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Post#16 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:13 pm by Mattya

I'd be open to Iggy, but it would be tough to space the floor with Ricky, Iggy, and AK47 playing 1/2/3. Very little minutes for Budinger would mean, we really only have two floor spacers in the rotation. Our defense would beast people with that lineup though.
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Post#17 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:38 pm by Klomp

Even if the only way for Cleveland to do this is with Nik, I'd say yes.
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Post#18 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:51 pm by Devilzsidewalk

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Post#19 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:52 pm by Krapinsky

[RCG] wrote:Obviously I would love Williams/Ridnour/1st for Varejao. But I wouldn't be opposed to a grand 3-team move to clear out Pek, Williams, Ridnour, Barea, Roy for Varejao and Calderon. We'd open up cap-space to pursue Iguodala.

Rubio/Shved/Vet.Min.
Iguodala/Shved/Lee
Kirilenko/Iguodala/Budinger
Love/Kirilenko/Cunningham
Varejao/Love/Stiemsma

It's a pipe dream but it sure would be fun to watch.


Interesting. Mayo may be much more affordable and a better fit though.
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Post#20 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:58 pm by Klomp

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Post#21 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:04 pm by Fire Mchale

I would be good as long as Pek, Love, Ricky, Shved or Cunningham aren't in the deal. The problem becomes whether or not Pek's desires to leave the team via FA increase with competition for minutes from Bob. And will Varejao be ok coming off the bench?

If we ultimately lose Pek through FA because we acquired Varejoa, I think I pass altogether.
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Post#22 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:31 pm by Fischella

I'd do something like...

to Charlotte, Derrick Williams, Ridnour
to Cleveland, Harrington, Pekovic
to Orlando, Sessions, Henderson, Casspi
to Minnesota, Afflalo, Varejao
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Post#23 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:37 pm by moss_is_1

Id be game for that....I wouldn't mind giving up Pek...but not Pek and D-will.

Im a little worried about Pek getting a big deal...while Av is on a great contract right now with how he's playing....even though AV is what,30? That makes me a bit hesitant.
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Post#24 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:56 pm by [RCG]

Or something like this:

MN: Noah. Bellinelli - best player, great fit next to Love
CLE: Pekovic, Ridnour (1st?) - Pekovic is expiring, gives them increased flexibility and solid back-up PG
CHI: Varejao, Williams - Nab Noah-like player in Varejao and a solid prospect in Williams.
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Post#25 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:05 pm by Krapinsky

Fischella wrote:I'd do something like...

to Charlotte, Derrick Williams, Ridnour
to Cleveland, Harrington, Pekovic
to Orlando, Sessions, Henderson, Casspi
to Minnesota, Afflalo, Varejao


Don't see Orlando doing that. Probably not Cleveland either.
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Post#26 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:19 pm by the_bruce

Usually these sorts of deals are primarily draft pick based IMO. Unfortunately, we've squandered our extras. I'd say try and flip JJ or Luke into an expiring, send steamer, and send the mem pick and future mn 1st top 3 protect.
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Post#27 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:27 pm by the_bruce

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c3y24lo

Mem pick mn pick to cle

Hou eats ridnour year and swaps out dwill for royce

Mn gambles the white will play for them and doesn't impact cap space next season. White is cheap and high risk reward. Hou gets high draft pick forward with loads of potential that will actually goto practice?
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Post#28 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:36 pm by Krapinsky

Rather not have White than have him. Negative asset IMO.
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Post#29 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:40 pm by AQuintus

the_bruce wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c3y24lo

Mem pick mn pick to cle

Hou eats ridnour year and swaps out dwill for royce

Mn gambles the white will play for them and doesn't impact cap space next season. White is cheap and high risk reward. Hou gets high draft pick forward with loads of potential that will actually goto practice?


Decent for Minnesota, though White is a net negative at this point.

Terrible for Cleveland and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too good for Houston. Turning a headcase that's not even playing for them into DWill and a quality backup PG is ridiculous.
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Post#30 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:54 pm by FinnTheHuman

I like Pek. Just don't trade him.
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Post#31 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:19 pm by shrink

Eight hours after their posts, and Pek's 31 point game, do people still want to deal Pek for Varejao?

People are going to differ on Varejao's value based on whether they evaluate players for their per game averages, or for their season totals. I'm the latter, because we pay for the whole season, and that's why I'm not as high on Varejao as most. He played 31 and 25 games his previous two seasons. I worry about whether all these injuries are bad luck, or the result of the way he plays the game.

I'd give Williams and Roy/Ridnour/Barea. I may throw in the pick if it's a deal-breaker. But I wouldn't go higher than that.
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Post#32 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:31 pm by karch34

I'd love Varejo as it would give us a killer front court. As far as minutes I think Saltine had a good breakdown. Cunningham has played great, but I think he loses some effectiveness when he gets heavy minutes. Also with the health and style of play with Love and Pek a quality big would be a great add. I wouldn't take him over Pek and would probably be where Shrink is on what I'd give.
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Post#33 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:32 pm by jfg

shrink wrote:Eight hours after their posts, and Pek's 31 point game, do people still want to deal Pek for Varejao?


Most people who have had decent ideas don't want to ship Pek but would if they get somebody who equals Pek's value but in different ways plus SG help in return. I have to say that I have backed off on considering Pek as a trade candidate because we're going to need him if Love bolts. Who knows if that will happen, but the only reason I'm down on Pek is because he doesn't compliment Love's weaknesses.
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Post#34 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:06 am by [RCG]

jfg wrote:
shrink wrote:Eight hours after their posts, and Pek's 31 point game, do people still want to deal Pek for Varejao?


Most people who have had decent ideas don't want to ship Pek but would if they get somebody who equals Pek's value but in different ways plus SG help in return. I have to say that I have backed off on considering Pek as a trade candidate because we're going to need him if Love bolts. Who knows if that will happen, but the only reason I'm down on Pek is because he doesn't compliment Love's weaknesses.


The only problem with that logic is we'll need to re-sign Pek because Love won't have to opportunity to "bolt" for another season or two.
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Post#35 Re: Varejao - what are we willing to give up?
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:28 am by the_bruce

AQuintus wrote:
the_bruce wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c3y24lo

Mem pick mn pick to cle

Hou eats ridnour year and swaps out dwill for royce

Mn gambles the white will play for them and doesn't impact cap space next season. White is cheap and high risk reward. Hou gets high draft pick forward with loads of potential that will actually goto practice?


Decent for Minnesota, though White is a net negative at this point.

Terrible for Cleveland and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too good for Houston. Turning a headcase that's not even playing for them into DWill and a quality backup PG is ridiculous.


Disagree for cle two future 1st is big imo
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