Oh boy, here we go again... (Woj story on Love)

[AQuintus]

This. Love had an opportunity to deny saying those things, and call Woj a liar. He didn't. Instead he admitted saying them and acted surprised that those were the comments Woj focused on. If he really was surprised that was rather naive of him.

Woj definitely has strong opinions and he is not going to hide them. But the stuff inside the quotes is correct.

Kevin also said (and Woj confirmed) that he said a lot of positive things about the organization in the interview that were left out. Why? Because they didn't fit into the hatchet job piece that Woj was writing, which is what we've been telling you.

[FinnTheHuman]

This. Love had an opportunity to deny saying those things, and call Woj a liar. He didn't. Instead he admitted saying them and acted surprised that those were the comments Woj focused on. If he really was surprised that was rather naive of him.

Woj definitely has strong opinions and he is not going to hide them. But the stuff inside the quotes is correct.

Kevin also said (and Woj confirmed) that he said a lot of positive things about the organization in the interview that were left out. Why? Because they didn't fit into the hatchet job piece that Woj was writing, which is what we've been telling you.

Those comments that Woj isolated in the text sound nothing but terrible in any context.

[Klomp]

Comment From Asuncion_A
Jerry, is Adrian Wojnarowski a huge hater on the twolves and why? Do you know when that interview took place?


Jerry Zgoda: It took place in Philadelphia last week. Woj sees the Wolves through the eyes of all the GMs and agents he's tied into to. His view largely is the view of Kahn from around the league.

[Steve_Holiday]

Comment From Asuncion_A
Jerry, is Adrian Wojnarowski a huge hater on the twolves and why? Do you know when that interview took place?


Jerry Zgoda: It took place in Philadelphia last week. Woj sees the Wolves through the eyes of all the GMs and agents he's tied into to. His view largely is the view of Kahn from around the league.

If that's the case, then the league-wide, GM view of Kahn is a bit misguided. For all his massive faults, Kahn was able to bring Rubio over, sign a HOF coach, and re-sign the team's star. He took the worst team in the league, and turned it into a playoff-caliber roster. All things that Woj, and many others, said Kahn could never do.

HOWEVER, Glen Taylor needs to figure out exactly what - if anything - can appease the spoiled prince Love, and convince him to stay here. If that means firing Kahn, do it immediately. Being forced to trade Love would be devastating to this franchise. No matter how insufferable his ego is, malcontents don't bring back great trade returns.

[Krapinsky]

Stern, Kahn... starting to think Woj is an anti-semite!

[floppymoose]

I'm not sure why you think anything in the second link disputes the Woj story in the first. As far as I can tell they are in agreement.

This:

I would go as far to say they barely knew each there before Kahn began his relentless pursuit of Adelman for this job.

Disputes this:

Privately, Adelman didn’t disguise his disdain for Kahn. They go back to Adelman’s glory days coaching the Portland Trail Blazers in the late 1980s and 1990s, when Kahn was covering the NBA beat as a sportswriter for the Oregonian. The idea that a bad sportswriter had turned into a brutal NBA executive troubled him, sources said. He couldn’t stand him then, and had no intention of resurrecting a working relationship with the man.

The first is the author speculating.

The second is the author claiming direct knowledge of what Adelman has actually said.

Now if Woj is lying about Adelman having disdain, then Woj is a hack. But I don't have any reason to think that. It just looks like the first author's opinion is simply wrong.

[Krapinsky]

Go ahead.... keeping defending the anti-semite!

[Esohny]

[Tirion]

Comment From Asuncion_A
Jerry, is Adrian Wojnarowski a huge hater on the twolves and why? Do you know when that interview took place?


Jerry Zgoda: It took place in Philadelphia last week. Woj sees the Wolves through the eyes of all the GMs and agents he's tied into to. His view largely is the view of Kahn from around the league.

Zgoda has a vendetta against Kahn too.

In fact, all the other GMs have a vendetta against David.

They are jealous of him, cause he's so much smarter than them.

But he gonna show them! You'll see! You'll see!

[Tirion]

I will say this about Kahn. Just because he's condescending and has a poor draft record does not mean he's a bad GM. He takes a vastly different approach than most, and the way he talks and represents himself and his team aren't good, but he does work very hard. I believe his work has lead to many great things involving this team. I wouldn't be surprised if many of his "Kahnisms" are by design. There is probably much less heat on guys like Love when Kahn is such an easy target. It takes distraction away from the team (out of the locker room, at least).

Most Basketball personalities are ego-maniacs; some are more vocal (naturally). Kahn wanted his stamp on this team. That would've been much easier if he booted all the guys McHale drafted (which he did sans Love and Pek). If Love wasn't an incredible basketball player, I believe Kahn would've traded him as well to have his "clean slate" to be judged on.

Kahn has been a "yes man" for Glen Taylor and every coach during his time here. I don't like how the argument is used that everything positive is Adelmans doing alone, yet all of the Rambis screw-ups were a joint effort. The yes man personality is really bothersome to some fans, which is fine, but you can't argue that it's not a decent business mantra (albeit a sleazy one).

So, in your first paragraph, you are saying that Kahn is a selfless scapegoat, who purposefully plays "dumb and incompetent" to take pressure of Love and other people in organisation.

In your second paragraph, you are saying that, like the most basketball personalities, he is an ego-maniac, who wanted to leave his stamp on the team and that's why he was so dissmissive of Love.

In your third paragraph, you are saying that Kahn is a "yes man", who only does what a coach tels him to do.

You've managed to contradict your 1st point with your 2nd and your 2nd point with the 3rd. That's impressive.

Bro, do you even logic?

[Basti]

And do you even try to be reasonable in your disdain for Kahn? Your hate for Kahn is unreasonably strong. Way to nitpick the points people have made in this thread.

[Tirion]

And do you even try to be reasonable in your disdain for Kahn? Your hate for Kahn is unreasonably strong. Way to nitpick the points people have made in this thread.

What points? All pro-Kahn retoric on this board can be boiled down to one sentence:

"Yeah, I agree that he's a horrible drafter/talent evaluator, but <insert your BS excuse>"

I mean it's pretty clear, why this is not a viable argument. Talent evaluation, i.e. the ability to tell good players from bad players is crucial for a GM. It doesn't matter what else he does well. It doesn't matter if he's a good negotiator or a financial wizard. If you're in a business of evaluating players and suck at it, then you shouldn't be in it. Period.

[cpfsf]

And do you even try to be reasonable in your disdain for Kahn? Your hate for Kahn is unreasonably strong. Way to nitpick the points people have made in this thread.

What points? All pro-Kahn retoric on this board can be boiled down to one sentence:

"Yeah, I agree that he's a horrible drafter/talent evaluator, but <insert your BS excuse>"

I mean it's pretty clear, why this is not a viable argument. Talent evaluation, i.e. the ability to tell good players from bad players is crucial for a GM. It doesn't matter what else he does well. It doesn't matter if he's a good negotiator or a financial wizard. If you're in a business of evaluating players and suck at it, then you shouldn't be in it. Period.

yes, we've heard it all before. kahn hasn't done a single thing right in his life. if the anti christ exists, he's definitely it.

[Esohny]

yes, we've heard it all before. kahn hasn't done a single thing right in his life. if the anti christ exists, he's definitely it.

Well, that seems awfully unlikely. The Anti-Christ is actually supposed to succeed with his plans of enthralling the world and uniting it under a One World Government, as opposed to failing at everything.

[jballer_13]

I think everyone knows your stance on Kahn, and it's pretty clear that your opinion won't change. No need to nitpick and troll through everyone else's posts. If you want to discuss it that's one thing, but you haven't shown one instance of acknowledgement to someone else's opinion. You make good points and it's hard to be a contrarian on a topic, but c'mon dude, at least make it a discussion.