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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#21 » by Merc_Porto » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:27 pm

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Klomp wrote:
Calinks wrote:what do you mean?

You said a lot of the young guys need to go except for those five. That's basically all the young guys.


Payne and Bennett


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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#22 » by Calinks » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:37 pm

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Calinks wrote:what do you mean?

You said a lot of the young guys need to go except for those five. That's basically all the young guys.


Payne and Bennett

Yea and Hamilton, Hummel, Brown. Maybe one or two will stick around but I think we have plenty of young guys to worry about that have more potential and unless you want another sub 20 win season again next year we have to really keep the young players to a bare minum. I think the talent of the guys I listed is worth suffering some losses. Even still, we get the right vets we may be able to make some noise. We also need a better system though which can also change which young guys we should keep and which we should move. Flip's system wont cut it unless it makes some changes.
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#23 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:40 pm

Calinks wrote:Yea and Hamilton, Hummel, Brown.

You need guys to fill out your roster, and those three are perfect candidates. None of them were high draft picks, so it's not like we have to get them minutes. Those are the perfect types of players for 12-15 on the roster.
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#24 » by Calinks » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:42 pm

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Calinks wrote:Yea and Hamilton, Hummel, Brown.

You need guys to fill out your roster, and those three are perfect candidates. None of them were high draft picks, so it's not like we have to get them minutes. Those are the perfect types of players for 12-15 on the roster.

I'd consider them but the priority is filling in gaps. Those guys along with Neal and Bud could find roles on this team.

Looking back I actually do think Flip was on the right track with the recent aquisiotns. I think Brewer, Mo, and Thad were all potentially really good vet guys to bring in but the fit wasn't right. I really liked what Mo brought to the table as a back up PG. Brewer, he needs to be in a certain style of game to really shine and he was asked to do too much here. Thad didn't fit either plus he had the tragedy in his life. I think we need similar approach next season. Hopefully we will have a coach and system in place so we can better find the right pieces to plug in. And of course, we will need much much better health.
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#25 » by AD2K » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:04 am

NBACommissioner wrote:I hope Flip is stupid enough to buy Bennett out and the Raptors can pick him up for a million. Flip probably will because he doesn't care about talent he only wants guys who will suck him off for minutes in the locker room like Payne.


Since the date you joined this is all you post about. Maybe someone will try and find some videos of Bennett doing chameleon training that you can suck yourself off to. Until then maybe start a facebook fan club for AB. A fanbase shouldn't be tormented by a troll because said troll likes to come up with twisted conspiracies. Everyone gets it, you think AB is the little bust injury riddled role player that could, choo choo all the way to the ignore list.
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#26 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:31 am

100% stay

Wiggins
Rubio

Will listen to offers

Lavine (will get you the best return)
Bazz (if I had to choose among the 3, Bazz would be my keeper)
Dieng (no point in trading while his value is low)

Want to move

Martin ( still valuable, but need to make room for the young wings, moreso if they take a swing in the draft)
Bennett ( injuries play mind games with him, he never seems to recover mentally. Dont think he's had enough consistent playing time to really know who he is)
Payne ( a waste of a roster spot. He is athletic, but as low a bbiq you will see in an nba player).
Want to move, but cant

Pek (good luck, possible use of stretch provision if its still available, especially if a big is taken in the draft)
Budinger (good luck)

Fodder, but should keep

Brown (cheap contract, a good teammate and has shown he can run a team for stretches and most importantly, keeps lavine from pg duties.)
Hummel (smart, glue type guy that all teams should have. He can play spot minutes at multiple positions and wont complain about playing time.)
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#27 » by breatnach » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:45 am

Who would be willing to resign Budinger to a 3 year / 9m (3m per) contract, if he opts out? He played decently the last few games and is probably just looking for any kind of guaranteed money, due to his constant injuries. He could also sit out his 5m player option and find himself out of the league after next year.
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#28 » by Saltine » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:54 am

I'm going to assume Flips moves Bennett+36th pick to Toronto for Greivis Vasquez, or a new Zamboni and Bacon. I doubt Flip moves Martin, I expect KG will stick around. Bjelica and Towns, with Gorgui as trade bait? Though he could draft Russell, and make Martin trade bait. I can't see how Hummel or Hamilton stick around unless Flip sells both second round picks, or moves Bud.

Out -> Hummel, Hamilton, and Bennett

Rubio / Greivis Vasquez / Brown
Martin / LaVine / 31st pick
Wiggins / Muhammad / Budinger
Bjelica / Gorgui / Payne
Towns / Pekovic / Garnett
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#29 » by minimus » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:43 am

breatnach wrote:Who would be willing to resign Budinger to a 3 year / 9m (3m per) contract, if he opts out? He played decently the last few games and is probably just looking for any kind of guaranteed money, due to his constant injuries. He could also sit out his 5m player option and find himself out of the league after next year.


No, please no Bud. With Shabazz, LaVine, Wiggins development I assume like we have only one spot for min salary guy. From wings I'd expect more defense, versality. It is something that Bud can not bring. Also he has played at PF, and this fact allowed him to score more efficiently. But he was complete bust at SG and SF.
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#30 » by AQuintus » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:45 am

Just wrote this up on the trade board:

AQuintus wrote:
As of right now, the Wolves' roster looks like this:

C - Dieng/ Pekovic
PF- Payne/ Bennett
SF- Wiggins/ Shabazz/ Budinger
SG- Martin/ LaVine
PG- Rubio/

Free Agents are:

Kevin Garnett (likely to be brought back)
Gary Neal (I think they might try to bring him back, but I could see him leaving for a playoff team)
Robbie Hummel (solid depth, probably brought back)
Justin Hamilton (could be 3rd string I suppose)
Lorenzo Brown (same as Hamilton)

Nemanja Bjelica (Eurostash guy that will likely be brought over this summer)

Based on that, our three biggest needs (by far) are at starting C, starting PF, and backup PG. Hopefully, the need at C will be met with the draft pick, and between Garnett, Bjelica, Payne, and Bennett at least one will be a decent starter and another will be a solid backup.

So, post draft, the roster would look like:

C - Town/ Dieng/ Pekovic
PF- Garnett/ Bjelica/ Payne/ Bennett
SF- Wiggins/ Shabazz/ Hummel
SG- Martin/ LaVine/ Budinger
PG- Rubio/ ???/ Brown

The two big issues remaining are at backup PG (could be addressed in FA, through trade, or in the late part of the draft (MIN has 2 2nds)) and PF (there's simply no reason to keep both Payne and Bennett).

With Pek's health issues, I would be really surprised to see Dieng moved. Even if Pek is healthy and playing, I wouldn't expect to see him playing more than 15-20 mpg and not in back-to-backs. I think the preference would be to dump Pekovic at this point, but I really doubt that there would be any takers.

At SG, I expect Martin will continue to start until LaVine earns the starting role. I don't expect Martin to be moved this summer (unless a really great trade presents itself, e.g. Martin for Taj Gibson), but I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't on the trading block next trade deadline.

As for Budinger, he's been fairly bad and injury prone the last couple of years, but he's going to be a relatively large expiring next year, so using him (or combining him with Bennett) for an upgrade elsewhere (backup PG?) is a definite possibility. That would also open up a spot in the roster for cheap 3-point specialist (like Gary Neal).

Edit:

I'll also say that the team's needs are (in order):

1) A medical staff that knows what it's doing
2) A coach that understands the value of the 3-point shot, and adjusts offensively and defensively accordingly
3) A Big that protects the rim
4) A backup PG who could potentially be a competent starter if Rubio gets hurt again
5) 3-point shooting (could come from internal improvement)
6) A Big that can be trusted to score at the rim (preferably 3 and 6 would be the same person)
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#31 » by minimus » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:17 am

Saltine wrote:I'm going to assume Flips moves Bennett+36th pick to Toronto for Greivis Vasquez, or a new Zamboni and Bacon. I doubt Flip moves Martin, I expect KG will stick around. Bjelica and Towns, with Gorgui as trade bait? Though he could draft Russell, and make Martin trade bait. I can't see how Hummel or Hamilton stick around unless Flip sells both second round picks, or moves Bud.


The simple fact that Martin played a lot gives me idea that Flip has tried to increase Kevin value across NBA. I'm against moving Bennett and Bud, because nobody takes them as expirings without additional assets. Bud is definitely opts in. We should keep Brown as 3rd string PG, he showed promise as shooter, I'd ask our coach Mike to work with him, as Lorenzo lacks accuracy.

Martin - gone
Medical staff - gone
Assistans coaches - gone (except shooting coach)

Hamilton - should be decided after draft, SL, training camp, Pek recovery. But I'd keep him as 3rd C.
Neal - should be decided after draft, SL, training camp, but I'd keep him as 3rd SG.

We all want to trade AB, Bud and get something, but I highly doubt that we can do it.

We can balance our roster based on our situation.

So let's assume that we get #4 pick. Winslow is my favorite candidate. 2 way player with plenty of potential. He should pass agility test to confirm his elite quickness. As I'm concerned about his ability to defend on perimeter.

No place for Hummel

The biggest weakness of this roster is backup PG. With Bjielca, AB, Winslow, Shabazz, Lavine we MUST run all game. We need reliable option here. Tyus Jones is a bit out of reach, because of recent hype. Delon Wright makes sense to me. 6' 5" PG who can defend, score and distribute is manna from heaven. It should be fastbreak, aggressive in defense team, which should apply full court pressing without any hesitation. Something really opposite from what we've seen a year ago with Pek, Love, Martin. Everybody can benefit from this turnaround: Rubio, Bennett, Winslow, LaVine, Shabazz, Bjielca.

C- KG/Dieng/Hamilton (Pek)
PF- Bjielca/AB/Payne
SF - Winslow/Shabazz/Bud
SG - Wiggins/Lavine/Shabazz
PG - Rubio/Wright/Brown/
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#32 » by Basti » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:28 am

breatnach wrote:Who would be willing to resign Budinger to a 3 year / 9m (3m per) contract, if he opts out? He played decently the last few games and is probably just looking for any kind of guaranteed money, due to his constant injuries. He could also sit out his 5m player option and find himself out of the league after next year.


Even with his decent play of late I wouldn't give him any longterm contract. Two major knee injuries are the main reason for that.
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#33 » by Klomp » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:21 pm

Saltine wrote:I'm going to assume Flips moves Bennett+36th pick to Toronto for Greivis Vasquez, or a new Zamboni and Bacon.

Vasquez for Bennett actually seems like a pretty even trade, and it would fill a need for us at backup PG.
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Re: Who stays and Who goes? Needs ? 

Post#34 » by NBACommissioner » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:55 pm

Klomp wrote:
Saltine wrote:I'm going to assume Flips moves Bennett+36th pick to Toronto for Greivis Vasquez, or a new Zamboni and Bacon.

Vasquez for Bennett actually seems like a pretty even trade, and it would fill a need for us at backup PG.



Vazquez got overpaid and is one of the Raptors biggest weaknesses so I'm sure they'd be open to that. Especially, when they can go steal a guy like Cory Joseph from the Spurs in the offseason to replace him.

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