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I have very little interest in trading Shved.

I think it is pretty unlikely that Shved gets moved. He's looking like a legit talent, is young, is on a good contract, and is one of Kahn's guys. One of Afflalo or Redick would be a great addition but we don't need both.

tranjSAIC wrote:

shrink wrote:
I think Shved probably has more value to us than you - perhaps that's sentimental. However, we'd probably do Redick + for Williams, or Williams + for Afflalo.

It just doesn't make sense to have Afflalo and Redick for us, but you guys I think it does. I'm not sure a Williams for Afflalo is enough for our GM, thats why I threw in Redick. Since he is expiring we get another young player with potential in Shved. Maybe that would be enough to entice our GM.

Damn I wish I knew if our GM wanted full tank mode or what.

I think it wouldn't really make much sense for us either. We already have a logjam at the SG spot, and then we'd be bringing in 2 more guys that are at least spot-starters and deserve minutes. We saw last year that Adelman likes to go small in the backcourt with Rubio and one of Ridnour/Barea as well. If Redick/Afflalo could play better at PG/SF then it wouldn't be as big of a deal...but they really can't.

Wait, what? We have a logjam at SG? News to me. Last time I checked we had Malcolm Lee and Shved. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on last year, either. Adelman didn't have much in the way of options at SG (Johnson and Ellington). He does like having two guards who can handle the ball but I don't think he is married to the idea of ridnour or Barea being that second guard.

C.lupus wrote:Wait, what? We have a logjam at SG? News to me. Last time I checked we had Malcolm Lee and Shved. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on last year, either. Adelman didn't have much in the way of options at SG (Johnson and Ellington). He does like having two guards who can handle the ball but I don't think he is married to the idea of ridnour or Barea being that second guard.

I didn't really mean we did right now....but in the future. Budinger/Roy will be back this season, Shved has shown he needs minutes as well. If we traded Shved/Dwill for 2 more SGs we would definitely have a logjam.

moss_is_1 wrote:

C.lupus wrote:Wait, what? We have a logjam at SG? News to me. Last time I checked we had Malcolm Lee and Shved. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on last year, either. Adelman didn't have much in the way of options at SG (Johnson and Ellington). He does like having two guards who can handle the ball but I don't think he is married to the idea of ridnour or Barea being that second guard.

I didn't really mean we did right now....but in the future. Budinger/Roy will be back this season, Shved has shown he needs minutes as well. If we traded Shved/Dwill for 2 more SGs we would definitely have a logjam.

Bud is more like our AK substitute who can play some SG. With AK's injury history I'm sure Bud will find enough minutes at SF. So we really have Shved at SG and overall lack of shooters.

I guess I don't really see Roy contributing much and I see Budinger as our backup 3 primarily (and he won't be back to game shape till the end of the season). I do agree that we don't need two SGs but I still want to add one so we don't have to rely on Luke and JJ at the 2. I'd be happy with Redick to get us through this season and the playoffs (and maybe re-sign him if he dosn't want too much).

Jason Richardson and Ben Gordon could be two more realistic options.

I think we have a logjam of guys that can play back-up SG minutes for us (Shved, Buddinger, Ridnour, Lee, maybe Roy), but I think Shved is the only guy that may one day become a legit NBA starter. I think Roy will just retire.

Roy is done, Budinger is a back-up 2/3. The only two we have now is Shved & somewhat Howard but he is a minimum $ guy.

Ideally we'd use Williams with one of the back-up PGs to find a starting 2, maybe throw in Amundson as well.

Rubio/X
X/Shved/Lee
Kirilenko/Budinger
Love/Kirilenko/Cunningham
Pekovic/Stiemsma

I'm not going to rule out Tony Allen this upcoming off season. It's more like replacing a flat tire than switching from a Toyota to a Bentley, but I just don't trust Kirilenko's health.

AQuintus wrote:

The J Rocka wrote:No more talks of getting AA. It's not going to happen, especially with Williams as the centerpiece of any deal.

Pretty much Redick or GTFO.

Either we could have gotten Afllalo or we couldn't have. One good game doesn't make a difference.

Maybe when the 2nd pick still held value.

It's not just about one good game anyways. It's pretty much been a pipe dream for sometime now. Names like Stuckey, J-Rich, Ben Gordon, Rip Hamilton, Morrow, etc are SGs that have more of a shot coming here. Getting Afflalo would require us to move Shved + Williams.

C.lupus wrote:I think it is pretty unlikely that Shved gets moved. He's looking like a legit talent, is young, is on a good contract, and is one of Kahn's guys. One of Afflalo or Redick would be a great addition but we don't need both.

Shved definitely strikes me as being one of Kahn's guys. My assumption is that Kahn was the one who made the initial push for the Russian. It really makes me happy though that he seems like one of Adelman's guys too. Of course Shved should be able to thrive in any system given his diverse skill set. That really kind of saved our team when it seemed like every single back court player became infected with the Blazers Bug. As an added bonus, it provides another reason for Kirilenko to stay.

shrink wrote:I think we have a logjam of guys that can play back-up SG minutes for us (Shved, Buddinger, Ridnour, Lee, maybe Roy), but I think Shved is the only guy that may one day become a legit NBA starter. I think Roy will just retire.

I think it's more of a temporary logjam. Ridnour is arguably the most likely candidate to be traded before the offseason (Williams gives him a run for his money). Roy is obviously being Roy. Lee is still on a relatively cheap contract that lasts an additional year, so he really isn't even weighing the team down.

I feel as though Barea, Shved, and Budinger are battling for the minutes that Kirilenko and Rubio do not play.

The perfect starting 2-guard for the wolves would be a guy like Wesley Matthews IMO. Just a solid all around player with no major weaknesses. But the main reason I want him for this team is for his defensive ability. Although there seems to be some bad blood between the Wolves and Blazers. But it'd be awesome to land Matthews using the trade pieces Minny has in Barea/Williams/Ridnour/picks..... A 3rd team is probably needed though.

But this roster would deadly at 100%:

Ricky Rubio - Barea or Ridnour
Wesley Matthews - Alexey Shved - Malcolm Lee
Andrei Kirilenko - Chase Budinger - Josh Howard
Kevin Love - Dante Cunningham - Lou Amundson
Nikola Pekovic - Greg Stiemsma

This team is close....Just need Rubio back and possibly a guy like Matthews.

With Adelman having visions of Rubio/Shved backcourt I I doubt they make a significant move for a SG. I would not be surprised if they go with Rubio & Shved starting and Ridnour, Barea, Lee sharing backup minutes at both positions based on matchups or going with the hot hand.

What do you guys think about Shane Battier? Could we make Heat interested in a trade involving him? I think he's a perfect fit - bbiq, elite defense, hustles, 3 point shooting (especially from corner), 3 mil salary in this and next season, doesn't need to play many minutes so there's minutes for Shved, plays huge under pressure. He's very experienced, has nice attitude and work ethic. Also, he played for Adelman in Rockets. I think he's everything we need. I'd even give Dante or Bud for such a player. So, what do you guys think?

In a game between the Rockets and San Antonio Spurs in the 2007–08 season in which he was assigned to guard Manu Ginóbili, because Ginóbili was playing off the bench and his minutes were not in sync with those of typical NBA starters, Battier went to Rockets coach Rick Adelman before the game and asked to be kept out of the starting lineup and substituted in whenever Ginóbili entered the game. Rockets general manager Daryl Morey later said about the incident, “No one in the NBA does that. No one says put me on the bench so I can guard their best scorer all the time.”

Dorell Wright, Arnette Moultre and a Pick for Derrick Williams.

IShotTheMaid wrote:The perfect starting 2-guard for the wolves would be a guy like Wesley Matthews IMO. Just a solid all around player with no major weaknesses. But the main reason I want him for this team is for his defensive ability. Although there seems to be some bad blood between the Wolves and Blazers. But it'd be awesome to land Matthews using the trade pieces Minny has in Barea/Williams/Ridnour/picks..... A 3rd team is probably needed though.

But this roster would deadly at 100%:

Ricky Rubio - Barea or Ridnour
Wesley Matthews - Alexey Shved - Malcolm Lee
Andrei Kirilenko - Chase Budinger - Josh Howard
Kevin Love - Dante Cunningham - Lou Amundson
Nikola Pekovic - Greg Stiemsma

This team is close....Just need Rubio back and possibly a guy like Matthews.

Unfortunately the Blazers don't want anything to do with us.

moss_is_1 wrote:

C.lupus wrote:Wait, what? We have a logjam at SG? News to me. Last time I checked we had Malcolm Lee and Shved. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on last year, either. Adelman didn't have much in the way of options at SG (Johnson and Ellington). He does like having two guards who can handle the ball but I don't think he is married to the idea of ridnour or Barea being that second guard.

I didn't really mean we did right now....but in the future. Budinger/Roy will be back this season, Shved has shown he needs minutes as well. If we traded Shved/Dwill for 2 more SGs we would definitely have a logjam.

Must be nice to have that kind of childish innocence, but please, give up on Roy. He probly shouldnt walk more than a couple blocks a day so to think that he'd be any kind of factor to the team when he gets back is foolishness. And since we paid him 5 Mill he'd better wheel his ass to practice and show Lee how to shoot, tell love that everyone in Portland calls him a cry baby so hopefully he'd stop complaining to refs and then RETIRE so we can pickup another body.