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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love) 

Post#331 » by AQuintus » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:53 pm

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This. Love had an opportunity to deny saying those things, and call Woj a liar. He didn't. Instead he admitted saying them and acted surprised that those were the comments Woj focused on. If he really was surprised that was rather naive of him.

Woj definitely has strong opinions and he is not going to hide them. But the stuff inside the quotes is correct.


Kevin also said (and Woj confirmed) that he said a lot of positive things about the organization in the interview that were left out. Why? Because they didn't fit into the hatchet job piece that Woj was writing, which is what we've been telling you.
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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love) 

Post#332 » by FinnTheHuman » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:15 pm

AQuintus wrote:
floppymoose wrote:
This. Love had an opportunity to deny saying those things, and call Woj a liar. He didn't. Instead he admitted saying them and acted surprised that those were the comments Woj focused on. If he really was surprised that was rather naive of him.

Woj definitely has strong opinions and he is not going to hide them. But the stuff inside the quotes is correct.


Kevin also said (and Woj confirmed) that he said a lot of positive things about the organization in the interview that were left out. Why? Because they didn't fit into the hatchet job piece that Woj was writing, which is what we've been telling you.


Those comments that Woj isolated in the text sound nothing but terrible in any context.
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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love) 

Post#333 » by Klomp » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:09 am

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Jerry, is Adrian Wojnarowski a huge hater on the twolves and why? Do you know when that interview took place?


Jerry Zgoda: It took place in Philadelphia last week. Woj sees the Wolves through the eyes of all the GMs and agents he's tied into to. His view largely is the view of Kahn from around the league.
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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love) 

Post#334 » by Steve_Holiday » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:59 am

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Jerry, is Adrian Wojnarowski a huge hater on the twolves and why? Do you know when that interview took place?


Jerry Zgoda: It took place in Philadelphia last week. Woj sees the Wolves through the eyes of all the GMs and agents he's tied into to. His view largely is the view of Kahn from around the league.


If that's the case, then the league-wide, GM view of Kahn is a bit misguided. For all his massive faults, Kahn was able to bring Rubio over, sign a HOF coach, and re-sign the team's star. He took the worst team in the league, and turned it into a playoff-caliber roster. All things that Woj, and many others, said Kahn could never do.

HOWEVER, Glen Taylor needs to figure out exactly what - if anything - can appease the spoiled prince Love, and convince him to stay here. If that means firing Kahn, do it immediately. Being forced to trade Love would be devastating to this franchise. No matter how insufferable his ego is, malcontents don't bring back great trade returns.
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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love) 

Post#335 » by Krapinsky » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:10 am

Stern, Kahn... starting to think Woj is an anti-semite!
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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love) 

Post#336 » by floppymoose » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:11 am

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floppymoose wrote:I'm not sure why you think anything in the second link disputes the Woj story in the first. As far as I can tell they are in agreement.


This:

I would go as far to say they barely knew each there before Kahn began his relentless pursuit of Adelman for this job.


Disputes this:

Privately, Adelman didn’t disguise his disdain for Kahn. They go back to Adelman’s glory days coaching the Portland Trail Blazers in the late 1980s and 1990s, when Kahn was covering the NBA beat as a sportswriter for the Oregonian. The idea that a bad sportswriter had turned into a brutal NBA executive troubled him, sources said. He couldn’t stand him then, and had no intention of resurrecting a working relationship with the man.


The first is the author speculating.

The second is the author claiming direct knowledge of what Adelman has actually said.

Now if Woj is lying about Adelman having disdain, then Woj is a hack. But I don't have any reason to think that. It just looks like the first author's opinion is simply wrong.
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Post#337 » by Krapinsky » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:13 am

Go ahead.... keeping defending the anti-semite!
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Post#338 » by Esohny » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:25 am

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SMAC-K wrote:Mayo>>>>Love and that 5th pick
OJ Mayo is one of the best defenders in the league, hes a two way player and hes a great passer and playmaker.
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Post#339 » by Tirion » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:09 am

Klomp wrote:
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Jerry, is Adrian Wojnarowski a huge hater on the twolves and why? Do you know when that interview took place?


Jerry Zgoda: It took place in Philadelphia last week. Woj sees the Wolves through the eyes of all the GMs and agents he's tied into to. His view largely is the view of Kahn from around the league.


Zgoda has a vendetta against Kahn too.

In fact, all the other GMs have a vendetta against David.

They are jealous of him, cause he's so much smarter than them.

But he gonna show them! You'll see! You'll see!
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Post#340 » by Tirion » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:20 am

Breakdown777 wrote:I will say this about Kahn. Just because he's condescending and has a poor draft record does not mean he's a bad GM. He takes a vastly different approach than most, and the way he talks and represents himself and his team aren't good, but he does work very hard. I believe his work has lead to many great things involving this team. I wouldn't be surprised if many of his "Kahnisms" are by design. There is probably much less heat on guys like Love when Kahn is such an easy target. It takes distraction away from the team (out of the locker room, at least).

Most Basketball personalities are ego-maniacs; some are more vocal (naturally). Kahn wanted his stamp on this team. That would've been much easier if he booted all the guys McHale drafted (which he did sans Love and Pek). If Love wasn't an incredible basketball player, I believe Kahn would've traded him as well to have his "clean slate" to be judged on.

Kahn has been a "yes man" for Glen Taylor and every coach during his time here. I don't like how the argument is used that everything positive is Adelmans doing alone, yet all of the Rambis screw-ups were a joint effort. The yes man personality is really bothersome to some fans, which is fine, but you can't argue that it's not a decent business mantra (albeit a sleazy one).


So, in your first paragraph, you are saying that Kahn is a selfless scapegoat, who purposefully plays "dumb and incompetent" to take pressure of Love and other people in organisation.

In your second paragraph, you are saying that, like the most basketball personalities, he is an ego-maniac, who wanted to leave his stamp on the team and that's why he was so dissmissive of Love.

In your third paragraph, you are saying that Kahn is a "yes man", who only does what a coach tels him to do.

You've managed to contradict your 1st point with your 2nd and your 2nd point with the 3rd. That's impressive.

Bro, do you even logic?
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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love) 

Post#341 » by Basti » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:46 pm

And do you even try to be reasonable in your disdain for Kahn? Your hate for Kahn is unreasonably strong. Way to nitpick the points people have made in this thread.
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Post#342 » by Tirion » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:16 pm

Basti wrote:And do you even try to be reasonable in your disdain for Kahn? Your hate for Kahn is unreasonably strong. Way to nitpick the points people have made in this thread.


What points? All pro-Kahn retoric on this board can be boiled down to one sentence:

"Yeah, I agree that he's a horrible drafter/talent evaluator, but <insert your BS excuse>"

I mean it's pretty clear, why this is not a viable argument. Talent evaluation, i.e. the ability to tell good players from bad players is crucial for a GM. It doesn't matter what else he does well. It doesn't matter if he's a good negotiator or a financial wizard. If you're in a business of evaluating players and suck at it, then you shouldn't be in it. Period.
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Post#343 » by cpfsf » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:47 pm

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Basti wrote:And do you even try to be reasonable in your disdain for Kahn? Your hate for Kahn is unreasonably strong. Way to nitpick the points people have made in this thread.


What points? All pro-Kahn retoric on this board can be boiled down to one sentence:

"Yeah, I agree that he's a horrible drafter/talent evaluator, but <insert your BS excuse>"

I mean it's pretty clear, why this is not a viable argument. Talent evaluation, i.e. the ability to tell good players from bad players is crucial for a GM. It doesn't matter what else he does well. It doesn't matter if he's a good negotiator or a financial wizard. If you're in a business of evaluating players and suck at it, then you shouldn't be in it. Period.


yes, we've heard it all before. kahn hasn't done a single thing right in his life. if the anti christ exists, he's definitely it.
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Post#344 » by Esohny » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:54 pm

cpfsf wrote:yes, we've heard it all before. kahn hasn't done a single thing right in his life. if the anti christ exists, he's definitely it.


Well, that seems awfully unlikely. The Anti-Christ is actually supposed to succeed with his plans of enthralling the world and uniting it under a One World Government, as opposed to failing at everything.
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Post#345 » by jballer_13 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:58 pm

I think everyone knows your stance on Kahn, and it's pretty clear that your opinion won't change. No need to nitpick and troll through everyone else's posts. If you want to discuss it that's one thing, but you haven't shown one instance of acknowledgement to someone else's opinion. You make good points and it's hard to be a contrarian on a topic, but c'mon dude, at least make it a discussion.
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Post#346 » by cpfsf » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:02 pm

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cpfsf wrote:yes, we've heard it all before. kahn hasn't done a single thing right in his life. if the anti christ exists, he's definitely it.


Well, that seems awfully unlikely. The Anti-Christ is actually supposed to succeed with his plans of enthralling the world and uniting it under a One World Government, as opposed to failing at everything.


are you implying that we should castrate him bieber style?
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Re: Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love) 

Post#347 » by C.lupus » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:47 pm

I wanted to pull this part of Mattya's post in the Wolves In The News thread over here.

Mattya wrote:http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/The_Scoops_Wolves_may_be_interested_as_Cavs_shop_Anderson_Varejao121412


On the Love situation

A league source was quick to remind me of a statement Kahn made at a breakfast with reporters in June 2009: "On a championship-contending team... Kevin (Love) might be the fourth-best player."

The source's informed theory is that statement, combined with seeing good friends Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose get five-year extensions, continues to have Love irked. It's definitely not the money.


A front office executive spelled out how Love will benefit financially in the future: "The reality is that while the difference in guaranteed money between the four-year max deal that Love received and the five-year designated player max that Westbrook received is $17,769,374. (Rose was named MVP, so he was able to take advantage of the designated player max where his first year salary is 30% of the salary cap).

"If Kevin does not exercise his option after the 2014-2015 season, he can become an unrestricted free agent and either re-sign with the Timberwolves for five years or another team for four and receive a salary which starts at 30% of the salary cap. Consequently, Kevin may end up getting more money that Russell over the same period."

As for whether Love will sign an extension before the summer of 2015, the source said, "Kevin could sign an extension prior to declining his option for the 2015-16 season. That extension would be for three years and he could not get any additional money in '15-'16 unless the Wolves were under the cap, which they won't be.

"I don't consider Kevin signing an extension a likely scenario -- see Atlanta's Josh Smith. The extension can only be for four years, including the current years of the contract. If he waits until the end of the '14-'15 season and becomes a free agent, he can re-sign with the Timberwolves for five years (likely for $100 million-plus) or another team for four years. Most players at that stage of their career are prepared to wait and sign for five, or four years."


The bolded statement is baffling to me. I see it over and over and it must be true. What I don't get is why Love would take such offense at that. In 2009, Love probably was a fourth best player on a championship team, maybe third. He has since improved his game and his physique annually and that is no longer the case. I just don't get hanging on to a statement well after all the mitigating variables have changed. Kevin needs to get over that.
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Post#348 » by Krapinsky » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:00 pm

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The bolded statement is baffling to me. I see it over and over and it must be true. What I don't get is why Love would take such offense at that. In 2009, Love probably was a fourth best player on a championship team, maybe third. He has since improved his game and his physique annually and that is no longer the case. I just don't get hanging on to a statement well after all the mitigating variables have changed. Kevin needs to get over that.


Agreed. I think at the time he said it, just about everyone in the room likely nodded in agreement. Kahn was essentially telling season ticket holders exactly what they wanted to hear -- that he knew he had a lot of work to do to bring in talent to build a contender. i don't see what the problem is here.
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Post#349 » by Worm Guts » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:07 pm

He didn't say it, but I think the impression was that Kahn meant the best Love would ever be is the 4th best player on a championship team. And even though it was fair to agree with that at the time, it's not something your GM should say.
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Post#350 » by cpfsf » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:36 pm

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-love021908

After Kevin’s freshman season Stan Love began expressing displeasure over the lack of playing time given to his older brother, Collin, who was a junior. He threatened to have Kevin transfer to another high school if Shoff wasn’t terminated. He also posted “Fire Shoff” stickers in the foyer of the gymnasium.

In the end, Shoff retained his job, Stan apologized and the two formed a friendship that continues today. During an interview last week, Kevin credited Shoff for much of his success.

“Stan just said, ‘Hey, I’m sorry. I was over the top,’” Shoff said. “It was over after that. I think Stan has taken some hits from it, which shouldn’t be the case. He apologized. That was enough.”


It also helped that Kevin was blessed with uncanny strength, some of which he achieved by doing finger-tip push-ups.


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