The 5-step plan

[Note30]

1. Draft Towns
2. Try to trade Martin and the 2nd picks and any other assets (three way with Boston) for a combo of WCS, Tony Allen, and Dave Joerger (coaching trade can wait till next season). Trade to clear Bennett, Budinger, or Pekovic.
3. KG and Corey Joseph this year.
4. Dave Joerger
5. Thanks for Wiggins, good luck in Cleveland, but it just wouldn't work.

Run some lineup of

Rubio/Joseph/Brown
LaVine / Allen
Wiggins/ Shabazz
Towns / Bjelica / Payne
KG/WCS/Dieng

[packforfreedom]

I'd only trade Martin if LaVine gets the start.

Gibson just had surgery I don't have a good feeling about him. I think I'd rather roll with a KG/Payne combo for next season and make finding a starting PF the main task for next offseason.

On the coaching side, I'm all in for JVG. Love this guy.

[jmoy]

Why all the Kevin Martin hate? He is a 40% 3pt shooter, which is more important every year in the NBA, is a 20pt a night scorer and only makes 7mil a year. His game will translate well as he ages(shooting, little athleticism and small amount of physical contact) and he should be able to perform well for another 5+ years eventually becoming a spot shooter off the bench getting veteran minimums. Unless the Wolves get a great deal for him, I would be happy to keep him for the next two years as Levine takes over at SG and the Wolves become a playoff level team and then resign him for a MLE or something similar as he ages and just wants to play somewhere he likes and can win. Yes, he is not a great defender but as a spot up shooter and scorer, he would be very valuble to a team like the Wolves who don't have any shooters to being with.

[mondry]

Why all the Kevin Martin hate? He is a 40% 3pt shooter, which is more important every year in the NBA, is a 20pt a night scorer and only makes 7mil a year. His game will translate well as he ages(shooting, little athleticism and small amount of physical contact) and he should be able to perform well for another 5+ years eventually becoming a spot shooter off the bench getting veteran minimums. Unless the Wolves get a great deal for him, I would be happy to keep him for the next two years as Levine takes over at SG and the Wolves become a playoff level team and then resign him for a MLE or something similar as he ages and just wants to play somewhere he likes and can win. Yes, he is not a great defender but as a spot up shooter and scorer, he would be very valuble to a team like the Wolves who don't have any shooters to being with.

It's all pretty much based around the idea of him being a starter and taking minutes away from Lavine or anyone else that is a larger part of the future. As a 6th man coming off the bench Martin makes a lot of sense for the stats you listed. He's a chucker though and a black hole in the starting lineup. Yes the numbers look good but he often down right kills the offensive flow.

However, Flip himself says he envisions Martin coming off the bench, especially as he gets older, so it's up to Martin to accept that role and help our team. It may not be this year though, I think he'll likely be forced to the 6th man next year, although there's also a good chance he gets traded if a decent deal comes around.

[theGreatRC]

I'd rather keep Martin here just in case Lavine isn't ready to take that next step. He is only 20 after all. Martin is here if we're trying to make a playoff push (Which I think we are, look at the team we have + KG coming back would be a telling sign that we want to make a run for the PO)

[Streakers33]

There no hate on Martin by any actual basketball guys. It's the fickle fans who push for moves all the time. We got Martin years ago with the intentions of being our sixth man and never could get him on the second unit cuz staying healthy isn't something we do here. 18ppg career average screams sixth man of the year for a championship team for 7 million a year. So that answers the hate convo
Otherwise I do see him being moved. As this is so going to be the youth push movement. They were rookies last year and this is step up year for the youth. Taj isn't coming here cuz we paid a lot for Payne. And we have kg coming back and Bennett. And a freakn euro mvp at that position. I'm not sure what the Bulls are gonna do to keep butler. But I could see them moving someone. But I see it more as Noah. I could be wrong. But we will all see. I see Martin going to someone like the cavs for Haywood's contract. Idk why. But I see it. I also stuck on an idea that we gonna help the nets move their expensive pieces.
I know I am wrong their but I have some weird feelings. Lol

Hmm klove back here? I don't see it at all. But I wouldn't hate his talent on this squad. Even more so if cavs want Payne/Bennett/bj back for him. At least klove would look better with towns cleaning up his defense.


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[Krapinsky]

Why all the Kevin Martin hate? He is a 40% 3pt shooter, which is more important every year in the NBA, is a 20pt a night scorer and only makes 7mil a year. His game will translate well as he ages(shooting, little athleticism and small amount of physical contact) and he should be able to perform well for another 5+ years eventually becoming a spot shooter off the bench getting veteran minimums. Unless the Wolves get a great deal for him, I would be happy to keep him for the next two years as Levine takes over at SG and the Wolves become a playoff level team and then resign him for a MLE or something similar as he ages and just wants to play somewhere he likes and can win. Yes, he is not a great defender but as a spot up shooter and scorer, he would be very valuble to a team like the Wolves who don't have any shooters to being with.

He can put up stats on a bad tem, but I think in a playoff series he would be borderline unplayable because teams could isolate him on defense.

Personally, I prefer Wiggins at the 2 and Bazz at the 3, with Lavine off the bench. I'd trade Martin and play Budinger as the back up SF.

[Klomp]

He can put up stats on a bad tem, but I think in a playoff series he would be borderline unplayable because teams could isolate him on defense.

OK, so in these playoffs, here are the guys he would be isolated on:

1. GSW - Harrison Barnes
2. HOU - Trevor Ariza
3. LAC - Matt Barnes
4. POR - Nicolas Batum
5. MEM - Tony Allen
6. SAS - Danny Green
7. DAL - Monta Ellis
8. NOP - Quincy Pondexter

In most of those cases, if teams want to run iso ball through the worst of their two wing players, be my guest.

[Saltine]

Martin is very good at getting fouled and making FT's, he has a nice outside shot and excellent touch when cutting. He'd be great off the bench for a playoff team, Cleveland and Chicago certainly could have used him.

[Streakers33]

Agreed with salt. Period. Flip isn't moving him till they pay us for him. End of story.


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[Saltine]

Yep, you head over to the Chicago forum and they will gladly gift wrap Taj for Martin... they are desperate for someone who can make shots. He's the best SG we've ever had, and yes, his defense sucks, if he did play great Defense he'd be making Dwyane Wade money, not $7m. He's a shooting guard.

[NewWolvesOrder]

The main reason I'd like to get rid of Martin is his inability stay healthy, he's just unreliable. Secondary reason is him being a chucker and stealing the shots of our young core. I'd prefer a versatile PG/SG like Vasquez on this team.

[jmoy]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the replies about Martin. I have just always loved his shooting and scoring for only 7mil. He just needs to have batter players around him so he doesn't have to do all the scoring and can sit and shoot, like he did for OKC for that one year. his percentages were great that year and I think he could do that for a few more years considering how he plays.

[Krapinsky]

He can put up stats on a bad tem, but I think in a playoff series he would be borderline unplayable because teams could isolate him on defense.

OK, so in these playoffs, here are the guys he would be isolated on:

1. GSW - Harrison Barnes
2. HOU - Trevor Ariza
3. LAC - Matt Barnes
4. POR - Nicolas Batum
5. MEM - Tony Allen
6. SAS - Danny Green
7. DAL - Monta Ellis
8. NOP - Quincy Pondexter

In most of those cases, if teams want to run iso ball through the worst of their two wing players, be my guest.

I guess you've never heard of the pick and roll.