Who should start: Budinger or Brewer

[dunkonu21]

So, this is going to be a big question down the road during training camp.

Brewer-Individual defensive specialist, speedy transition player, corner 3 point shooter. Not the best shooter, can't dribble, new to system.

Budinger-Knows system better than anyone, great cutter, very good shooter, makes more plays than CB and a better overall athlete (arguable). Defense is huge question along with durability.

IMO, I think we put the better player on the court. In that respect I find Budinger as a much better and higher potential player. The thing I like most about starting Budinger is, by combining him and Martin on the wing, we'll have very familiar and expert players with the offensive system.

I know many are concerned with defense if Budinger and Martin start. To me, I'm fine with not starting that d-specialist right off the bat. We will run teams out of the gym and defense is a matter of desire. Martin already spoke to the difference of team vs individual defense. If we get into the nitty gritty of learning defense, we can be good enough to make this work.

Who do you want and why?

[C.lupus]

I think CB should start.

[dunkonu21]

just cuz ur a retired mod, doesn't mean you can't follow the rules! gosh!

[The J Rocka]

I like the defense in the starting lineup. If Brew starts bricking open 3s like Wes Johnson and he's hurting the team's rhythm, take him out and insert Bud.

[Jukeness]

I feel like if the Wolves were in need of a lift off the bench, Brewer would give it to them, he would bring the spark and energy needed in some games.

[LaViggins]

Ive been thinking about this, and also been thinking about Dwill. Mostly about how Dwill plays better when he and Ricky are on the floor together. I think we have enough offense in the starting lineup, if Dwill can work on his D and focus on his strengths, call me crazy but Id like to see him start.

[C.lupus]

just cuz ur a retired mod, doesn't mean you can't follow the rules! gosh!

Rules Shmules!

TBH, I keep waffling on this. I guess right now I'd vote for Brewer starting because there is still plenty of scoring and questionable defense in the starting unit with Love, Pek, and Martin. On the other hand a defensive unit of Barea/Shved/Budinger/Williams is pretty bad, too.

In the end, I think they will both have plenty of time won the floor with Rubio so maybe it doesn't matter.





IDK, stop making me think!!!

[Worm Guts]

I don't think it needs to predetermined, just experiment with different lineups during training camp and find out what works.

[The J Rocka]

Hopefully we can package Williams + Shabazz at the deadline for an upgrade at the 3. Ideally, both CBs should come off the bench.

Pek/Turiaf/Dieng
Love/Cunningham
_____/Budinger
Martin/Brewer/Shved
Rubio/Barea/Shved

[Devilzsidewalk]

Hopefully we can package Williams + Shabazz at the deadline for an upgrade at the 3. Ideally, both CBs should come off the bench.

Pek/Turiaf/Dieng
Love/Cunningham
_____/Budinger
Martin/Brewer/Shved
Rubio/Barea/Shved

seems like an overpay for a short term rental like Granger or somebody like that and not feasible for a long term move since theres like 20 mil in backups between Budinger, Brewer, Barea, and Shved.

[The J Rocka]

Hopefully we can package Williams + Shabazz at the deadline for an upgrade at the 3. Ideally, both CBs should come off the bench.

Pek/Turiaf/Dieng
Love/Cunningham
_____/Budinger
Martin/Brewer/Shved
Rubio/Barea/Shved

seems like an overpay for a short term rental like Granger or somebody like that and not feasible for a long term move since theres like 20 mil in backups between Budinger, Brewer, Barea, and Shved.

Tough call. We obviously haven't seen enough Pek/Love/Rubio play together at 100% so for all we know we could be a serious team with those 3 alone. Add in Martin who claims he can drop 18 pts in his sleep, we might be alright with one of the CBs starting.

Maybe Lion worked his tail off this off-season and is ready to contribute? For now, I'm not holding my breath and can't find a place for Williams on this roster, especially when we'll have to decide on his contract option for 14/15 at $6.6M. Too much for him to be coming off the bench.

[dunkonu21]

I think you have to look at the second unit to make this decision.

I look at JJ and Shved leading the way in the second unit, and for that to be the case they need to handle the ball. This leaves Budinger in the cold to a degree (he should be given volume shots as he is efficient).

Brewer will shore up the d with Turiaf/Dieng/Cunningham. To me, the defense isn't the responsibility for the 5th starter, it's the responsibility of Love, Pek and Martin to figure out how to co-exist on the defensive end.

I agree that either one of these two at SF is a little underwhelming, but Budinger has not really been in a great situation like this. Hopefully he can score 13 ppg and shoot 36+% 3fg, if he does that, then I don't think we need to find an outside piece to replace him.

[Klomp]

To me, the defense isn't the responsibility for the 5th starter, it's the responsibility of Love, Pek and Martin to figure out how to co-exist on the defensive end..

This is basically it. Starting Brewer instead of Budinger won't be the difference in how good our defense will be. The key will be how everyone buys into the team defense concepts.

[Dewey]

Hopefully we can package Williams + Shabazz at the deadline for an upgrade at the 3. Ideally, both CBs should come off the bench.

Pek/Turiaf/Dieng
Love/Cunningham
_____/Budinger
Martin/Brewer/Shved
Rubio/Barea/Shved

In a nutshell - this is pretty much where we end up.

[funfactor]

Ive been thinking about this, and also been thinking about Dwill. Mostly about how Dwill plays better when he and Ricky are on the floor together. I think we have enough offense in the starting lineup, if Dwill can work on his D and focus on his strengths, call me crazy but Id like to see him start.

You are crazy sir.

The starting line up it's not as important as the closing one. Let CB starting and finish games with Chase. He is clutch.

[Ice32]

I think it really doesn't matter - their career averages are almost identical (Chase is the better shooter) but Brewer can get hot in a hurry and score points quickly (in the 11 games he scored 20+ last season, Denver won every game)

-Does Chase get the volume shots in the starting 5 though, or off the bench?

-Do you give CBrew the green light to shoot off the bench, or would you rather Chase get that?

-Do you have CBrew concentrate on D in the starting 5 alongside Rubio/Martin, or hope Chase can be effective?

I like the idea of CBrew starting simply for defensive reasons. Rubio will have Martin on the perimeter, then that continues when Chase enters the game. Just seems like there isn't enough shots for Pek/Martin/Love AND Chase to start a game with. Someone needs to be the guy who is happy just running around, causing havoc and getting the fast break dunk = Brewer.

[delux55]

Whoever plays better next to Rubio. The bench does seem to have a far amount of scorers already so maybe Chase should start. I am really torn to pick one either way, training camp will decide who gets the starting job

[Krapinsky]

I'm sure we'll see how both fit during the preseason and we'll go with the one that proves to be the better fit.

[LaViggins]

Ive been thinking about this, and also been thinking about Dwill. Mostly about how Dwill plays better when he and Ricky are on the floor together. I think we have enough offense in the starting lineup, if Dwill can work on his D and focus on his strengths, call me crazy but Id like to see him start.

You are crazy sir.

The starting line up it's not as important as the closing one.Let CB starting and finish games with Chase. He is clutch.

Wow that last sentence took me a while to understand. CB = Chase Budinger/Corey Brewer guessing you meant Brewer. Well I look at it this way Dwill wont be able to show his potential unless he gets mins, start him make him play D and have Ricky throw alley oops to him because he is one of the best dunkers on our team and dunking isnt to strong in the four obvious starters. Meanwhile have Chase and Brewer come off the bench together Barea/Shved/Budinger/Brewer/Cunningham or throw in a bigger backup C if its not small ball. I just think we will get the most out of Chase and Corey if they arent always on the court with our stars. Dont get me wrong I like both of them, but were paying a lot and should be maximizing their potential.

[Klomp]

With Martin, Love, and Pekovic, I think the starting lineup will focus on offensive efficiency. The bench will be more uptempo with guys like Barea, Shved, Williams, Cunningham, Turiaf, Johnson, Dieng. Since Brewer seems to fit better in uptempo play and Budinger is more of a half court player, I'd start Budinger.