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Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:58 am
by Tirion
His 2nd year is already unguaranteed, right?
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:02 am
by shrink
Tirion wrote:His 2nd year is already unguaranteed, right?
Correct - he will not make the minimum requirements to guarantee his next year, so he's conceptually just an expiring now.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:05 am
by Tirion
Okay, play him then, Wolves can use anybody on the wings right now.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:42 am
by Murphs56
Personal Reasons that the Wolves didn't disclose. He's probably contemplating retirement. Solid move Kahn
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:26 am
by Adenusi
Roy coming back isn't going to solve anything We all know where the real problem lies.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:54 am
by Klomp
Adenusi wrote:Roy coming back isn't going to solve anything We all know where the real problem lies.
Let me guess, you think it's Love?
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:44 pm
by Adenusi
Klomp wrote:Adenusi wrote:Roy coming back isn't going to solve anything We all know where the real problem lies.
Let me guess, you think it's Love?
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:17 pm
by Klomp
“@BloodStrib: Here at Target Center for wolves morning and saw the press room apparently set up for press conference. Interesting.
http://t.co/5C1NIzcp”
“@DarrenWolfson: From two emails in the last hour: something definitely seems up with B-Roy. #twolves”
“@WojYahooNBA: Minnesota's Brandon Roy has had setbacks in knee rehab and a return date is uncertain, league source tells Y! Sports.”
“@DarrenWolfson: Brandon Roy's camp got back to me. They are offering no comment at this time. #twolves”
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:22 pm
by The J Rocka
He's done I have a feeling. He knows it. Too bad he had to go out this way but at least he gave it a shot.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:37 pm
by [RCG]
He fooled himself into thinking he could come back because he didn't feel pain (or had minimal pain) months into his "retirement." And he was probably bored and missed competing. I feel bad for the guy, he's probably feeling somewhat lost.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:39 pm
by eyeteeth
I was shocked when people started talking about him playing again recently. I am not at all surprised if he hangs it up.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:58 pm
by shrink
To summarize the CBA, if Brandon Roy retires:
A. Since he will not make the minimum requirements in his contract, next year is not guaranteed, and he is effectively a zero-production expiring. His salary counts for the rest of this season.
"Compensation Protection for 2013-14 is full, but protection for injury or illness is subject to elimination if player re-injures a past physical condition. Compensation Protection for 2013-14 will remain full in spite of above referenced potential injury if player is (i) on team's Active List for 65 or more 2012-13 Regular Season games or (ii) plays at least 1,400 minutes during the 2012-13
Regular Season."
B. Waiving him will result in a roster spot, giving us the space to add two players, since Josh Howard's space has not yet been filled.
C. MIN can apply for a Disabled Player exception by January 15th. If the NBA grants it, they will have a $2.65 mil exception for the rest of the season, that they can use on a free agent, or to "trade" for a player who is in the last year of his contract and making no more than $2.75 mil.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:01 pm
by Klomp
“@DarrenWolfson: I bet I'm in the minority, but I won't knock Kahn/Bayno on wanting Roy. It was a 1-yr roll-of-the-dice. Yes, I get that it failed. #twolves”
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:06 pm
by Murphs56
Klomp wrote:“@DarrenWolfson: I bet I'm in the minority, but I won't knock Kahn/Bayno on wanting Roy. It was a 1-yr roll-of-the-dice. Yes, I get that it failed. #twolves”
It was a ton of money they spent on him though when they could have attempted to get Mayo or Crawford
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:09 pm
by theGreatRC
I said it during the off season, I REALLY wanted Crawford and Lee and i'm still pissed we got neither.
I did warm up to B-Roy and didn't expect him to retire this early, but when I saw the Raptors game earlier this year, he just looked like he was going down the road to retirement.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:12 pm
by Klomp
Murphs56 wrote:Klomp wrote:“@DarrenWolfson: I bet I'm in the minority, but I won't knock Kahn/Bayno on wanting Roy. It was a 1-yr roll-of-the-dice. Yes, I get that it failed. #twolves”
It was a ton of money they spent on him though when they could have attempted to get Mayo or Crawford
Crawford signed a four year deal. No way we were doing that.
Mayo, sure we missed that, but his asking price was reportedly much higher at the beginning of free agency. That's why he waited two weeks before signing with anyone.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:19 pm
by Worm Guts
Plus Mayo was terrible his last couple seasons in Memphis.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:29 pm
by shrink
One last CBA point:
NBA insures the top 5 salaries on each team, which includes Roy. It's doubtful he was included in the 14 they can set aside, because his deal is so small, and the contract already had protections in it. NBA insurance will pay 80% of a disabled player's salary once he's been out 41 games, and that benefit is transferable if the player is traded.
Roy's contract is obviously a negative now, because some owner will be paying off the remaining 56 games in the schedule and getting no production for it. However, instead of this being a net $3.5 mil negative, the insurance will kick in for games 51-82 .. or about $1.5 mil in cash will come back to the owner from insurance company .. or a net $2 mil. Keep in mind he's still the same cap hit, but the overall cash is only a negative $2 mil.
Therefore, as a trade asset, this means that he has value to:
1. A team who has overpaid a similar player by $2 mil or more for the rest of the year.
2. Since it's been rumored Glen Taylor is willing to spend money next year, Roy's expiring deal may help them ship out a fair or slightly overpaid, multi-year deal -- if they feel they can get more value from the additional cap space than the current player.
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:34 pm
by Klomp
shrink will get a kick out of this:
“@JoanNiesen: IF Roy were to retire & Wolves to get career-ending injury exclusion approved (likely), his $5 mil would be removed from team salary Jan. 8.”
“@JoanNiesen: That would be contingent upon Roy playing 10 or fewer games this yr. Has played 5. Contract gone from team salary 60 days after last game.”
Re: Brandon Roy Update
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:52 pm
by shrink
Yeah, kind of cool, but it doesn't really help us much. Roy's exclusion would only be for this year, Taylor doesn't get out of paying the actual cash, and the $5 mil in cap space this year doesn't drag us back from under the lux, or put us far under the salary cap to do something interesting.
You can understand why POR was P.O.'d when they lost their exclusion on his larger, multi-year deal though!