflalo.

Williams upside is worth a shot for ORL, so for ORL fans, I'd say offer a little more value if you use Reddick, or ask for a little more value if you use Afflalo.


I think you're delusional. I think D-Will's value is in a toilet or rapidly approaching it, the same as Wes and Jonny's were. I think Orlando GM laughs at Williams for Redick proposition.
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Post#202 » by [RCG] » Mon Dec 3, 2012 6:42 am

Tirion wrote:
shrink wrote:I think for trade value it goes Reddick < Williams < Afflalo.

Williams upside is worth a shot for ORL, so for ORL fans, I'd say offer a little more value if you use Reddick, or ask for a little more value if you use Afflalo.


I think you're delusional. I think D-Will's value is in a toilet or rapidly approaching it, the same as Wes and Jonny's were. I think Orlando GM laughs at Williams for Redick proposition.


If you've seen Derrick Williams at all you know he's much better than Wes or Jonny. :lol:
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Post#203 » by Tirion » Mon Dec 3, 2012 6:47 am

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shrink wrote:I think for trade value it goes Reddick < Williams < Afflalo.

Williams upside is worth a shot for ORL, so for ORL fans, I'd say offer a little more value if you use Reddick, or ask for a little more value if you use Afflalo.


I think you're delusional. I think D-Will's value is in a toilet or rapidly approaching it, the same as Wes and Jonny's were. I think Orlando GM laughs at Williams for Redick proposition.


If you've seen Derrick Williams at all you know he's much better than Wes or Jonny. :lol:


What does he has over Wes?
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#204 » by The J Rocka » Mon Dec 3, 2012 6:48 am

No more talks of getting AA. It's not going to happen, especially with Williams as the centerpiece of any deal.

Pretty much Redick or GTFO.
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Post#205 » by AQuintus » Mon Dec 3, 2012 7:00 am

The J Rocka wrote:No more talks of getting AA. It's not going to happen, especially with Williams as the centerpiece of any deal.

Pretty much Redick or GTFO.


Either we could have gotten Afllalo or we couldn't have. One good game doesn't make a difference.
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#206 » by Murphs56 » Mon Dec 3, 2012 8:45 am

I believe Reddick is a free agent after this year. It wouldn't make sense to do that deal
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#207 » by shrink » Mon Dec 3, 2012 12:44 pm

Tirion wrote:
shrink wrote:I think for trade value it goes Reddick < Williams < Afflalo.

Williams upside is worth a shot for ORL, so for ORL fans, I'd say offer a little more value if you use Reddick, or ask for a little more value if you use Afflalo.


I think you're delusional. I think D-Will's value is in a toilet or rapidly approaching it, the same as Wes and Jonny's were. I think Orlando GM laughs at Williams for Redick proposition.

The J Rocka wrote:No more talks of getting AA. It's not going to happen, especially with Williams as the centerpiece of any deal.

Pretty much Redick or GTFO.

FWIW, lots of neutral people on the trade board think that a deal based on Williams for Afflalo makes sense. I think it'll take a little more, but Afflalo is far from an NBA star.
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Post#208 » by tranjSAIC » Mon Dec 3, 2012 4:00 pm

Would you guys be interested in a Redick/Afflalo trade for Williams/Shev? or however you spell his name.

You guys get two very solid 2 guards since your competing and we get to tank better with some promising young players.
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Post#209 » by shrink » Mon Dec 3, 2012 4:21 pm

tranjSAIC wrote:Would you guys be interested in a Redick/Afflalo trade for Williams/Shev? or however you spell his name.

You guys get two very solid 2 guards since your competing and we get to tank better with some promising young players.


I think Shved probably has more value to us than you - perhaps that's sentimental. However, we'd probably do Redick + for Williams, or Williams + for Afflalo.
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Post#210 » by tranjSAIC » Mon Dec 3, 2012 4:34 pm

shrink wrote:
I think Shved probably has more value to us than you - perhaps that's sentimental. However, we'd probably do Redick + for Williams, or Williams + for Afflalo.


It just doesn't make sense to have Afflalo and Redick for us, but you guys I think it does. I'm not sure a Williams for Afflalo is enough for our GM, thats why I threw in Redick. Since he is expiring we get another young player with potential in Shved. Maybe that would be enough to entice our GM.

Damn I wish I knew if our GM wanted full tank mode or what.
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#211 » by Mattya » Mon Dec 3, 2012 4:53 pm

I have very little interest in trading Shved.
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#212 » by C.lupus » Mon Dec 3, 2012 4:56 pm

I think it is pretty unlikely that Shved gets moved. He's looking like a legit talent, is young, is on a good contract, and is one of Kahn's guys. One of Afflalo or Redick would be a great addition but we don't need both.
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Post#213 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Dec 3, 2012 5:11 pm

tranjSAIC wrote:
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I think Shved probably has more value to us than you - perhaps that's sentimental. However, we'd probably do Redick + for Williams, or Williams + for Afflalo.


It just doesn't make sense to have Afflalo and Redick for us, but you guys I think it does. I'm not sure a Williams for Afflalo is enough for our GM, thats why I threw in Redick. Since he is expiring we get another young player with potential in Shved. Maybe that would be enough to entice our GM.

Damn I wish I knew if our GM wanted full tank mode or what.

I think it wouldn't really make much sense for us either. We already have a logjam at the SG spot, and then we'd be bringing in 2 more guys that are at least spot-starters and deserve minutes. We saw last year that Adelman likes to go small in the backcourt with Rubio and one of Ridnour/Barea as well. If Redick/Afflalo could play better at PG/SF then it wouldn't be as big of a deal...but they really can't.
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Re: We need a body at the wing Suggestions? 

Post#214 » by C.lupus » Mon Dec 3, 2012 5:30 pm

Wait, what? We have a logjam at SG? News to me. Last time I checked we had Malcolm Lee and Shved. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on last year, either. Adelman didn't have much in the way of options at SG (Johnson and Ellington). He does like having two guards who can handle the ball but I don't think he is married to the idea of ridnour or Barea being that second guard.
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Post#215 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Dec 3, 2012 5:33 pm

C.lupus wrote:Wait, what? We have a logjam at SG? News to me. Last time I checked we had Malcolm Lee and Shved. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on last year, either. Adelman didn't have much in the way of options at SG (Johnson and Ellington). He does like having two guards who can handle the ball but I don't think he is married to the idea of ridnour or Barea being that second guard.

I didn't really mean we did right now....but in the future. Budinger/Roy will be back this season, Shved has shown he needs minutes as well. If we traded Shved/Dwill for 2 more SGs we would definitely have a logjam.

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