Killboard wrote:rugbyrugger23 wrote:Killboard wrote:
So, you are trading a PG who cant shot for other that cant shot neither? Maybe he can make a layup here and there, but he struggles from the FT line, has a worst FG%, and have about the same 3pt% taking half of the shots. He can be a little better man defender, but his intensity isnt always the same, let alone in a losing developing team.
Additionaly you get a pick outside of the top10 if sacto didnt decide to tank at some point this season (if they pick top 10 you get a second rounder) and a guy who still young but isnt playing in a 22-27 team.
The PG who can't shoot thing doesn't bother me...being Ricky or Rondo. Rondo would bring some vet piss and vinegar to the team. I can see him being Thibs locker room Jedi, trying to mind f--- this very young team to take on traits of his teachings. All while playing less minutes vs. Rubio...and as I said, more sink or swim time for Dunn.
S Johnson is getting more PT in Detroit. You are thinking of his early season struggles. Many Pistons fans say he is part of core. He has more value than your belittling take on him.
The pick as I said can be Bulls 1st, looking 15-20. But I would rather wait till TD and see how Kings look in their 33 game Cali stand, as I said, 9 prior to TD (almost all home games).
Well, Dunn will sunk obviously. You would know if you are actually watching games. There is a reason why Thibs isnt playing more than 10-15 minutes lately. Dunn will take 2- 3 years to know how to run a NBA offense, if he isnt ending being another version of Tony Allen.
Johnson has value, but you cant compare him to a nba veteran who is between the better half of the starters at his position, locked with a old contract in a new CBA. Plus, a lineup of Rondo/Dunn and Johnson will have a really **** spacing for the next years, and maybe forever. If you really want Johnson I would trade Dunn for him. But like I said earlier, you cant develop 5-6 guys at the same time, and we will have our pick next draft too to pick someone like OG. Even if he is injured he is a bigger version of Stanley Johnson who can actually not be undersized to play PF and has better shot mechanics.
Well you and I will disagree then. I wouldn't trade Dunn for S Johnson. The idea is Dunn would still have training wheels, just Rondo vs. Rubio, but Wolves get a better sample size. With this better sample size, Thibs would make the big boy decision to move up in draft, proclaim his #5 overall was not the right pick, and select 1 of the three stud PGs in this PG rich draft (if that is result of sample size). But in ideal world, Dunn shows promise given more minutes, as tough as they will be (and as yo-yo as it will be watching a rookie), and Thibs can draft PFOF ideal next to Towns.
I also will disagree about Johnson and the spacing. He would be coming in with subs, while Wiggins and LaVine share SG minutes. Most minutes with Dunn at PG, probably Bjelica at PF, and Towns/Dieng at C. I am fine with that spacing. Yes, almost all those players have a shot in progress, but that is where Wolves find themselves now too.
Adding: using this trade I also get a awesome test drive of a defensive specialist next to LaVine and Wiggins (one that has chance of being core vs. handing minutes to Rush--who I don't see as same caliber as Johnson). If the outcome of this experiment, is either one looks worldly at SG with Johnson next to him (being done via rotations, LaVine and Wiggins still both start), like a hammer over the head, Thibs couldn't deny 1 of those 2 should be traded. And that outcome, which has so many variables and doesn't necessary have to happen, is a thread in itself.
