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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:22 pm
by shrink
A. Sept 13th "Love and Money lure Adelman - not Kahn:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=As9SSfxdVh.oKh.MwdG3Ie28vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_rick_adelman_twolves_091211Disputed here:
http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingdwight?Rick-Adelman-makes-Minnesota-matter-agai=1&blockID=563337&feedID=8351).
B. July 20. "The NBA's fined two undisclosed teams for speaking on players in media during lockout, league source says. Kahn's a good bet as one of them." (Wasn't Kahn.)
C. July 9. Wolves will never get a good coach because they all hate Kahn. (woj on local radio)
D. May 18.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
"As for Kahn, there's no greater NBA storyline ever than an arrogant, unaccomplished D-League exec getting Stern's blessing to be an NBA GM."
E. Dec 23, 2011 Asked to predict the 2012 MVP, three people said Kevin Durant, Woj said "2012 timberwolves draft pick"
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_2011-12_season_predictions_122311F. Oct 6, 2011. "Once he left, the Wolves fell apart. Taylor hired an
unqualified general manager, David Kahn, to run the franchise, and the Wolves kept slipping further and further "
Is there some formal qualification for the GM job?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ap4rExGe.QK0yXLvyb.7VYC8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_lockout_kevin_garnett_100611woj wrote: No one ran a smarter, shrewder draft campaign than Thorn, who turned insufferable Minnesota GM David Kahn into a basket case over the Nets threatening to draft Wesley Johnson.
I'm not going to go back and grab them all. Wasn't he the guy that said Rubio would never put on a Wolves uniform, and he would be a knick or not play in the NBA?
Yeah, I get that Kahn's "smartest guy in the room" act puts off nearly everyone, but people need to stop elevating Woj here - at least when it comes to MIN. He clearly has an anti-Kahn agenda.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:06 pm
by Worm Guts
[RCG] wrote:Krapinsky wrote:http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1155499
[RCG] wrote:Sooo glad he signed for the 4 year max (if he did!) But he dang better keep up the 25/15.
As the thread goes on and we hear of a 3 year opt out, the tide sort of turns in favor of offering the five year max, but you see there's healthy debate as to whether Love was worthy of a five year max.
I stand by that! I would much rather have the 5-year option for Rubio than Love. Especially because he does this sort of thing annually.
So now what happens is that Love leaves as a free agent and Ricky doesn't want to sign the 5 year extension because he doesn't have any help.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:48 pm
by C.lupus
In summary...
Taylor needs to sell the team.
Kahn needs to be let go.
Love needs to grow up.
And Woj needs to stick to tweeting trade rumors.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:29 pm
by Dewey
Woj is an egomaniac. Period. It's awfully shallow for anyone to think otherwise.
Love is reallly proving to be an egomaniac ... this recent interview with Woj was his choice, but due to the fact he talked **** - knowing it would go public, I find it 100% unacceptable. It's embarrassing mostly for Klove's teammates and I strongly believe it will have a long-term impact on his image in the league.
Those are the facts.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:13 pm
by shrink
The more I look, the more garbage I see:
Jun 19, 2010
Woj wrote: Under general manager David Kahn, the Wolves are becoming the organization that no one wants to send players. Kahn’s condescending, abrasive style is frustrating to rival GMs and agents because few people believe he has the background, knowledge or credentials to even hold the job.
At what point did this change from reporting the news, to making the news?
Yeah, Woj said there was going to be a Granger for Jefferson deal (wrong) and Woj told us that no way Rubio would ever sign here (wrong). And yeah, then Kahn decided to have nothing more to do with him.
I wonder if Woj is so self-important, that he feels that if he editorializes all the negativity he can, he can either force Kahn to talk to him, or else punish him for refusing?
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:15 pm
by Krapinsky
Whoa! Nice research there Shrink. It's worse than I even remembered it. I can certainly see some circumstantial evidence for a grudge/vendetta against the guy. I mean it's one thing to attack the Commissioner of the NBA, or the greatest and most polarizing players in the game Lebron or Kobe for extra readership (though Woj has a hard on for Kobe), but to have such a constant vitriol for the TImberwolves and their GM seems more than a little excessive.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:40 pm
by RightSaidShved
It's not a coincidence that all writers/journalists seem to hate Kahn. Remember, he used to be a colleague. I've heard/read a few different people who worked with him talk about how arrogant and obnoxious they thought he was back then, so you know it eats at them that this guy, of all people, is the one who ended up being the GM of an NBA team. Hope it doesn't sound like I'm defending Kahn (I'm not a fan of his at all), but I do think a good amount of the flack he gets is personal.
That said, Woj having a personal vendetta doesn't un-say the things Love said. As has been noted earlier, Kevin has to know who he's dealing with, and saying he's surprised that the positive things got left out rings a little hollow.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:51 pm
by Klomp
Yup, I think this dates back to the Granger report.
BTW I thought this was funny from 2009
Minnesota drafted Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn(notes) with the sixth pick, and he’ll run the team should Rubio have to stay in Europe for another season. If Rubio gets the buyout done, most expect Kahn will trade Flynn, who was considered one of the elite point guards in the draft.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:09 pm
by shrink
RightSaidShved wrote:It's not a coincidence that all writers/journalists seem to hate Kahn. Remember, he used to be a colleague. I've heard/read a few different people who worked with him talk about how arrogant and obnoxious they thought he was back then, so you know it eats at them that this guy, of all people, is the one who ended up being the GM of an NBA team. Hope it doesn't sound like I'm defending Kahn (I'm not a fan of his at all), but I do think a good amount of the flack he gets is personal.
That said, Woj having a personal vendetta doesn't un-say the things Love said. As has been noted earlier, Kevin has to know who he's dealing with, and saying he's surprised that the positive things got left out rings a little hollow.
I agree with all this, and I'm glad you said it. Kahn's general demeanor can frustrate people, and Love certainly never backtracked from his position. And Kahn has certainly made his mistakes, particularly in the draft.
However, my point is that if you're a journalist, I think you should meet a certain level of professionalism, whether you like who you are writing about or not. Woj has been wrong about some of the most important Wolves moves of the past, he inserts his own slurs whether they are news or not, and he only points to the worst, and ignores the whole story (even Love implied that). At a certain point, a writer who goes down this road loses his ability to convey the actual events he is covering.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:44 pm
by Saltine
shrink wrote:Joan Niesen wrote:After all, if it weren't for Love, for his insistence on rebuilding, even for his very presence, things would be far worse.
Do you think this is true?
I think it may be, Love must be applying some pressure on Kahn to make a better team, just by being his bitchy self everyday... I doubt that he's the primary factor though. I'd assume Adelman was the main driver for a better roster, Glen was in the passenger seat with his checkbook, and Kevin was whining from the backseat...
I think Kahn gets to much ****, the 5 year deal is up to Glen, not Kahn. The drafting failures have to fall on our scouts, at least a fair percentage of it. Kahn is great with numbers, and not much else, I think he knows this.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:27 pm
by Grits n Gravy
unless vibes change between now and then i am definitely trading him in his final year. players don't sign extensions anymore cause the terms and years are beyond (Please Use More Appropriate Word) which means we have to wait until he's a unrestricted free agent to see if he comes back which i think is worse than 50/50 as of now.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:34 pm
by floppymoose
RightSaidShved wrote:That said, Woj having a personal vendetta doesn't un-say the things Love said.
This. Love had an opportunity to deny saying those things, and call Woj a liar. He didn't. Instead he admitted saying them and acted surprised that those were the comments Woj focused on. If he really was surprised that was rather naive of him.
Woj definitely has strong opinions and he is not going to hide them. But the stuff inside the quotes is correct.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:38 pm
by floppymoose
I'm not sure why you think anything in the second link disputes the Woj story in the first. As far as I can tell they are in agreement.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:51 pm
by Krapinsky
floppymoose wrote:I'm not sure why you think anything in the second link disputes the Woj story in the first. As far as I can tell they are in agreement.
Glen Taylor has said nabbing Adelman was all Kahn's doing and he gave him all the credit.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:51 pm
by AQuintus
floppymoose wrote:I'm not sure why you think anything in the second link disputes the Woj story in the first. As far as I can tell they are in agreement.
This:
I would go as far to say they barely knew each there before Kahn began his relentless pursuit of Adelman for this job.
Disputes this:
Privately, Adelman didn’t disguise his disdain for Kahn. They go back to Adelman’s glory days coaching the Portland Trail Blazers in the late 1980s and 1990s, when Kahn was covering the NBA beat as a sportswriter for the Oregonian. The idea that a bad sportswriter had turned into a brutal NBA executive troubled him, sources said. He couldn’t stand him then, and had no intention of resurrecting a working relationship with the man.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:53 pm
by AQuintus
floppymoose wrote:
This. Love had an opportunity to deny saying those things, and call Woj a liar. He didn't. Instead he admitted saying them and acted surprised that those were the comments Woj focused on. If he really was surprised that was rather naive of him.
Woj definitely has strong opinions and he is not going to hide them. But the stuff inside the quotes is correct.
Kevin also said (and Woj confirmed) that he said a lot of positive things about the organization in the interview that were left out. Why? Because they didn't fit into the hatchet job piece that Woj was writing, which is what we've been telling you.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:15 pm
by FinnTheHuman
AQuintus wrote:floppymoose wrote:
This. Love had an opportunity to deny saying those things, and call Woj a liar. He didn't. Instead he admitted saying them and acted surprised that those were the comments Woj focused on. If he really was surprised that was rather naive of him.
Woj definitely has strong opinions and he is not going to hide them. But the stuff inside the quotes is correct.
Kevin also said (and Woj confirmed) that he said a lot of positive things about the organization in the interview that were left out. Why? Because they didn't fit into the hatchet job piece that Woj was writing, which is what we've been telling you.
Those comments that Woj isolated in the text sound nothing but terrible in any context.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:09 am
by Klomp
Comment From Asuncion_A
Jerry, is Adrian Wojnarowski a huge hater on the twolves and why? Do you know when that interview took place?
Jerry Zgoda: It took place in Philadelphia last week. Woj sees the Wolves through the eyes of all the GMs and agents he's tied into to. His view largely is the view of Kahn from around the league.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:59 am
by Steve_Holiday
Klomp wrote:Comment From Asuncion_A
Jerry, is Adrian Wojnarowski a huge hater on the twolves and why? Do you know when that interview took place?
Jerry Zgoda: It took place in Philadelphia last week. Woj sees the Wolves through the eyes of all the GMs and agents he's tied into to. His view largely is the view of Kahn from around the league.
If that's the case, then the league-wide, GM view of Kahn is a bit misguided. For all his massive faults, Kahn was able to bring Rubio over, sign a HOF coach, and re-sign the team's star. He took the worst team in the league, and turned it into a playoff-caliber roster. All things that Woj, and many others, said Kahn could never do.
HOWEVER, Glen Taylor needs to figure out exactly what - if anything - can appease the spoiled prince Love, and convince him to stay here. If that means firing Kahn, do it immediately. Being forced to trade Love would be devastating to this franchise. No matter how insufferable his ego is, malcontents don't bring back great trade returns.
Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:10 am
by Krapinsky
Stern, Kahn... starting to think Woj is an anti-semite!