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Post#16 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 5:36 pm by [RCG]

This is what I come up with:

MN out: Williams, Ridnour, Roy, Memphis 1st
MN in: Gay


MEM out: Gay
MEM in: Williams, Gee/Miles, Memphis 1st, Lakers 1st


CLE in: Ridnour, Roy
CLE out: Lakers 1st


Rubio/Barea
(Budinger)/Shved
Gay/Kirilenko
Love/Kirilenko/Cunningham
Pekovic/Stiemsma


Conley/Bayless
Allen/Ellington
Williams/(Gee/Miles)/Pondexter
Randolph/Williams/Speights
Gasol/Haddadi


Irving/Ridnour
(Miles)Waiters/Gibson
(Gee)/Casspi/Walton
Thompson/Leuer/Samuels
Varejao/Zeller
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Post#17 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 5:49 pm by Grits n Gravy

Esohny wrote:Too expensive since it would probably cost Pekovic. And AK47 is playing a great all around game; I'd love to see him kept around on a 2-3 year deal at a lower annual cost than what he's currently on.

this...we have a lot of work to doto resign our own this off season - bud and pek, taking on rudy puts dampers on that.
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Post#18 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 5:58 pm by cpfsf

These articles are from 2010.

David Kahn says he plans to call two agents at 11 o'clock Wednesday, when the NBA's free-agency negotiation period begins. I hear from a good league source that one of those two guys is Memphis forward Rudy Gay. I texted David Kahn for a confirmation or denial Monday evening and he did not respond. Minneapolis Star-Tribune

The Minnesota Timberwolves are planning to meet face-to-face with top free-agent target Rudy Gay on Thursday night, according to sources close to the situation. The Wolves, armed with an estimated $13 million in cap space, were poised to invite Gay to Minnesota with a phone call when free agency commences Thursday at 12:01 a.m. ESPN.com


Rudy Gay was a restricted free agent at the time, but their GM offered the max as opposed to just matching any offer.
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Post#19 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 6:14 pm by The J Rocka

[RCG] wrote:This is what I come up with:

MN out: Williams, Ridnour, Roy, Memphis 1st
MN in: Gay


I wish that's all it would take. I'm not the biggest Gay fan because of his contract but we need another player that can create, slash, and shoot outside. Move Budinger to SG and have AK off the bench. Doubt that would happen though. I really like AK on our team. I'd try to get a SG first.
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Post#20 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 6:47 pm by theGreatRC

Who or what is Grantland? Is it a person or a site?

Has this source been reliable?
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Post#21 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 6:54 pm by Steve_Holiday

theGreatRC wrote:Who or what is Grantland? Is it a person or a site?

Has this source been reliable?


grantland is a sports/music/pop culture website with connections to espn.com. bill simmons started it...has a bunch of different columnists. I would guess this article was less a rumor from a source and more speculation about a potential landing spot for gay.
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Post#22 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 7:12 pm by [RCG]

theGreatRC wrote:Who or what is Grantland? Is it a person or a site?

Has this source been reliable?


I believe its an semi-independent website associated with ESPN started by Bill Simmons. It's semi-reliable but mostly just opinions, ideas and other random articles.
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Post#23 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 7:31 pm by IShotTheMaid

NO THANKS.

What the wolves need is a consistent 3-point shooter who can defend (like Afflalo but as we all know, Orlando likes him). Rudy Gay just doesn't fit on this team, both because AK is already here and Pekovic needs to be re-signed next season.

Under different circumstances, sure, but he just doesn't fit right now.

Plus, Williams is starting to play better anyways. So you either keep him or trade him for a legit SG.
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Post#24 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 8:02 pm by moss_is_1

Gay could solve some of our problems....I think he's been a bit of a disappointment and a little overrated by the casual fan....but fact is he can create his shot, has great size/athleticism, and is a pretty clutch scorer on the wing. AK's defense fits perfectly by Love/Pek, but Gay's offense would be a welcome addition. I'd probably pass, but I would be fine with the trade.
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Post#25 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 9:03 pm by Devilzsidewalk

i think they should see where they max out at when love breaks out his slump and rubio is healthy before any major moves.
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Post#26 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:13 pm by mrtcsm

Magic fan here... don't kill me here, but is this something that would make sense for you guyes:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1224041

It would hurt Min resigning Pek getting Turk back, but if they find a way to make it work... I think everybody wins!
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Post#27 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:19 pm by [RCG]

mrtcsm wrote:Magic fan here... don't kill me here, but is this something that would make sense for you guyes:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1224041

It would hurt Min resigning Pek getting Turk back, but if they find a way to make it work... I think everybody wins!


That's disgustingly bad for Minnesota. We have to take on Turkoglu and risk Redick leaving while giving up Williams and Barea. Easy no.
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Post#28 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:23 pm by The J Rocka

mrtcsm wrote:Magic fan here... don't kill me here, but is this something that would make sense for you guyes:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1224041

It would hurt Min resigning Pek getting Turk back, but if they find a way to make it work... I think everybody wins!

Which is why it won't work.

It doesn't make sense to move Williams for a +2 month rental for Redick when we won't be able to afford him in FA because we have Turk on our books. We also need to re-sign Budinger and give Pek an extension, which wouldn't be possible if this deal was made.

Only way Turk would come back here is if Afflalo is coming back.
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Post#29 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:37 pm by Devilzsidewalk

ugly brick off the glass for the non-game winner from Gay, yeesh. Any of our guys can do that just fine.
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Post#30 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:35 pm by shrink

mrtcsm wrote:Magic fan here... don't kill me here, but is this something that would make sense for you guyes:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1224041

It would hurt Min resigning Pek getting Turk back, but if they find a way to make it work... I think everybody wins!


I understand the rumors are that ORL is asking for more than Derrick Williams for JJ Redick, but taking on $12 mil owed to Turkoglu is pretty bad. In fact, I personally wouldn't give up Williams since Redick doesn't have an extra year on his deal.

MIN should keep all their assets, and offer Redick the MLE next year. He probably wouldn't take it, but it's certainly not worth the risk of him leaving to put any good assets in a deal.
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Post#31 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:52 pm by AQuintus

The J Rocka wrote:
Only way Turk would come back here is if Afflalo is coming back.


This. As it is right now, I don't think many Wolves fans would do a straight Williams for Reddick swap due to the threat of Reddick walking in the off-season. Adding in Barea, who has had occasional excellent games for us, and Turk kills the deal completely.

If we're taking back Turkey Glue's contract, then I'd demand Afflalo, to switch out Barea for Ridnour, and some kind of pick swap included.

Derrick Williams + Roy's contract + Ridnour for Afflalo + Turk + Pick Swap option
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Post#32 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Sat Jan 5, 2013 2:08 am by Saltine

I wouldn't give up more then Luke for a possible rental, no way Taylor lets Kahn move DWill for a rental player. Not going to happen...
Moving AK47 for Gay is not going to happen either. Gay sucks in the playoffs, and is overpaid, both of those are well known GM facts, which is why Memphis wants to move him.

He plays like Beas in the playoffs, super inefficient. Per 14.6
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Post#33 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Sat Jan 5, 2013 3:21 am by Peezo

kmgarnett21 wrote:Heck. No!

Anything that makes it more difficult for us to re-sign Pekovic does not make sense to me.

Plus, like others have said, AK's defense/intangibles are more important than what Gay could bring us.


Yeah to me the math is off if you say: MN + Gay = MN - AK and Pek (next season)

I would be WAY more interested in signing Tony Allen away from them in the offseason. Glen says he will go into the luxury tax.

Ricky/JJ (or Luke)
Tony Allen/Shved
AK/draft pick/Nemanja (or preferably Bud if we can re-sign him for cheap enough)
Love/Williams/Cunningham
Pek/Cunningham/Stiemsma

To me that is a team we could actually afford and that and wouldn't require us to break up our core. We would probably have to go right up to the luxury threshold to sign that team depending on who we keep and who gets jettisoned.

Also why would we want to help Memphis get under the tax anyways? I'd rather see that team have to break it up and hurt what a nice thing they have going.
Turnover_21 wrote:So who do we get? Capspace? Is Capspace white?
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Post#34 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Sat Jan 5, 2013 3:29 am by Peezo

mrtcsm wrote:Magic fan here... don't kill me here, but is this something that would make sense for you guyes:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1224041

It would hurt Min resigning Pek getting Turk back, but if they find a way to make it work... I think everybody wins!


I'm certainly in the minority here, but I don't even want to trade Derrick for JJ straight up considering he can walk, so I don't think this value is as strong as you'd think. Also I think the fact that ORL says it will take more than Williams doesn't mean there is any way we would pay more than that. It just sounds as if your GM would want more, doesn't mean we were/are contemplating offering more than DW. I sure hope we aren't.
Turnover_21 wrote:So who do we get? Capspace? Is Capspace white?
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Post#35 Re: Rudy Gay (Grantland)
Sat Jan 5, 2013 9:28 am by Dewey

AQuintus wrote:
The J Rocka wrote:
Only way Turk would come back here is if Afflalo is coming back.


This. As it is right now, I don't think many Wolves fans would do a straight Williams for Reddick swap due to the threat of Reddick walking in the off-season. Adding in Barea, who has had occasional excellent games for us, and Turk kills the deal completely.

If we're taking back Turkey Glue's contract, then I'd demand Afflalo, to switch out Barea for Ridnour, and some kind of pick swap included.

Derrick Williams + Roy's contract + Ridnour for Afflalo + Turk + Pick Swap option


Agree on keeping JJB over Ridnour, but I'm actually okay with Reddick or Afflalo if came down to it. I think reddick would love his fit here.
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