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Post#46 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:24 pm by Cashin out

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Cashin out wrote:You guys seriously wouldn't trade Kirlenko/Dwill for Varejao?

Varejao would give you guys the best big 3 bigman rotation in the NBA with Love/Pek/Varejao.


1. No.

2. We would have no starting caliber small forward.

3. Cleveland would cut the Lakers out entirely and take Kirilenko for themselves.
Why would Cleveland want Kirlenko?

I imagine if they trade Varejao they would want a younger player back in return so they can pair with Irving.Which is why I put LA in the deal,Cleveland would get Dwill and Jordan Hill back,and we get Kirlenko.
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Post#47 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:28 pm by Basti

Cashin out wrote:You guys seriously wouldn't trade Kirlenko/Dwill for Varejao?

Varejao would give you guys the best big 3 bigman rotation in the NBA with Love/Pek/Varejao.


Nope, not at all. I will go out on a limb and say that Kirilenko has a higher trade value (in particular because he's at least pretty much healthy) than Varejao. We're not going to give up AK for Andy. Having to add Williams in your proposed deal is dumb for us.

You have to face it, there's no way for the Lakers to obtain Kirilenko without giving up significant pieces.
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Post#48 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:28 pm by Mattya

Cashin out wrote:
Mattya wrote:
Cashin out wrote:You guys seriously wouldn't trade Kirlenko/Dwill for Varejao?

Varejao would give you guys the best big 3 bigman rotation in the NBA with Love/Pek/Varejao.


1. No.

2. We would have no starting caliber small forward.

3. Cleveland would cut the Lakers out entirely and take Kirilenko for themselves.
Why would Cleveland want Kirlenko?

I imagine if they trade Varejao they would want a younger player back in return so they can pair with Irving.Which is why I put LA in the deal,Cleveland would get Dwill and Jordan Hill back,and we get Kirlenko.


They are getting a young player in Williams. They have Zeller, they have Thompson. They don't have much help at small forward. Just because you are young doesn't mean every player on your roster has to be young. Not to mention Hill doesn't have near the value to get Kirilenko. Just like Pau doesn't.
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Post#49 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:33 pm by Klomp

“@JoanNiesen: Kahn said the team is talking to a number of other teams about trades, but don't expect anything in Jan. Would be closer to Feb 21 deadline.”
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Post#50 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:46 pm by Esohny

Cashin out wrote:
Mattya wrote:
Cashin out wrote:You guys seriously wouldn't trade Kirlenko/Dwill for Varejao?

Varejao would give you guys the best big 3 bigman rotation in the NBA with Love/Pek/Varejao.


1. No.

2. We would have no starting caliber small forward.

3. Cleveland would cut the Lakers out entirely and take Kirilenko for themselves.
Why would Cleveland want Kirlenko?

I imagine if they trade Varejao they would want a younger player back in return so they can pair with Irving.Which is why I put LA in the deal,Cleveland would get Dwill and Jordan Hill back,and we get Kirlenko.


For one thing, because the other teams in the league aren't there just to provide ridiculous sweetheart deals to the Lakers.
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Post#51 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:55 pm by The J Rocka

Cashin out wrote:Make it a 3way deal with LA.

Minny gets: Varejao
Cle gets: Dwill/Hill
LA gets: Kirlenko

So you guys basically give up Kirlenko/Dwill for Varejao,what you guys think?

I have a better idea, fork over an extended Dwight and we'll send you back Barea + Roy + Williams.
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Post#52 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:00 pm by Turnover_21

If we're looking at a Varajao type player then I's rather swap Williams for Jordan Hill and cash. He's younger, much cheaper and has no serious injury concerns. He's not as good obviously but for a backup he's more than good enough.
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Post#53 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:09 pm by C.lupus

Klomp wrote:
“@JoanNiesen: Kahn said the team is talking to a number of other teams about trades, but don't expect anything in Jan. Would be closer to Feb 21 deadline.”

I hope Ricky comes back to form very quickly then because the next 20 games are going to be pretty brutal.
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Post#54 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:34 pm by Varejao17

Esohny wrote:For one thing, because the other teams in the league aren't there just to provide ridiculous sweetheart deals to the Lakers.


You couldn't say it better sir!
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Post#55 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:53 pm by GopherIt!

This rumor is b.s.
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Post#56 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:00 pm by C.lupus

I think it went down like this:

Phone rings.
Kahn: "Hello"
Grant: "Hi Dave. Hey you guys interested in Varejao?"
Kahn: "Maybe"
Grant: "How 'bout Andy for Pek?"
Kahn: "How 'bout Andy for Derrick"
Pause.
Grant: "You guys interested in Casspi?"
Kahn: "Maybe. Casspi for Amundson?"
Grant: "Well it's been good talking to you Dave. Say hi to the wife."
Kahn: "You, too Chris. Talk again next month?"
Grant: "You bet."
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Post#57 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 5:46 pm by AQuintus

Minnesota would probably want the Cavs to take back forward Derrick Williams, which could be a deal-breaker.


This is as far as anyone goes in this rumor before completely dismissing it as crap.

Yeah, I'm sure a young, athletic, improving PF on a rookie contract would be a deal breaker for the Cavs. :roll:

I'm beginning to think that people are confusing Williams and Cousins. Cousins is the the Kings' Center who is an inefficient major headcase and locker room cancer. Williams is the Timberwolves' PF who was recently picked number 2 overall and has been a consummate professional about his playing time so far.
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Post#58 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 6:11 pm by Foye

If this is true I'll quit on the Wolves until Kahn is fired. :lol:
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Post#59 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 6:14 pm by Peezo

AQuintus wrote:Williams is the Timberwolves' PF who was recently picked number 2 overall and has been a consummate professional about his playing time so far.


I think our collective opinion on Derrick is changing a little bit (for some it never will, and for some it was always a little bit more positive) but the rest of the league probably doesn't know that (from a fan perspective). I tend to think you hold onto him. The sell-high window is clearly closed. All that is left now is sell-low. I could actually see a lot of teams being interested as he would probably come at somewhat of a discount and still has some potential.

I think a Varejao deal would only happen (like many have said) if we know we can't keep Pek. If it does happen, please include Casspi if he is unhappy. I think he is a nice player and would have value for us. His salary would actually make the deal harder on our side though as Pek makes less than Varejao, so I wonder what more it would take.
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Post#60 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 6:28 pm by teamwillow

keep pek, give them love. Pek/Varejao.
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Post#61 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 6:42 pm by Calinks

End of the day Williams at 21 years of age, can still be considered a project because he has potential. Those guys are usually considered positive assets not something you are forced to take on. I don't see why the Cavs would be upset at D-Will be "thrown into" a Pekovic trade.

If I was a rebuilding team I'd def think about taking a crack at him.
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Post#62 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 7:13 pm by Vuc N Pek

i am not quite sure why would Minny give young,athletic PF which can develop as time goes and Pek which is one of the best scoring centers for Varejao "good rebounder" while Minny is #1 rebounding team along with Nuggets.
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Post#63 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 7:31 pm by Peezo

I think another understated aspect of our team is that we have had so many injuries (that is clearly NOT understated) that we shouldn't and probably are not in a rush to make any "throw-ins" where we would be sending two of our contributors for one. We have about 8 healthy players on any given night, and don't need to lower the number of people who have played in our system. At some point in the NBA, you need bodies. This is not a reason to keep anyone, simply one more reason why in this case Derrick should not be seen as a throw in.
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Post#64 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:01 pm by [RCG]

Williams along with a PG and possibly pick for Varejao is fine. Trading Pek for him AND adding Williams is overkill and would come back to bite when Varejao misses 20+ games next season.
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Post#65 Re: Varejao Rumor
Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:15 pm by Niko23

Can you guys give me a breakdown on how Williams gets his points? Is it mainly perimeter oriented or is it in the post? Again I agree that we, the Cavs, cannot expect a Pek for AV trade. I think it would be D Will and a pick for AV.
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