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Jefferson is deep in the negative. 1 below Ricky Davis.
Brian Cardinal is 12th best in the NBA for players under 2000 minutes
Brian Cardinal is 12th best in the NBA for players under 2000 minutes
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I hate plus and minus cause really whack players sometimes have huge plus numbers.
When luck shuts the door skill comes in through the window.
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Its all about sample size imo. The 2k+ minute list should actually be fairly representative\accurate imo.
What I find really amusing....
Only 2 SG's above Shaddy...Manu & Kobe...
Who's next SG below Shad? VC...
I agree that these sorts of numbers can skew things, but I do find it Odd that Shad is listed this high.
What I find really amusing....
Only 2 SG's above Shaddy...Manu & Kobe...
Who's next SG below Shad? VC...
I agree that these sorts of numbers can skew things, but I do find it Odd that Shad is listed this high.
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I don't put much stock in it.
Big Al, Okafor, Al Thornton, Kevin Durant, and Rajon Rondo are all deep in the negative. Who here would not roll with that starting five?
Big Al, Okafor, Al Thornton, Kevin Durant, and Rajon Rondo are all deep in the negative. Who here would not roll with that starting five?
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to win games I would not run that team...
Big al is of course going to be impacted the most negatively because he plays the most minutes on an inferior team. He sees the most players switching in and out, and he is by no means a great defender.
Okafor isn't an offensive beast and his defensive numbers are decent.
Durant a rookie and played horrific defense, also a volume shooter, shouldn't surprise anyone he was low.
Thornton is not a great defender, not really a surprise.
Rondo? On a fantastic team, played lots of minutes and often played when 2nd unit players came in, so he would obviously be affected by large swings on offense.
Most of the bottom players are one way players to be honest. It's reflected in their off\deff +/- too
Big al is of course going to be impacted the most negatively because he plays the most minutes on an inferior team. He sees the most players switching in and out, and he is by no means a great defender.
Okafor isn't an offensive beast and his defensive numbers are decent.
Durant a rookie and played horrific defense, also a volume shooter, shouldn't surprise anyone he was low.
Thornton is not a great defender, not really a surprise.
Rondo? On a fantastic team, played lots of minutes and often played when 2nd unit players came in, so he would obviously be affected by large swings on offense.
Most of the bottom players are one way players to be honest. It's reflected in their off\deff +/- too
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Basketballvalue have this year's Adjusted +/- numbers.
Best on team Foye +45.8.
Worst on team Miller -45 .
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2008-2009&team=MIN
Best on team Foye +45.8.
Worst on team Miller -45 .
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2008-2009&team=MIN
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I was initially enamored with the stat, but I don't put a lot of stock in it now. Its a good idea that doesn't work in real life, because interaction effects overwhelm results.
Al Jefferson doesn't have a big negative because he's a bad player. Al has a big negative because when he is on the floor, four other guys are out there with him who, as a group of five, are often less talented than the other team's five players. Does that mean Al is bad, because his number is low? Not at all. It means some of the other starters for the Wolves aren't that strong, and isolating the blame on Al is the same as saying the reason the Wolves lost so many games in the past was because of Garnett.
Conversely, McCants number has been high because MIN's bench, I feel, is pretty good. Many teams have 5 bona fide, highly paid starters, and try to make do with also-rans for their bench. MIN isn't like that, and we have several borderline starters on our bench competing for starting spots (since many of our starters aren't all that great). In any event, we have 3-4 players in our second unit that are better than those we face, and they should get positive +/- values.
The adjusted +/- stat is an interesting piece of information, but basketball is too much of a team game to put much validity into it, particularly as a tool to compare players.
Al Jefferson doesn't have a big negative because he's a bad player. Al has a big negative because when he is on the floor, four other guys are out there with him who, as a group of five, are often less talented than the other team's five players. Does that mean Al is bad, because his number is low? Not at all. It means some of the other starters for the Wolves aren't that strong, and isolating the blame on Al is the same as saying the reason the Wolves lost so many games in the past was because of Garnett.
Conversely, McCants number has been high because MIN's bench, I feel, is pretty good. Many teams have 5 bona fide, highly paid starters, and try to make do with also-rans for their bench. MIN isn't like that, and we have several borderline starters on our bench competing for starting spots (since many of our starters aren't all that great). In any event, we have 3-4 players in our second unit that are better than those we face, and they should get positive +/- values.
The adjusted +/- stat is an interesting piece of information, but basketball is too much of a team game to put much validity into it, particularly as a tool to compare players.
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