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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Turnover_21 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:15 pm

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Turnover_21 wrote:Still think we trade the pick for a vet. You just don't win games with young players unless you draft a superstar. All those Oladipo's or whoevers are not going to be gamechagers for a few years.


we have a good amount of vets. nothing wrong with improving depth through the draft.


Again it's a well known fact that teams with more vets are more successfull and win more games than teams with mostly young inexperienced players. And again your boy Kevin Love just met with grandpa Glenn and apparently they are on the same page and I can bet money that the page is called winning more games in near future. So add that to our coach who doesn't really play young players unless those players have advanced BB IQ and it makes our draft pick just a trade asset for a win now type player.

Don't get your hopes up, draft nuts.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby [RCG] on Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:43 pm

Chase Budinger turned out really well didn't he? Houston traded him because they were trying to get a package of young talent & picks to trade for Dwight and they had a superior player in Parsons at his position.

Teams don't trade good talent on good contracts for picks. Who are we looking at (SG/SF/C) that we can trade the pick for? Redick will be a free agent, the Wizards bigs are paid too much to match salary for, most lottery teams don't have nice talent. Do you want DeRozan? He's probably available. Wilson Chandler? Your options are extremely limited. You win by having talented players. Age/inexperience has little to do with it. Look at Irving & Lillard, they help their teams win.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Turnover_21 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:05 pm

[RCG] wrote:Chase Budinger turned out really well didn't he? Houston traded him because they were trying to get a package of young talent & picks to trade for Dwight and they had a superior player in Parsons at his position.

Teams don't trade good talent on good contracts for picks. Who are we looking at (SG/SF/C) that we can trade the pick for? Redick will be a free agent, the Wizards bigs are paid too much to match salary for, most lottery teams don't have nice talent. Do you want DeRozan? He's probably available. Wilson Chandler? Your options are extremely limited. You win by having talented players. Age/inexperience has little to do with it. Look at Irving & Lillard, they help their teams win.


WTF are you talking about? Bud looked exactly like what we needed until he tore his meniscus and I hope he is brought back next season. And remind me please how many games have Terence Jones won for Houston?
And as far as players available for our draft pick? I'm pretty sure someone like Afflalo is a good target.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Worm Guts on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:07 pm

I'm sure we'll consider trading the pick, but as mentioned it's tough to find good players on good contracts that other teams are willing to trade for picks. Monetarily, we might be better off just keeping the pick and having a player who's paid rookie scale.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby AQuintus on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:12 pm

[RCG] wrote:Chase Budinger turned out really well didn't he?


Are you serious?

The Budinger trade looked incredible before he got injured, and the pick that Houston got (Terrance Jones?) has done nothing for them so far.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Turnover_21 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:19 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I'm sure we'll consider trading the pick, but as mentioned it's tough to find good players on good contracts that other teams are willing to trade for picks. Monetarily, we might be better off just keeping the pick and having a player who's paid rookie scale.


rebuilding teams trade solid vets for draft picks all the time.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby [RCG] on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:20 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:WTF are you talking about? Bud looked exactly like what we needed until he tore his meniscus and I hope he is brought back next season. And remind me please how many games have Terence Jones won for Houston?
And as far as players available for our draft pick? I'm pretty sure someone like Afflalo is a good target.


I'm just saying that things didn't go as planned and now Bud is a RFA with basically no court times for the Wolves. And Afflalo might be available but he was pretty much the key piece for Dwight and it would likely have to be D.Will + our 1st for Afflalo. We got lucky that a number of factors combined to make Budinger available. Guys who are likely to be available:

DeRozan, Dudley, Turner, Henderson, Gordon, Brooks, maybe Afflalo, Ellis, Brewer, Chandler, Evans. Some of those guys would probably need more than the 1st too. I don't think we're "trading a pick for a final piece" away.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Worm Guts on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:24 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:I'm sure we'll consider trading the pick, but as mentioned it's tough to find good players on good contracts that other teams are willing to trade for picks. Monetarily, we might be better off just keeping the pick and having a player who's paid rookie scale.


rebuilding teams trade solid vets for draft picks all the time.


But those vets have big contracts, and that might be an issue for us.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Worm Guts on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:25 pm

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Turnover_21 wrote:WTF are you talking about? Bud looked exactly like what we needed until he tore his meniscus and I hope he is brought back next season. And remind me please how many games have Terence Jones won for Houston?
And as far as players available for our draft pick? I'm pretty sure someone like Afflalo is a good target.


I'm just saying that things didn't go as planned and now Bud is a RFA with basically no court times for the Wolves. And Afflalo might be available but he was pretty much the key piece for Dwight and it would likely have to be D.Will + our 1st for Afflalo. We got lucky that a number of factors combined to make Budinger available. Guys who are likely to be available:

DeRozan, Dudley, Turner, Henderson, Gordon, Brooks, maybe Afflalo, Ellis, Brewer, Chandler, Evans. Some of those guys would probably need more than the 1st too. I don't think we're "trading a pick for a final piece" away.


I don't think I'd trade our pick for any of those guys, let alone a pick +.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Turnover_21 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:28 pm

[RCG] wrote:
I'm just saying that things didn't go as planned and now Bud is a RFA with basically no court times for the Wolves. And Afflalo might be available but he was pretty much the key piece for Dwight and it would likely have to be D.Will + our 1st for Afflalo. We got lucky that a number of factors combined to make Budinger available. Guys who are likely to be available:

DeRozan, Dudley, Turner, Henderson, Gordon, Brooks, maybe Afflalo, Ellis, Brewer, Chandler, Evans. Some of those guys would probably need more than the 1st too. I don't think we're "trading a pick for a final piece" away.


We are on pace for a top 10 pick. And most players on your list are realistic gets, many due to contract reasons. And do you really want to trade a top 10 pick for Brooks, Brewer or Dudley?
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby [RCG] on Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:32 pm

I listed guys who are reasonably available and I wouldn't trade a top-10 picks for most of those guys. Dudley I would, but would Phoenix? Afflalo I would but thats about it.
On the Wolves trading Kirilenko, Williams & Ridnour for Pau Gasol:
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Klomp on Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:35 pm

[RCG] wrote:I listed guys who are reasonably available and I wouldn't trade a top-10 picks for most of those guys. Dudley I would, but would Phoenix? Afflalo I would but thats about it.

Dudley's not worth a top 10 pick.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby [RCG] on Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:12 pm

Dudley is worth the #8 or #9 pick if Porter, Len, Noel, McLemore, Shabazz are all gone. Or Dudley + a later pick.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Tirion on Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:21 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:And again your boy Kevin Love just met with grandpa Glenn and apparently they are on the same page and I can bet money that the page is called winning more games in near future.


They met because Taylor needs to sell tickets for the 2nd half of the season, so he was asking Love to play in March-April.

Short-term cash rules everyting around Papa Glen. Often to the detriment of the other aspects of franchise managment.
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Re: Pick Watch 2013

Postby Turnover_21 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:52 pm

Tirion wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:And again your boy Kevin Love just met with grandpa Glenn and apparently they are on the same page and I can bet money that the page is called winning more games in near future.


They met because Taylor needs to sell tickets for the 2nd half of the season, so he was asking Love to play in March-April.

Short-term cash rules everyting around Papa Glen. Often to the detriment of the other aspects of franchise managment.


You're wrong. Taylor has Rubio to sell tickets and it's not hard to see why. As you might have noticed Love fell out of favor with alot of fans. So I think the meeting was more to clear the air and to see if Love may want to change address. So far he said that he wants to stick around for now.
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