ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:Would you guys be willing to swap Wiggins for Kyrie? And then maybe flip Teague for a wing
A lot of us would. I wouldn't.
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ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:Would you guys be willing to swap Wiggins for Kyrie? And then maybe flip Teague for a wing
KGdaBom wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:Many people are SO confident in the fact it would require Wiggins to make a deal, I would like to breakdown what Minnesota can actually do for CLE.
I will base this on a vague deal of:
CLE Out: Kyrie, Thompson
MN Out: Dieng, Cole, BJ, Tyus, OKC 1st, Future 1st
1) CLE walks away with two firsts for flexibility, while they are late there is nothing excessively bad about that in the long-term.
2) Dieng gives them a player that is an upgrade over Thompson, it keeps them competitive in the East. Dieng is also a player who being a starting, floor spacing center could bring in a pick and/or minor cap saving and/or a pick post LBJ.
3) Cole can be used to take on a contract to help a team in the LUX and depending on that contract, team and savings , may net you a first in return.
4) BJ is a player that can be used in the immediate, but also used with Cole and #3.
5) Tyus is cheap and young, not blue chip, but something to kick the tires on.
With this deal, MN gives Cap savings in the event LBJ leaves, assets and picks and flexibility.
Love can be traded for value, Shump is movable to a decent degree and now you got a team with several picks, a ton of space, some young cheap talent, and an owner who has shown he is willing to spend.
PEPOLE, show a deal that gives this much in return.
I'm a big Dieng fan and not much of an Irving fand and even I think that is a horrible offer for Cleveland.
MN Tinderwolf wrote:Bulls in: okc 1st, Gorgui Dieng
Bulls out: Dwayne wade
Sun's in:MN 2020 1st, tyus jones, Justin patton, 2nd rounders from everyone
Sun's out: Eric Bledsoe
Wolves in: kyrie Irving, Shumpert
Wolves out: okc 1st, tyus jones, Justin patton, 2020 1st, gorgui dieng, nemanja bjelica
Cavs in: Eric Bledsoe, Dwayne Wade, Bjelica
Cavs out: kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert
cupcakesnake wrote:I know a lot of people haven't seen him play, but no one is forcing you to make up an opinion and post it.
SO_MONEY wrote:KGdaBom wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:Many people are SO confident in the fact it would require Wiggins to make a deal, I would like to breakdown what Minnesota can actually do for CLE.
I will base this on a vague deal of:
CLE Out: Kyrie, Thompson
MN Out: Dieng, Cole, BJ, Tyus, OKC 1st, Future 1st
1) CLE walks away with two firsts for flexibility, while they are late there is nothing excessively bad about that in the long-term.
2) Dieng gives them a player that is an upgrade over Thompson, it keeps them competitive in the East. Dieng is also a player who being a starting, floor spacing center could bring in a pick and/or minor cap saving and/or a pick post LBJ.
3) Cole can be used to take on a contract to help a team in the LUX and depending on that contract, team and savings , may net you a first in return.
4) BJ is a player that can be used in the immediate, but also used with Cole and #3.
5) Tyus is cheap and young, not blue chip, but something to kick the tires on.
With this deal, MN gives Cap savings in the event LBJ leaves, assets and picks and flexibility.
Love can be traded for value, Shump is movable to a decent degree and now you got a team with several picks, a ton of space, some young cheap talent, and an owner who has shown he is willing to spend.
PEPOLE, show a deal that gives this much in return.
I'm a big Dieng fan and not much of an Irving fand and even I think that is a horrible offer for Cleveland.
If you think it is so bad come up with an offer that gives more. I broke things down and that is a ton of value.
KGdaBom wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:
So what kind of assets do you think the Wolves could give up that don't include Wiggins. I don't think any team will be give any asset nearly as good as Wiggins for Kyrie....and I don't think we should either. We have the OKC pick...2020 unprotected pick....Patton....2022 unprotected pick....Dieng....
Do you think those type of assets could get a trade for Kyrie done?
Many people are SO confident in the fact it would require Wiggins to make a deal, I would like to breakdown what Minnesota can actually do for CLE.
I will base this on a vague deal of:
CLE Out: Kyrie, Thompson
MN Out: Dieng, Cole, BJ, Tyus, OKC 1st, Future 1st
1) CLE walks away with two firsts for flexibility, while they are late there is nothing excessively bad about that in the long-term.
2) Dieng gives them a player that is an upgrade over Thompson, it keeps them competitive in the East. Dieng is also a player who being a starting, floor spacing center could bring in a pick and/or minor cap saving and/or a pick post LBJ.
3) Cole can be used to take on a contract to help a team in the LUX and depending on that contract, team and savings , may net you a first in return.
4) BJ is a player that can be used in the immediate, but also used with Cole and #3.
5) Tyus is cheap and young, not blue chip, but something to kick the tires on.
With this deal, MN gives Cap savings in the event LBJ leaves, assets and picks and flexibility.
Love can be traded for value, Shump is movable to a decent degree and now you got a team with several picks, a ton of space, some young cheap talent, and an owner who has shown he is willing to spend.
PEPOLE, show a deal that gives this much in return.
I'm a big Dieng fan and not much of an Irving fand and even I think that is a horrible offer for Cleveland.
Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:Many people are SO confident in the fact it would require Wiggins to make a deal, I would like to breakdown what Minnesota can actually do for CLE.
I will base this on a vague deal of:
CLE Out: Kyrie, Thompson
MN Out: Dieng, Cole, BJ, Tyus, OKC 1st, Future 1st
1) CLE walks away with two firsts for flexibility, while they are late there is nothing excessively bad about that in the long-term.
2) Dieng gives them a player that is an upgrade over Thompson, it keeps them competitive in the East. Dieng is also a player who being a starting, floor spacing center could bring in a pick and/or minor cap saving and/or a pick post LBJ.
3) Cole can be used to take on a contract to help a team in the LUX and depending on that contract, team and savings , may net you a first in return.
4) BJ is a player that can be used in the immediate, but also used with Cole and #3.
5) Tyus is cheap and young, not blue chip, but something to kick the tires on.
With this deal, MN gives Cap savings in the event LBJ leaves, assets and picks and flexibility.
Love can be traded for value, Shump is movable to a decent degree and now you got a team with several picks, a ton of space, some young cheap talent, and an owner who has shown he is willing to spend.
PEPOLE, show a deal that gives this much in return.
I'm a big Dieng fan and not much of an Irving fan and even I think that is a horrible offer for Cleveland.
Maybe it is....but the point is with a saturated PG market...and the value given back for stars....I don't think the Cavs will get a deal better than that. They won't trade him to the Celtics...and the Suns have pulled Jackson off th table. Bledsoe isn't a good piece for the Cavs if LBJ leaves after this season. The young pieces...cap relief....and draft picks....even if they are low are better than what you have the Suns offering IMO.
KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:I'm a big Dieng fan and not much of an Irving fand and even I think that is a horrible offer for Cleveland.
Maybe it is....but the point is with a saturated PG market...and the value given back for stars....I don't think the Cavs will get a deal better than that. They won't trade him to the Celtics...and the Suns have pulled Jackson off th table. Bledsoe isn't a good piece for the Cavs if LBJ leaves after this season. The young pieces...cap relief....and draft picks....even if they are low are better than what you have the Suns offering IMO.
Then they don't trade him if they can't get a better offer.
KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:I'm a big Dieng fan and not much of an Irving fand and even I think that is a horrible offer for Cleveland.
Maybe it is....but the point is with a saturated PG market...and the value given back for stars....I don't think the Cavs will get a deal better than that. They won't trade him to the Celtics...and the Suns have pulled Jackson off th table. Bledsoe isn't a good piece for the Cavs if LBJ leaves after this season. The young pieces...cap relief....and draft picks....even if they are low are better than what you have the Suns offering IMO.
Then they don't trade him if they can't get a better offer.
KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:I'm a big Dieng fan and not much of an Irving fan and even I think that is a horrible offer for Cleveland.
Maybe it is....but the point is with a saturated PG market...and the value given back for stars....I don't think the Cavs will get a deal better than that. They won't trade him to the Celtics...and the Suns have pulled Jackson off th table. Bledsoe isn't a good piece for the Cavs if LBJ leaves after this season. The young pieces...cap relief....and draft picks....even if they are low are better than what you have the Suns offering IMO.
Bledsoe is a better PG than Irving by himself. He's just a bit older. Cleveland wouldn't care much about that. They need to go for it the next couple years while they still have James. Cleveland gets better right now and they have Chriss and the 1st to use for the future. But, if they can't find a better offer than this proposed Wolves offer they simply don't trade him.
Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:
Maybe it is....but the point is with a saturated PG market...and the value given back for stars....I don't think the Cavs will get a deal better than that. They won't trade him to the Celtics...and the Suns have pulled Jackson off th table. Bledsoe isn't a good piece for the Cavs if LBJ leaves after this season. The young pieces...cap relief....and draft picks....even if they are low are better than what you have the Suns offering IMO.
Then they don't trade him if they can't get a better offer.
That's what I was thinking....but after listening to some of the reports....I don't see Kyrie making it to the Cavs camp.
Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:
Maybe it is....but the point is with a saturated PG market...and the value given back for stars....I don't think the Cavs will get a deal better than that. They won't trade him to the Celtics...and the Suns have pulled Jackson off th table. Bledsoe isn't a good piece for the Cavs if LBJ leaves after this season. The young pieces...cap relief....and draft picks....even if they are low are better than what you have the Suns offering IMO.
Bledsoe is a better PG than Irving by himself. He's just a bit older. Cleveland wouldn't care much about that. They need to go for it the next couple years while they still have James. Cleveland gets better right now and they have Chriss and the 1st to use for the future. But, if they can't find a better offer than this proposed Wolves offer they simply don't trade him.
And what makes you think the Suns are offering a pick, Bledsoe and Chriss?
KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Then they don't trade him if they can't get a better offer.
That's what I was thinking....but after listening to some of the reports....I don't see Kyrie making it to the Cavs camp.
You really think IF the Cavs are going to trade Kyrie that all the other teams are going to collude to low ball the Cavs for him? Teams are going to make competing offers for his services and the offer accepted will be at least reasonable. Totally different situation than George with his one year remaining.
KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Bledsoe is a better PG than Irving by himself. He's just a bit older. Cleveland wouldn't care much about that. They need to go for it the next couple years while they still have James. Cleveland gets better right now and they have Chriss and the 1st to use for the future. But, if they can't find a better offer than this proposed Wolves offer they simply don't trade him.
And what makes you think the Suns are offering a pick, Bledsoe and Chriss?
It's what I've heard they would do. Rumor, but that is what makes me think it.
SO_MONEY wrote:He is gone, they are not going to hold him to deal later. Not going to happen.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:
That's what I was thinking....but after listening to some of the reports....I don't see Kyrie making it to the Cavs camp.
You really think IF the Cavs are going to trade Kyrie that all the other teams are going to collude to low ball the Cavs for him? Teams are going to make competing offers for his services and the offer accepted will be at least reasonable. Totally different situation than George with his one year remaining.
Well yeah George is better and the PG market is saturated while the wing market is bare.
Klomp wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:He is gone, they are not going to hold him to deal later. Not going to happen.
They will if they don't like any other offers better than one involving Teague.
cupcakesnake wrote:I know a lot of people haven't seen him play, but no one is forcing you to make up an opinion and post it.
Ethomasp31 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Ethomasp31 wrote:
And what makes you think the Suns are offering a pick, Bledsoe and Chriss?
It's what I've heard they would do. Rumor, but that is what makes me think it.
I've also heard the Wolves are willing to offer Wiggins....that's what the rumors are at least according to the T&T board at least. Those rumors don't mean anything....I also heard the Wolves were going to give Wiggins plus for Butler.....and that didn't happen either.
shrink wrote:Klomp wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:He is gone, they are not going to hold him to deal later. Not going to happen.
They will if they don't like any other offers better than one involving Teague.
I don't think they can hold him, and risk that it increases the chances that LeBron leaves too.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
shrink wrote:Klomp wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:He is gone, they are not going to hold him to deal later. Not going to happen.
They will if they don't like any other offers better than one involving Teague.
I don't think they can hold him, and risk that it increases the chances that LeBron leaves too.
Klomp wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:He is gone, they are not going to hold him to deal later. Not going to happen.
They will if they don't like any other offers better than one involving Teague.
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