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Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00 pm, FSN)

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Post#256 Re: Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:56 am by NewWolves

I think there is to much hate around for Luke. I wont say he's a great defender - but terrible neither. Definitely a step down from Rubio, but still way better than JJ is (defensively talking). Luke looks bad against the fast pg's and awful against the top Pg's of the league...but really who doesn't?
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Post#257 Re: Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:55 am by Turnover_21

Barea>>>Ridnour on defense despite being a midget.
JJ can be a pest while Luke is a revolving door.
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Post#258 Re: Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:24 pm by moss_is_1

Turnover_21 wrote:Barea>>>Ridnour on defense despite being a midget.
JJ can be a pest while Luke is a revolving door.

Agreed. JJ draws a lot more offensive fouls and is quick enough to stay in front of people...he just struggles with guys overpowering him a lot.
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Post#259 Re: Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:55 pm by NewWolves

moss_is_1 wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:Barea>>>Ridnour on defense despite being a midget.
JJ can be a pest while Luke is a revolving door.

Agreed. JJ draws a lot more offensive fouls and is quick enough to stay in front of people...he just struggles with guys overpowering him a lot.


I'll say 70% of those charges are flops. Don't get me wrong, I know the art of flopping is a good asset to have, but this season it will be different, because of the new rule. Although he's quick, he has struggle his entire career to stay in front of his men - plus in pick and rolls, it seems like he almost never try to avoid the pick....and he is absolutely inexistent in fast break defense. Not saying that Luke is that much better, but is not worse.

What JJ brings is offense. For me in particular, besides the obvious skill of killing everybody of the dribble - I think he's great controlling the pace or tempo of the game - even betters than Ricky. This is why many times, although his numbers in the box-score aren't that good, his +/- is almost always positive. Just to be clear, I prefers JJ to Luke any-day, but because of their overall contribution
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Post#260 Re: Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00
Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:10 pm by Turnover_21

Luke is the worst defender on the team bar none.
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Post#261 Re: Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:14 pm by moss_is_1

NewWolves wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:Barea>>>Ridnour on defense despite being a midget.
JJ can be a pest while Luke is a revolving door.

Agreed. JJ draws a lot more offensive fouls and is quick enough to stay in front of people...he just struggles with guys overpowering him a lot.


I'll say 70% of those charges are flops. Don't get me wrong, I know the art of flopping is a good asset to have, but this season it will be different, because of the new rule. Although he's quick, he has struggle his entire career to stay in front of his men - plus in pick and rolls, it seems like he almost never try to avoid the pick....and he is absolutely inexistent in fast break defense. Not saying that Luke is that much better, but is not worse.

What JJ brings is offense. For me in particular, besides the obvious skill of killing everybody of the dribble - I think he's great controlling the pace or tempo of the game - even betters than Ricky. This is why many times, although his numbers in the box-score aren't that good, his +/- is almost always positive. Just to be clear, I prefers JJ to Luke any-day, but because of their overall contribution


I agree with you, all I'm trying to say is although JJ isn't a good defender...he's better then Luke because he's a pest. He irritates the person he's guarding by drawing fouls, pressing up on them, and they will make contact with him and he will get the call more times then not.

I like JJ better for our team as well because of his offense. He can score in bunches off the bench which compliments Rubio's pass first approach. He showed last year(and in Dallas with Kidd/Terry) that he can play with other PGs. I also think that Luke would have more value around the league to net us something in a trade.

At the deadline I would try to float around a combo with Roy/Luke/D-will to try and really get us a difference maker off the bench(assuming everyone gets healthy). Lee is able to handle 3rd string PG duties since Shved handles the ball so much.
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Post#262 Re: Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:36 pm by Klomp

"It's a real quandary for me, because (when) I take him out, it's not the same," Adelman said. "Malcolm's not really a true point guard. Alexey's better off the ball than actually initiating, so it really hurts us when I get (Luke) out of the game. I've got to get him out. I've got to give him some rest."


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Post#263 Re: Game #9: Timberwolves vs. Warriors (7:00
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:45 pm by Piecake

Klomp wrote:
"It's a real quandary for me, because (when) I take him out, it's not the same," Adelman said. "Malcolm's not really a true point guard. Alexey's better off the ball than actually initiating, so it really hurts us when I get (Luke) out of the game. I've got to get him out. I've got to give him some rest."


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Yea, i totally disagree with that. Outside of Rubio, Shved is our best playmaker, and infinitely superior to Ridnour. Ridnour can't get around the pick and roll, cant get passed his man, cant penetrate. All he does is waste time dribbling at the top of the key and then pass the ball off to someone else. Thats a piss poor job of initiating an offense
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