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Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm, FSN)

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Post#301 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:40 pm by Tirion

Bobcats are horrible. That shoud've been a win.
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Post#302 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:41 pm by C.lupus

Calinks wrote:If Williams could have found his game this summer......


FT's really stand out. Lost by 2, you have to look at all of those free throws.

If Kahn/Taylor would have listened to Adelman....
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Post#303 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:46 pm by PalmTree

Tirion wrote:Bobcats are horrible. That shoud've been a win.


Come on we aren't THAT bad :D
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Post#304 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:50 pm by Tirion

PalmTree wrote:
Tirion wrote:Bobcats are horrible. That shoud've been a win.


Come on we aren't THAT bad :D


You are. Your off-ball guard (Kemba, I think) there ALSO tried to call a timeout, then immediately berated Williams when HE did…
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Post#305 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:53 pm by Sheenmue

Props to the team for the effort, it's incredible they were so close to win the game after all. Last minutes it was pure timbertroll basket, I don't remember a game where I have laughed so much, LOLcats were really funny :lol: .
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Post#306 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:54 pm by southern wolf

The Bobcats might be bad, but we're not going to beat many teams with half a team and our three best players out. Good fightback though, I really hope we can get healthy eventually.
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Post#307 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:54 pm by PalmTree

Tirion wrote:
PalmTree wrote:
Tirion wrote:Bobcats are horrible. That shoud've been a win.


Come on we aren't THAT bad :D


You are. Your off-ball guard (Kemba, I think) there ALSO tried to call a timeout, then immediately berated Williams when HE did…


lol it was a d2 college game series of events. Your guys came at us hard in the 4th and we weren't ready.
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Post#308 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:56 pm by Klomp

PalmTree wrote:
lol it was a d2 college game series of events. Your guys came at us hard in the 4th and we weren't ready.

Don't be hatin on D2!
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Post#309 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:57 pm by lewdog

Calinks wrote:If Williams could have found his game this summer......


In the history of the NBA, has there been a GM who has a worst draft resume than KAHN?
Offhand, can't think of one.
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Post#310 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:00 pm by Klomp

lewdog wrote:
Calinks wrote:If Williams could have found his game this summer......


In the history of the NBA, has there been a GM who has a worst draft resume than KAHN?
Offhand, can't think of one.

Yeah that Rubio pick was terrible
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Post#311 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:03 pm by lewdog

Klomp wrote:
lewdog wrote:
Calinks wrote:If Williams could have found his game this summer......


In the history of the NBA, has there been a GM who has a worst draft resume than KAHN?
Offhand, can't think of one.

Yeah that Rubio pick was terrible

Predictable. :clap:
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Post#312 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:09 pm by Wolves21

Klomp wrote:
lewdog wrote:
Calinks wrote:If Williams could have found his game this summer......


In the history of the NBA, has there been a GM who has a worst draft resume than KAHN?
Offhand, can't think of one.

Yeah that Rubio pick was terrible


Jonny Flynn
Ty Lawson(Traded)
Wayne Ellington
Wesley Johnson
Lazar Hayward
Derrick Williams
Robbie Hummel


He's done a **** job at drafting.Yes the Rubio pick was great but besides that he has had three top ten bust in Flynn,Johnson and Williams,Trade away Lawson and Hayward is garbage with only Ellington being a solid back up.That's a terrible draft history.

The Rubio and then Flynn pick right after was a huge mistake.Again at the time of the draft I said draft Rubio and Curry(yes curry is very injury prone) and also when he daft Johnson I had said he should have drafted Cousins.The only pick besides Rubio that I did agree with was the Williams pick.I would have done the same thing even though he's pretty much a bust.

Then theirs also the Al Jefferson trade....

just a little FYI two of the three best players on the team in Love and Pekovic were McHale picks.
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Post#313 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:12 pm by Breakdown777

What a crazy game. I had a feeling going in with the injuries to both teams it was gonna be a clown show...but I didn't realize how big of a clown show.

You know that phrase "he does all the little things to help the team win"...Derrick Williams does ZERO little things.

AK47 is incredible. He has the hustle of Corey Brewer combined with stellar BBIQ and an ability to finish at the rim. (Yeah, I'm a member of the Brew Crew). AK47 is still a top-flight glue guy in the NBA.

Stiemsma was the "Cleveland Steamer" tonight. He can play decent defense in the post, but other than that he just seems like a big lumbering physical presence. I also thought the days of being annoyed with a player for sagging off on defense to go for a block were gone when we lost Anthony Randolph...but Steamer is keeping that tradition going as well.

Pek being in there to prevent BJ Mullens from going off on the glass would've been enough to seal the victory.

Looking ahead to Golden State...Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, David Lee, and Carl Landry will be a handful for the current wolves roster.
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Post#314 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:13 pm by AQuintus

C.lupus wrote:If Kahn/Taylor would have listened to Adelman....


Then Williams would have probably been traded for Batum and we wouldn't have Kirilenko now.
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Post#315 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:13 pm by Cyborg21

Any word on Malcolm Lee?
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Post#316 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:19 pm by Breakdown777

Wolves21 wrote:
Jonny Flynn
Ty Lawson(Traded)
Wayne Ellington
Wesley Johnson
Lazar Hayward
Derrick Williams
Robbie Hummel


He's done a **** job at drafting.Yes the Rubio pick was great but besides that he has had three top ten bust in Flynn,Johnson and Williams,Trade away Lawson and Hayward is garbage with only Ellington being a solid back up.That's a terrible draft history.

The Rubio and then Flynn pick right after was a huge mistake.Again at the time of the draft I said draft Rubio and Curry(yes curry is very injury prone) and also when he daft Johnson I had said he should have drafted Cousins.The only pick besides Rubio that I did agree with was the Williams pick.I would have done the same thing even though he's pretty much a bust.

Then theirs also the Al Jefferson trade....

just a little FYI two of the three best players on the team in Love and Pekovic were McHale picks.


If McHale wasn't demoted to coach and then let go, I'm fairly confident this team would have a core of Steph Curry, Love, Big Al, and Pek. We'd still be fighting for the 8 seed every year. I also think McHale would've taken Rubio, but would've traded him once it became clear he wouldn't of put forth the same effort Kahn did to keep Rubio's camp motivated and happy. Just my 2 cents, but I'm very confident that if McHale stuck around we'd be an inside/outside team with that core I mentioned.
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Post#317 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:28 pm by LordBaldric

Breakdown777 wrote:
Wolves21 wrote:
Jonny Flynn
Ty Lawson(Traded)
Wayne Ellington
Wesley Johnson
Lazar Hayward
Derrick Williams
Robbie Hummel


He's done a **** job at drafting.Yes the Rubio pick was great but besides that he has had three top ten bust in Flynn,Johnson and Williams,Trade away Lawson and Hayward is garbage with only Ellington being a solid back up.That's a terrible draft history.

The Rubio and then Flynn pick right after was a huge mistake.Again at the time of the draft I said draft Rubio and Curry(yes curry is very injury prone) and also when he daft Johnson I had said he should have drafted Cousins.The only pick besides Rubio that I did agree with was the Williams pick.I would have done the same thing even though he's pretty much a bust.

Then theirs also the Al Jefferson trade....

just a little FYI two of the three best players on the team in Love and Pekovic were McHale picks.


If McHale wasn't demoted to coach and then let go, I'm fairly confident this team would have a core of Steph Curry, Love, Big Al, and Pek. We'd still be fighting for the 8 seed every year. I also think McHale would've taken Rubio, but would've traded him once it became clear he wouldn't of put forth the same effort Kahn did to keep Rubio's camp motivated and happy. Just my 2 cents, but I'm very confident that if McHale stuck around we'd be an inside/outside team with that core I mentioned.


While that may be true, nobody is arguing we should have kept McHale as GM. And it has nothing to do with the fact that Kahn's drafting record is horse****. Also if Kahn had listened to Adelman telling him his latest jewel Williams was in fact a jalopy instead of a Mercedes maybe he could have been moved for a decent piece, a posibility that is dwindling by the day.
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Post#318 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:30 pm by Wolves21

Breakdown777 wrote:
Wolves21 wrote:
Jonny Flynn
Ty Lawson(Traded)
Wayne Ellington
Wesley Johnson
Lazar Hayward
Derrick Williams
Robbie Hummel


He's done a **** job at drafting.Yes the Rubio pick was great but besides that he has had three top ten bust in Flynn,Johnson and Williams,Trade away Lawson and Hayward is garbage with only Ellington being a solid back up.That's a terrible draft history.

The Rubio and then Flynn pick right after was a huge mistake.Again at the time of the draft I said draft Rubio and Curry(yes curry is very injury prone) and also when he daft Johnson I had said he should have drafted Cousins.The only pick besides Rubio that I did agree with was the Williams pick.I would have done the same thing even though he's pretty much a bust.

Then theirs also the Al Jefferson trade....

just a little FYI two of the three best players on the team in Love and Pekovic were McHale picks.


If McHale wasn't demoted to coach and then let go, I'm fairly confident this team would have a core of Steph Curry, Love, Big Al, and Pek. We'd still be fighting for the 8 seed every year. I also think McHale would've taken Rubio, but would've traded him once it became clear he wouldn't of put forth the same effort Kahn did to keep Rubio's camp motivated and happy. Just my 2 cents, but I'm very confident that if McHale stuck around we'd be an inside/outside team with that core I mentioned.


would have been fine with that core.Rubio,Curry,Love and Jefferson with who ever at the SF spot would have been a great line up and one that would be a playoff team.Yes Curry is a little light and not the tallest to be playing SG but I think a back court with Rubio would have been dynamic which Rubio and Flynn was suppose to be.Problem would have done a lot of switching on D when playing bigger SG with Rubio covering them and Curry on the PG.
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Post#319 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:39 pm by AQuintus

Wolves21 wrote:Rubio,Curry,Love and Jefferson with who ever at the SF spot would have been a great line up and one that would be a playoff team.


McHale would have never made the Foye + Miller for 5 trade that got us Rubio, and without him, that core looks significantly worse.

And assuming that McHale was kept and that we got all the same picks (which wouldn't have happened), who would he have taken? Curry, Cousins, and Williams more than likely. So our starting lineup would be something like Curry, Foye, Williams, Love, Jefferson with Cousins and Pekovic off the bench, and some country club head coach. That team is not that good.

As for this game:

The good: battling back from a double digit deficit in the 4th to have a chance to win it despite missing almost all of our top players and Kirilenko

The bad: 38% shooting and 17 missed free throws

The ugly: Williams' attempts to finish around the rim
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Post#320 Re: Game #8: Bobcats at Timberwolves (7:00 pm
Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:40 pm by Tirion

Klomp wrote:
lewdog wrote:
Calinks wrote:If Williams could have found his game this summer......


In the history of the NBA, has there been a GM who has a worst draft resume than KAHN?
Offhand, can't think of one.

Yeah that Rubio pick was terrible


It wasn't, but it sure was a lot less great than you're implying.

They drafted Ricky in 2009 and waited 2 years for him to come here. Was it worth it? Yes. Does it outweight three horrible back to back to back picks in the top 10 (Flynn, Wes, D-Will)? Hell no.

Also don't forget another pick, he traded to pay for Rambis' contract, that could've been Donatas Montejunas.
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