Official: Deron Williams Re-Signs: $98 million/5 years

[vincecarter4pres]

I think it's just as silly to write off a Deron and Dirk combo as it is to write off the Nets as not being able to put together a team that could be better then that combo even without Dwight or a top 3 jump.



Dirk and Deron together would be a contender, but bottom of the contenders, not a top team and without HCA through at least the 1st two rounds with favorable matchups wouldn't have a shot.

With that said, the West is pretty stacked once again.

They'll also have A LOT of trouble finding a starting center after their cap space is used on Deron, Dirk and Marion and that too me is a major concern with any Dirk lead team, just as it is with a Brook Lopez anchored team.

In the West they're going to have to go through OKC, LAL, LAC, Memphis and even Denver, Utah, Portland, Minnesota and/or an up and coming Golden State.



For the Nets, even if we don't make a top 3 jump and can't trade for Dwight, we still have some great win now options.

We could resign Wallace, sign Garnett and Ray Allen if Boston blows it up like everyone thinks.

Eric Gordon, O.J. Mayo, Chase Budinger, Courtnely Lee and Landry Fields are all free agents.

Resign Gerald Green.

Still have Morrow.

Still have expiring contracts some picks and MarShon Brooks to make a solid move.

If we make a top 3 jump even better. If that leads to Dwight I think you know...


How about?

Deron/Delonte West
Ray Allen/Morrow
Wallace/Green
Garnett/Kenyon Martin
Lopez/Jordan Williams

That's a pretty serious lineup for the next two years with future cap flexibility.


Garnett and Allen maybe old and not the players of yore, but they're still very good and will allow Brook Lopez to excel without worrying about his Dirk like rebounding and Wallace's lack of scoring punch and will allow Deron into his comfort zone as one of the best playmaking and passing point guards in the game.


Remember what Brook looked like in that game versus Dallas when he came back?

Well that game was not a surprise to most Nets fans, even the cynics on this board such as myself that have issues with him as an overall player.

Not saying he's going to average 30 something a game on the season, just saying, the guy is an extremely gifted and versatile scorer and space filler. He's had plenty of flat out dominant games like that in the past and in the limited time with Deron last year he looked amazing.


Or what if we could trade for the overpaid but still very good Rudy Gay?

How about Granger?

S&T for Eric Gordon without giving up many core pieces?

Paul Millsap anyone?

How about Pau Gasol even?

How about the elephant in the room known as Josh Smith?



All this is with the fact the East is going to be a lot easier to come out of the next 2 seasons minimum with the likely decline and probable breakup of the Celtics and Rose not being there a lot of next season and probably not being 100% for 2 seasons minimum if ever the same player again.

The Knix are as mediocre as they come and will undoubtedly lose at least 2 key pieces this offseason from an already flawed team lacking pieces.

The Pacers are good, but West is old, Hibbert has become very overrated and they have a massive whole at the 1. Plus most of their aspirations lie on George's shoulders and the fact with Granger there he is playing out of position.

Atlanta is destined for a full on blow up.

The Magic?

Philly is a bunch of total nobodies.

The Bucks?

The East can be ran through until Miami and the Pacers(to an extent).



The bottom line is the Nets have a ton of options and flexibility.

[NetSymptom]

I think it's just as silly to write off a Deron and Dirk combo as it is to write off the Nets as not being able to put together a team that could be better then that combo even without Dwight or a top 3 jump.

I'm not writing off Dirk and Deron as a combo, but I do have questions as to if that particular pair maximizes each other's ability.

Let's look at Dirk's game. Great scorer, but not what you'd call a pick-and-pop player. He's good at establishing position, then making a few moves to get a good look and take the shot. What I wonder is, what does an elite PG do for someone with that kind of game?

I look at Dirk as a 7ft Carmelo Anthony that is willing to pass the ball. Dirk is going to get his shots, but he isn't going to be running all over the court, curling off screens, or diving to the basket for a score. With Deron on his team, all he's going to be doing is getting the pass in slightly better position than we would have with a guy like Kidd or Nash.

Now looking at Deron's game, I'd say he's the 2nd best playmaker behind Chris Paul. Penetrate the lane, look for a kick out, find cutters, and hit the post guy when he's got position. With just Dirk and fillers, how is Deron's game going to fit?

You look at the Nets roster this year before Green and Wallace, and you are hard pressed to find any wings or post men that fit the needs of a guy like Deron. You add Green and Wallace, and you get two guys who are cutting and screening to get into open spots for Deron to hit them with a pass. I wonder how much different Dallas' roster will look with no one like that, and Dirk waiting in his spots just looking for the ball.

Just my take on the pair. Individually, two dynamic talents. Together, I think the starpower will help them win some big games. But for the few years Dirk has left at an Elite level, I do have to question whether:

A) Dallas would be better off retooling an entire roster around Dirk. Get the Center position locked in again, find a PG who can get Dirk the ball (Nash would be great for them), and get some guys who can defend and run with the young guns like OKC.

B) Deron would be better off running a team with some slashers, pick-pop players, and guys who can get out and run. Deron got clamped down on when his options were limited early in the year last year, but I feel he can run a great offense with a threat on the block (Lopez), and guys on the wing who can get to the rim and get open off screens and curls.

[treiz]

Dirk DWill and D leaguers > Nets. Simple as that. Stars win in the NBA. Look at the garbage Dirk has had some years and they still won 50 games. This supposedly stacked Nets roster is a perennial lottery team.

Howard/DWill/scrubs > Dirk/DWill/scrubs. And that's me being generous

Of course stars win in the NBA, yes Dirk had some bad teams that he took to 50 wins but how far did they go in the playoffs those years? Nobody is saying this Nets team is stacked, all we're saying is that we have tradable assets, cap room and draft picks to further improve the team around Deron, and we are in a much better situation to improve our roster than you guys are. That's been our point this whole time, we have pieces to move and help improve you don't, simple as that.

The bottom line is the Nets have a ton of options and flexibility.

[treiz]

Regarding the top five contender status, Dallas actually was tied with LA for the fourth best record in the league last season.

Which was the point I was initially making with you guys probably not getting your draft picks back, because of your great record, no way a team with Dirk falls outside the top 5 in wins.

[oilfieldtrash]

Netsymptom lol.

Dirk not a pick and pop player. Seriously? You might remember a little guy JJ Barea that worked the pick and pop with Dirk to perfection.

Dirk and Deron running the pick and roll. Which guy you leaving?

[NetSymptom]

Netsymptom lol.

Dirk not a pick and pop player. Seriously? You might remember a little guy JJ Barea that worked the pick and pop with Dirk to perfection.

Dirk and Deron running the pick and roll. Which guy you leaving?

Why did that pick and pop work to perfection? Oh yeah, you had a guy like Tyson Chandler on the block. Weakside help couldn't leave him because he'd just get an alley oop or quick pass down low if the weakside help defender cheating on the pick and pop at the top of the key. You also had guys like Terry and Kidd out on the wings that could knock down 3s to keep the D honest. How's that going to work when you have DWill/Dirk and no one else out there to keep the D at home. Weakside defense is going to come a lot quicker and harder when they know they're just leaving a journeyman Center near the basket.

Same goes for pick&roll. You can just switch or go over the screen, because there is always going to be weakside help coming. You won't have the outside or 3point presence around to keep the defenders from cheating on the play.

Both players are good enough to make it work enough in the game, but just the two of them running it all day isn't going to get you very far in playoff basketball when teams are honed in on the two and making the supporting cast beat you.

NBA game is all about spacing, so don't look at it just as Barea/Dirk. You have to take into account all 5 players on offense making the play work.

[N Ireland Nets]

Dirk and Deron running the pick and roll. Which guy you leaving?

That's easy, with Deron resigning with Brooklyn I'd just stick with Dirk because he would be Dallas's only threat.... see what I did there??

[VCRJKidd15]

Apparently Deron's elementary and middle school teachers live in Dallas so theres another reason why he should go there....damn we're losing Deron by the second.

[jeff1624]

Why do Mavs fans even want Deron? They already have Rodrigue Beaubois!

[oilfieldtrash]

Just found this nugget.

New Jersey can offer 5 years max with 7.5% raises. (post state/city tax in parentheses) 2012-2013 17.586m (15.739m) 2013-2014 18.905m (16.920m) 2014-2015 20.323m (18.189m) 2015-2016 21.847m (19.553m) (23.486m) -----------------78.661m over 4 years/ 102m over 5 (91.290m) (70.401m) over 4 years (moderate property tax)

Deron would be in the highest tax bracket and would pay 6.85% in state and 3.648% city for a total of 10.5% tax over the federal. The irony is that the move to Brooklyn increases the tax rate from 8.95% in Newark to 10.5% in Brooklyn.

Dallas can offer 4 years with only 4.5% raises 2012-2013 17.095m (17.095m) 2013-2014 17.864m (17.864m) 2014-2015 18.668m (18.668m) 2015-2016 19.508m (19.508m) ----------73.135m over 4 years (73.135m) over 4 years (higher property tax)

So despite significantly more money in Brooklyn in the first four years, Deron would actually take home 3million more in Dallas with smaller raises. You have to take into account property taxes, but if he rented or had reasonable real estate holdings in Texas, he could still come out ahead here, and let's not consider the difference in what you could get for a million in either city. If Deron doesn't care about the 5th year, then Texas wouldnt be a bad location to be, or with full Bird rights we could extend him for a year at a 7.5% raise so the 5 year totals would be: (91.29) Brooklyn (94.106m) Dallas.

[jeff1624]

Does that also take into account the endorsement deals he will get in Brooklyn as the face of a semi-new franchise... or how he'll always play second fiddle to Dirk if he were to go the Mavs and wouldn't have nearly as many endorsement deals there as he would here?

[VCRJKidd15]

Just found this nugget.

New Jersey can offer 5 years max with 7.5% raises. (post state/city tax in parentheses) 2012-2013 17.586m (15.739m) 2013-2014 18.905m (16.920m) 2014-2015 20.323m (18.189m) 2015-2016 21.847m (19.553m) (23.486m) -----------------78.661m over 4 years/ 102m over 5 (91.290m) (70.401m) over 4 years (moderate property tax)

Deron would be in the highest tax bracket and would pay 6.85% in state and 3.648% city for a total of 10.5% tax over the federal. The irony is that the move to Brooklyn increases the tax rate from 8.95% in Newark to 10.5% in Brooklyn.

Dallas can offer 4 years with only 4.5% raises 2012-2013 17.095m (17.095m) 2013-2014 17.864m (17.864m) 2014-2015 18.668m (18.668m) 2015-2016 19.508m (19.508m) ----------73.135m over 4 years (73.135m) over 4 years (higher property tax)

So despite significantly more money in Brooklyn in the first four years, Deron would actually take home 3million more in Dallas with smaller raises. You have to take into account property taxes, but if he rented or had reasonable real estate holdings in Texas, he could still come out ahead here, and let's not consider the difference in what you could get for a million in either city. If Deron doesn't care about the 5th year, then Texas wouldnt be a bad location to be, or with full Bird rights we could extend him for a year at a 7.5% raise so the 5 year totals would be: (91.29) Brooklyn (94.106m) Dallas.

Mavs fans digging for scraps at this point. Endorsements will makeup for those silly taxes

[vincecarter4pres]

Does that also take into account the endorsement deals he will get in Brooklyn as the face of a semi-new franchise... or how he'll always play second fiddle to Dirk if he were to go the Mavs and wouldn't have nearly as many endorsement deals there as he would here?

[jeff1624]

[Jersey Generals]

Taxes and tax law? Really? We're resorting to that now? Please. Don't make me come into this conversation.

[jeff1624]

Taxes and tax law? Really? We're resorting to that now? Please. Don't make me come into this conversation.

Oh oh

[N Ireland Nets]

Taxes and tax law? Really? We're resorting to that now? Please. Don't make me come into this conversation.

[VCRJKidd15]

Taxes and tax law? Really? We're resorting to that now? Please. Don't make me come into this conversation.

[Ronito]

We talkin' bout taxes?

[HotrodBeaubois]

Just found this nugget.

New Jersey can offer 5 years max with 7.5% raises. (post state/city tax in parentheses) 2012-2013 17.586m (15.739m) 2013-2014 18.905m (16.920m) 2014-2015 20.323m (18.189m) 2015-2016 21.847m (19.553m) (23.486m) -----------------78.661m over 4 years/ 102m over 5 (91.290m) (70.401m) over 4 years (moderate property tax)

Deron would be in the highest tax bracket and would pay 6.85% in state and 3.648% city for a total of 10.5% tax over the federal. The irony is that the move to Brooklyn increases the tax rate from 8.95% in Newark to 10.5% in Brooklyn.

Dallas can offer 4 years with only 4.5% raises 2012-2013 17.095m (17.095m) 2013-2014 17.864m (17.864m) 2014-2015 18.668m (18.668m) 2015-2016 19.508m (19.508m) ----------73.135m over 4 years (73.135m) over 4 years (higher property tax)

So despite significantly more money in Brooklyn in the first four years, Deron would actually take home 3million more in Dallas with smaller raises. You have to take into account property taxes, but if he rented or had reasonable real estate holdings in Texas, he could still come out ahead here, and let's not consider the difference in what you could get for a million in either city. If Deron doesn't care about the 5th year, then Texas wouldnt be a bad location to be, or with full Bird rights we could extend him for a year at a 7.5% raise so the 5 year totals would be: (91.29) Brooklyn (94.106m) Dallas.

As a Dallas fan I will say that post is not entirely true . By playing in Dallas Deron will still have to pay taxes on 33 road games which is about $600 K per year .

As for endorsements and being the face of Brooklyn.

1- Dirk did say at exit interviews that he would be more than happy to turn the keys over to another superstar. So I think Hometown kid in a costarring role as the face of the franchise will draw more than enough media attention.

2.If Deron stays and gets another Superstar ( Howard ) then how is he the face of the franchise? He's not he's competiing with another superstar for attention just like in Dallas but in Dallas does Dirk let him have all the attention .. Probably . Can you say the same thing for Howard ? Doubtful.

3. Endorsements - who in Dallas will Deron have to compete with for Endorsements? No one ! Who will Deron have to compete with in endorsements in New York ? Carmelo , Linsanity and possibly Howard . So I'm not so sure that the endorsement opportunities will be that much larger in NY over Dallas.

The way I see it sure there are some more opportunities available in NY but I don't think that it will be that much more than Hometown Olympian Costarring Face of the franchise in Dallas.

I will see they this if you get a top 3 pick you most likely keep Deron .

No hard Feelings and may the Best Franchise Win ( Dallas) !