Rubio Thread Siete

[NewWolvesOrder]

Lawson is as overrated as Rubio is underrated. Lawson is good at scoring, passing, and rebounding but isn't elite at any one thing. He's also terrible at defense and is alcoholic.

Rubio is elite at his position in defense, rebounding, and passing. He's poor at individual scoring and has played half as many minutes due to injuries.

how in the hell is Rubio elite in passing when Lawson isn't when Lawson averaged 9.6 assists last year, more then Rubio has averaged in any year? Lawson was 3rd in the league last year and 2nd the year before, both better then Rubio.

And yet Rubio had better assists numbers per 36 min and per 100 poss in both of those years. Arguing that Rubio is not an an elite passer is a new level of trolling. Keep up the hard work, it's good for the lols.

P.S. if Lawson got all those numbers while playing drunk, then damn, what a beast. I bet Rubio can't play while wasted

[guest81]

Lawson is as overrated as Rubio is underrated. Lawson is good at scoring, passing, and rebounding but isn't elite at any one thing. He's also terrible at defense and is alcoholic.

Rubio is elite at his position in defense, rebounding, and passing. He's poor at individual scoring and has played half as many minutes due to injuries.

how in the hell is Rubio elite in passing when Lawson isn't when Lawson averaged 9.6 assists last year, more then Rubio has averaged in any year? Lawson was 3rd in the league last year and 2nd the year before, both better then Rubio.

And yet Rubio had better assists numbers per 36 min and per 100 poss in both of those years. Arguing that Rubio is not an an elite passer is a new level of trolling. Keep up the hard work, it's good for the lols.

P.S. if Lawson got all those numbers while playing drunk, then damn, what a beast. I bet Rubio can't play while wasted

pay attention, I didn't say Rubio wasn't an elite passer, I said if Lawson isn't an elite passer then how is Rubio if Lawson gets more assists

[Merc_Porto]

I'll take Rubio over Lawson every day.

But i know that 95% of the NBA fans would take Lawson over Rubio if we are talking only about basketball.

[C.lupus]

Lawson is as overrated as Rubio is underrated. Lawson is good at scoring, passing, and rebounding but isn't elite at any one thing. He's also terrible at defense and is alcoholic.

Rubio is elite at his position in defense, rebounding, and passing. He's poor at individual scoring and has played half as many minutes due to injuries.

how in the hell is Rubio elite in passing when Lawson isn't when Lawson averaged 9.6 assists last year, more then Rubio has averaged in any year? Lawson was 3rd in the league last year and 2nd the year before, both better then Rubio.

Career stats:
Rubio = 8.2 apg, 13.0 assists/100 possessions
Lawson = 6.6 apg. 10.6 assists/100 possessions

[guest81]

Lawson is as overrated as Rubio is underrated. Lawson is good at scoring, passing, and rebounding but isn't elite at any one thing. He's also terrible at defense and is alcoholic.

Rubio is elite at his position in defense, rebounding, and passing. He's poor at individual scoring and has played half as many minutes due to injuries.

how in the hell is Rubio elite in passing when Lawson isn't when Lawson averaged 9.6 assists last year, more then Rubio has averaged in any year? Lawson was 3rd in the league last year and 2nd the year before, both better then Rubio.

Career stats:
Rubio = 8.2 apg, 13.0 assists/100 possessions
Lawson = 6.6 apg. 10.6 assists/100 possessions

you didn't answer the question

[Worm Guts]

He just proved your question was dumb

[guest81]

He just proved your question was dumb

helpful to the conversation. Go ahead and try to post on any other board that Lawson isn't a elite passer yet Rubio is and you'll be laughed off and called a troll.

[cpfsf]

but why male models?

[Worm Guts]

He just proved your question was dumb

helpful to the conversation. Go ahead and try to post on any other board that Lawson isn't a elite passer yet Rubio is and you'll be laughed off and called a troll.

I think everyone knows Rubio is a better passer, on probably every other board.

[guest81]

He just proved your question was dumb

helpful to the conversation. Go ahead and try to post on any other board that Lawson isn't a elite passer yet Rubio is and you'll be laughed off and called a troll.

I think everyone knows Rubio is a better passer, on probably every other board.

oh my goodness, that wasn't even the topic being discussed, pay attention to whats actually being argued before throwing out juvenile insults please

[cpfsf]

but why male models?

[Worm Guts]

helpful to the conversation. Go ahead and try to post on any other board that Lawson isn't a elite passer yet Rubio is and you'll be laughed off and called a troll.

I think everyone knows Rubio is a better passer, on probably every other board.

oh my goodness, that wasn't even the topic being discussed, pay attention to whats actually being argued before throwing out juvenile insults please

If Rubio is the better passer, why would anyone laugh if you said Rubio was elite and Lawson wasn't? Because of some arbitrary definition of elite?

[C.lupus]

To expound on this...

Career stats:
Paul = 9.9 apg, 14.5 a/100
Rondo = 8.3 apg, 13.4 a/100
Rubio = 8.2 apg, 13.0 a/100
Wall = 8.7 apg. 12.4 a/100
Westbrook = 5.2 apg. 10.8 a/100
Lawson = 6.6 apg. 10.6 a/100
Teague = 5.0 apg. 10.1 a/100
Curry = 6.9 apg. 9.8 a/100
Parker = 5.9 apg. 9.7 a/100
Rose = 6.5 apg. 9.5 a/100
Conley = 5.6 apg. 9.0 a/100
Lillard = 6.1 apg. 8.5 a/100
Irving = 5.7 apg. 8.5 a/100

Sorted by assists per 100 possesions to put everyone on equal footing.

Of course "elite" is somewhat subjective but there is a clear separation between Wall at #4 and Westbrook at #5 so I would place the elite demarcation line there (using this measurement). Like I said earlier Lawson is good, Rubio is elite. And I'm not even getting into things like seeing angles and making passes that nobody else would attempt to make that really separate Rubio. But there aren't hard numbers for those things so I'll leave them out of the discussion.

[Takingbaconback]

To expound on this...

Career stats:
Paul = 9.9 apg, 14.5 a/100
Rondo = 8.3 apg, 13.4 a/100
Rubio = 8.2 apg, 13.0 a/100
Wall = 8.7 apg. 12.4 a/100
Westbrook = 5.2 apg. 10.8 a/100
Lawson = 6.6 apg. 10.6 a/100
Teague = 5.0 apg. 10.1 a/100
Curry = 6.9 apg. 9.8 a/100
Parker = 5.9 apg. 9.7 a/100
Rose = 6.5 apg. 9.5 a/100
Conley = 5.6 apg. 9.0 a/100
Lillard = 6.1 apg. 8.5 a/100
Irving = 5.7 apg. 8.5 a/100

Sorted by assists per 100 possesions to put everyone on equal footing.

Of course "elite" is somewhat subjective but there is a clear separation between Wall at #4 and Westbrook at #5 so I would place the elite demarcation line there (using this measurement). Like I said earlier Lawson is good, Rubio is elite. And I'm not even getting into things like seeing angles and making passes that nobody else would attempt to make that really separate Rubio. But there aren't hard numbers for those things so I'll leave them out of the discussion.

Also Rubio hasn't had good shooters to play with in his career other than a couple. In fact, he probably had the worst mid range/perimeter shooters around him in his career in this list. There are many games where you think if Wes Johnson, Derrick Williams, X scrubs made their wide open shots, Rubio would have had twice as many assists.

[funfactor]

We were talking about this article (I think) http://hoopshabit.com/2015/08/07/nba-re-drafting-2009-nba-drafts-top-10/
and how they put Holliday and Lawson above Rubio. Anyway Rubio was still on the top 10 in the redraft.

Drafting is about the first 3 or 4 years of the players career. I like those 3 or 4 years of Lawson and Holliday so... I don't see the problem. Anyway I'm happy Rubio is a Twolf. And I think nobody here thinks that any of those 2 are better passers than our unicorn. Maybe Rondo, maybe CP3 and that's about it.

[AQuintus]

Drafting is about the first 3 or 4 years of the players career.

What? At the very least, drafting is about the first 8 years of a player's career, since that's the amount of time that a team can expect to definitely keep their drafted players due to restricted free agency. Realistically, it's about the player's career from year's 4-8+ since the first 3 years are usually more about development.

[Vindicater]

how in the hell is Rubio elite in passing when Lawson isn't when Lawson averaged 9.6 assists last year, more then Rubio has averaged in any year? Lawson was 3rd in the league last year and 2nd the year before, both better then Rubio.

Career stats:
Rubio = 8.2 apg, 13.0 assists/100 possessions
Lawson = 6.6 apg. 10.6 assists/100 possessions

you didn't answer the question

Yes he did. You just don't understand the answer.

[A1FromDay1]

Not the case here, but how would you guys rank 2 players who have the exact same (high) numbers, but while one is making impossible passes all the time, the other is just so good attacking, that he gets most of his assists by passing out of double-teams and triple-teams? How do they rank as passers? Same?

[funfactor]

Not the case here, but how would you guys rank 2 players who have the exact same (high) numbers, but while one is making impossible passes all the time, the other is just so good attacking, that he gets most of his assists by passing out of double-teams and triple-teams? How do they rank as passers? Same?

Just mumbling here but the high risk pass correlates with more turnovers (and transition points of the rival) and maybe (not sure here) better field goal % of the team?

[m2002brian]

Not the case here, but how would you guys rank 2 players who have the exact same (high) numbers, but while one is making impossible passes all the time, the other is just so good attacking, that he gets most of his assists by passing out of double-teams and triple-teams? How do they rank as passers? Same?

Just mumbling here but the high risk pass correlates with more turnovers (and transition points of the rival) and maybe (not sure here) better field goal % of the team?

Assist/game career
Rubio 8.2
Lawson 6.6

VERDICT = Rubio

Assist to Turn Over Ratio (Career)
Rubio 2.8:1
Lawson 2.9:1

VERDICT = Lawson

Secondary Assit Per Game (2013-2014)
Rubio 2.0
Lawson 1.4

VERDICT = Rubio

FT Assists per game ('13-'14)
Rubio 1.4
Lawson 1.1

VERDICT = Rubio

Assist opportunity to conversion ratio (yep I made a new stat ....kind of) 2013-2014
Rubio 2.0:1
Lawson 2.0:1

VERDICT = Tie

Winner Rubio 3 to 1
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Rubio on average accounts for at least 33 points per game for his team
Lawson on average accounts for at least 33 points per game for his team

TIE

Rubio is the better defender. Lets not argue that

VERDICT = RUBIO