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Reggie brings almost infectious energy to a team and that's great for a 15 mpg guy. When he starts playing 28-32 minutes, his flaws stand out and his strengths are exposed.
He grabs offensive boards because no one pays attention to him on offense - it gives him the freedom to move around with being boxed out. Are those offensive rebounds useful? Sure but they're misleading. His 2 offensive rebounds might lead to 10 bad offensive possessions because his defender is roaming and shutting other plays down.
He's a good screener but that skill is almost useless when you aren't a presence on offense. Watch what happens when Reggie sets an on-ball screen. His defender traps with absolutely no worry because he isn't a threat to pop or roll or even catch the ball. So who cares if he's a strong screener? His screen plays get blown up because his defender can step up without fear.
I don't know if Mirza should start (would like to get him a consistent 25 minutes first) but Mirza should get good minutes with the starting unit. His skill set fits perfectly and gives everyone room to operate. It's also a chance to get Brook to step up. Through the eye test, he's gotten better at rebounding but he's still happy to let Evans or Hump take his boards away. Put Mirza next to him and tell him that he is solely responsible for shutting down the paint and protecting the boards. He's been steadily improving - let him take the next step and give him more responsibility.
He grabs offensive boards because no one pays attention to him on offense - it gives him the freedom to move around with being boxed out. Are those offensive rebounds useful? Sure but they're misleading. His 2 offensive rebounds might lead to 10 bad offensive possessions because his defender is roaming and shutting other plays down.
He's a good screener but that skill is almost useless when you aren't a presence on offense. Watch what happens when Reggie sets an on-ball screen. His defender traps with absolutely no worry because he isn't a threat to pop or roll or even catch the ball. So who cares if he's a strong screener? His screen plays get blown up because his defender can step up without fear.
I don't know if Mirza should start (would like to get him a consistent 25 minutes first) but Mirza should get good minutes with the starting unit. His skill set fits perfectly and gives everyone room to operate. It's also a chance to get Brook to step up. Through the eye test, he's gotten better at rebounding but he's still happy to let Evans or Hump take his boards away. Put Mirza next to him and tell him that he is solely responsible for shutting down the paint and protecting the boards. He's been steadily improving - let him take the next step and give him more responsibility.
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Yes to everything above, excellent breakdown.

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So Bondy is saying on Twitter he asked questions to PJ today about Teletovic:
This doesn’t make sense to me. PJ said he didn’t like the match ups for Tele against New Orleans with Smith and Anderson, which makes no sense.
PJ doesn’t like the match up’s for Tele in the immediate future due to the match ups being big according to Bondy. My problem with this is that Teletovic is actually our biggest PF outside of Blatche who is our back up center.
Teletovic: 6’9 255lbs
Evans: 6’8 245lbs
Humphries: 6’9 235lbs
It makes no sense to me at all. It just comes across more and more that PJ really really really doesn’t want Teletovic to play, he clearly doesn’t rate him at all.
Here's the story: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/nets/2 ... to-address
NYDNInterNets: Asked all the Mirza questions of PJ for you fans.
NYDNInterNets: PJ said he’s gonna make Mitza a priority going forward, sees him as a mismatch (good and bad) on both ends of the floor
NYDNInterNets: PJ says he will use remaining games to evaluate Mirza before settling on a rotation. (Just not immediate games because opponents are big)
This doesn’t make sense to me. PJ said he didn’t like the match ups for Tele against New Orleans with Smith and Anderson, which makes no sense.
PJ doesn’t like the match up’s for Tele in the immediate future due to the match ups being big according to Bondy. My problem with this is that Teletovic is actually our biggest PF outside of Blatche who is our back up center.
Teletovic: 6’9 255lbs
Evans: 6’8 245lbs
Humphries: 6’9 235lbs
It makes no sense to me at all. It just comes across more and more that PJ really really really doesn’t want Teletovic to play, he clearly doesn’t rate him at all.
Here's the story: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/nets/2 ... to-address

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PJ just like Avery before him does not like Teletovic...The only reason PJ gives lip service to Mirza is he doesn't want to further insult his owner and some upper management execs...The main reason I believe PJ does not like Mirza is that it causes problems for him trying to play a guy who has a good BBIQ in his low BBIQ rotations and playbook...There are reasons PJ has been an unsuccessful head coach in the NBA...The only reason he got the head coaching spot in the first place is kind of a fluke...Unless this team makes some serious noise in the playoffs I'm pretty sure PJ will be gone in a few months and I would wager that he will probably not be a head coach in the NBA any time soon after.
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It's just clear that PJ is stuck between a rock and hard place.
The only reason why he is saying that they MUST figure out Mirza and give him a chance going forward is because Proky and upper management have demanded that he play more. It's clear that PJ doesn't want to play Mirza at all but if PJ wants any shot of being head coach next season, he needs to acquiesce with the request from the higher-ups even though he doesn't really want to.
The only reason why he is saying that they MUST figure out Mirza and give him a chance going forward is because Proky and upper management have demanded that he play more. It's clear that PJ doesn't want to play Mirza at all but if PJ wants any shot of being head coach next season, he needs to acquiesce with the request from the higher-ups even though he doesn't really want to.
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Yeah, for whatever reason, PJ just doesn't want to play Mirza.
And a lot of this just goes back to Billy King. Forget his roster moves...he should be fired for the hiring of this coaching staff. You have literally billions of dollars at your disposal to hire a top of the line coaching staff, since there's no cap on how much you can spend on coaching, and you hire the biggest group of coaching rejects around the league. There's a reason why they were all available and were willing to coach a sorry ass franchise (that's just what we were before Brooklyn).
As soon as last season was over, we should have cleaned house with this coaching staff, and hired actually competent coaches that know how to utilize talent. I don't think even the pick up games I play in with my friends have as many ISO plays as the Nets do. When Avery Johnson, PJ Carlesimo, Popeye Jones, and Mario Elie come up with an offense that no other coach in the league would even think about using, what's more likely: they're geniuses that came up with an offensive system that no other coach could think of, or they're braindead morons who don't understand the simplest concepts of spacing, player movement, and ball movement? Popovich runs the exact opposite of our "system"...I think I'd trust his judgement over that of Avery Johnson and PJ Carlesimo. Tele on the Spurs would be talked about as one of the best bench players in the league, book it. He has legit skills, and he's the type of player that THRIVES in Pop's system: a smart, talented player who can shoot the ball.
And a lot of this just goes back to Billy King. Forget his roster moves...he should be fired for the hiring of this coaching staff. You have literally billions of dollars at your disposal to hire a top of the line coaching staff, since there's no cap on how much you can spend on coaching, and you hire the biggest group of coaching rejects around the league. There's a reason why they were all available and were willing to coach a sorry ass franchise (that's just what we were before Brooklyn).
As soon as last season was over, we should have cleaned house with this coaching staff, and hired actually competent coaches that know how to utilize talent. I don't think even the pick up games I play in with my friends have as many ISO plays as the Nets do. When Avery Johnson, PJ Carlesimo, Popeye Jones, and Mario Elie come up with an offense that no other coach in the league would even think about using, what's more likely: they're geniuses that came up with an offensive system that no other coach could think of, or they're braindead morons who don't understand the simplest concepts of spacing, player movement, and ball movement? Popovich runs the exact opposite of our "system"...I think I'd trust his judgement over that of Avery Johnson and PJ Carlesimo. Tele on the Spurs would be talked about as one of the best bench players in the league, book it. He has legit skills, and he's the type of player that THRIVES in Pop's system: a smart, talented player who can shoot the ball.
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He's better than Avery but PJ sure takes a long time to say nothing. (I do too but I'm not being interviewed) That article is filled with 4 paragraphs of PJ talking and it's all BS.
There's no doubt in my mind that this is just lip service for upper-management. He's admitting he's not going to play him these next 2 games (unless he wants some ice cold mirza to heat up our offense) and after that, he's going to keep the same rotations, hoping everyone forgot what he said.
Basically - big teams are a mismatch for Mirza (even though he played well against the Grizzlies) and Ryan Anderson is a mismatch for Mirza. I would love for PJ to explain what exactly he considers a good match up for him. The issue with PJ is that he's stuck in 1995. By the way, I don't know how in the world you could consider Chicago a big team. Boozer, Gibson and Noah are big? They're good but they're not BIG. Let's also ignore the fact that Mirza is probably the biggest PF we have.
Realistically, this Mirza thing isn't happening until Teletovic comes in and drops 30 or PJ is fired. PJ is clearly stuck in 1995 where Euro's are considered soft and shooting bigmen aren't useful (i saw his lineups during his stint with the Thunder... there's no hope). It's pretty upsetting that our coach prefers to handcuff our offense like this but whatever.
There's no doubt in my mind that this is just lip service for upper-management. He's admitting he's not going to play him these next 2 games (unless he wants some ice cold mirza to heat up our offense) and after that, he's going to keep the same rotations, hoping everyone forgot what he said.
Basically - big teams are a mismatch for Mirza (even though he played well against the Grizzlies) and Ryan Anderson is a mismatch for Mirza. I would love for PJ to explain what exactly he considers a good match up for him. The issue with PJ is that he's stuck in 1995. By the way, I don't know how in the world you could consider Chicago a big team. Boozer, Gibson and Noah are big? They're good but they're not BIG. Let's also ignore the fact that Mirza is probably the biggest PF we have.
Realistically, this Mirza thing isn't happening until Teletovic comes in and drops 30 or PJ is fired. PJ is clearly stuck in 1995 where Euro's are considered soft and shooting bigmen aren't useful (i saw his lineups during his stint with the Thunder... there's no hope). It's pretty upsetting that our coach prefers to handcuff our offense like this but whatever.
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We won't forget.
We see it every time on the court and I'm sure Proky knows what's up too.
PJ can try to make people forget but unless he's a total fool, he'll listen to management or else he'll be in the unemployment line next season along with Avery.
We see it every time on the court and I'm sure Proky knows what's up too.
PJ can try to make people forget but unless he's a total fool, he'll listen to management or else he'll be in the unemployment line next season along with Avery.
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NyCeEvO wrote:We won't forget.
We see it every time on the court and I'm sure Proky knows what's up too.
PJ can try to make people forget but unless he's a total fool, he'll listen to management or else he'll be in the unemployment line next season along with Avery.
For my sake, I really hope he's in the unemployment line no matter what.
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NyCeEvO wrote:We won't forget.
We see it every time on the court and I'm sure Proky knows what's up too.
PJ can try to make people forget but unless he's a total fool, he'll listen to management or else he'll be in the unemployment line next season along with Avery.

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PJC is a dishonest jackass.
Teletovic played excellent defense against Marc Gasol in the 4th of the Memphis game. He didn't remotely give Mirza a chance in the Hornets game.
Meanwhile, Evans has stunk up the gym night after night and he plays him with blatant disregard for this team's success.
Mismatches my ass.
PJ is a lame duck and doesn't give a ****. He knows one of his coaching buds will bring him in to their bench next season, so why not screw up the team that fired his buddy Avery.
Teletovic played excellent defense against Marc Gasol in the 4th of the Memphis game. He didn't remotely give Mirza a chance in the Hornets game.
Meanwhile, Evans has stunk up the gym night after night and he plays him with blatant disregard for this team's success.
Mismatches my ass.
PJ is a lame duck and doesn't give a ****. He knows one of his coaching buds will bring him in to their bench next season, so why not screw up the team that fired his buddy Avery.
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NyCeEvO wrote:We won't forget.
We see it every time on the court and I'm sure Proky knows what's up too.
PJ can try to make people forget but unless he's a total fool, he'll listen to management or else he'll be in the unemployment line next season along with Avery.
He will not have a job with this team this season.
When the team's owner points out correctly that this team looked bad in wins, and fired the coach, you don't think that he notices the same crap happening with the interim?
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There's so much stupid in his words, i can't really comment... but everyone else has pretty much said it spot on or similiar to what i would've posted....
i'm like really? this guy is a coach? holy eff....
i'm like really? this guy is a coach? holy eff....
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Williams-Johnson-Bogans-Teletovic-Lopez Lineup"
156 points per 100 possesions. far and away(30+) our most potent lineup
but yeah, lets not play mirza. especially not with our starters.
156 points per 100 possesions. far and away(30+) our most potent lineup
but yeah, lets not play mirza. especially not with our starters.
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Its all about the sample size...
Mriza has played over 20min twice, with the most minutes played in a single game this year being 21:44. He has played 14+min. 6 times and that is with me generously rounding up twice...
You can nick-pick at his game all day long, you can exploit his mistakes all you want (just like Blatche), but those oppose to seeing Mirza play 25+min are truly blind to how he can help us...taking into consideration how the rotations would need to play out so we can provide help both on the glass and defensively when he is in the game is an easy fix, though the way we are playing defense, it really does not matter...in theory, there are a couple of ways to go about it...
I hate redundancy in threads (and there has been a lot of it in threads lately) so I will let you do the reading in previous posts because the examples of lineups are there...
With that said, Mirza has never been given a true chance, at first I thought his game was over rated, but you have seen so many glimpses of what he is capable of on both sides of floor, this is a no brainer...to make things easier I would bench Hump and Marshon for one game and give the minutes to Mirza...and I'm not trying to take a shot at Marshon we'll leave that discussion to the relative thread...
This would put him around 25-30min with the Nets using a 9 man rotation...screw the match up, Mirza is capable of causing match up problems for the opposition...this gives the Nets some extra offense and helps spread floor even more when used w/ Brook...w/ a smaller lineup we should continue to spread the floor giving us the ability to drive the lane easier cause it won't be as clogged...
The talent is there, but we are talking about a NBA rookie who each game probably learns something or has at least one aspect of the NBA game reinforced...If we are not interested in developing new talent, young talent or mixing things up the likeliness of us not making the 2nd round becomes more possible...
I personally would love to see us play Mirza w/ Brook and have Blatche and Reggie come off the bench together as they were playing well together earlier in the season... though I feel we are being a little hard on PJ, his rotations are becoming Avery like and we are not stressing defense enough...but let me stay on topic here...
Mirza needs to be allowed to make mistakes so we can utilize him appropriately...his defense has been spotty, but when he has done an adequate job there has been no carry over, no reinforcement because he plays 2 min the next game...fact is, he has been unable to build on anything...I was personally hard on him in the beginning but you could see nerves and confidence was big part of that...
To me if the Nets are ever going to come full circle with Mirza they have to be willing to experiment with him in line ups where this team can take advantage of his strengths...if PJ and company continue to be reluctant to play him an avg of 20min a game as we've seen already, he has no chance of building on anything this year...
Funny thing is, our defense is so below average I cannot comprehend PJ's fear...that has been the most disappointing part of his interim coaching job as well as the most frustrating part of being a fan this year...
Try something new, mix or change things up enough to say well we at least try that before it is too late...
Mriza has played over 20min twice, with the most minutes played in a single game this year being 21:44. He has played 14+min. 6 times and that is with me generously rounding up twice...
You can nick-pick at his game all day long, you can exploit his mistakes all you want (just like Blatche), but those oppose to seeing Mirza play 25+min are truly blind to how he can help us...taking into consideration how the rotations would need to play out so we can provide help both on the glass and defensively when he is in the game is an easy fix, though the way we are playing defense, it really does not matter...in theory, there are a couple of ways to go about it...
I hate redundancy in threads (and there has been a lot of it in threads lately) so I will let you do the reading in previous posts because the examples of lineups are there...
With that said, Mirza has never been given a true chance, at first I thought his game was over rated, but you have seen so many glimpses of what he is capable of on both sides of floor, this is a no brainer...to make things easier I would bench Hump and Marshon for one game and give the minutes to Mirza...and I'm not trying to take a shot at Marshon we'll leave that discussion to the relative thread...
This would put him around 25-30min with the Nets using a 9 man rotation...screw the match up, Mirza is capable of causing match up problems for the opposition...this gives the Nets some extra offense and helps spread floor even more when used w/ Brook...w/ a smaller lineup we should continue to spread the floor giving us the ability to drive the lane easier cause it won't be as clogged...
The talent is there, but we are talking about a NBA rookie who each game probably learns something or has at least one aspect of the NBA game reinforced...If we are not interested in developing new talent, young talent or mixing things up the likeliness of us not making the 2nd round becomes more possible...
I personally would love to see us play Mirza w/ Brook and have Blatche and Reggie come off the bench together as they were playing well together earlier in the season... though I feel we are being a little hard on PJ, his rotations are becoming Avery like and we are not stressing defense enough...but let me stay on topic here...
Mirza needs to be allowed to make mistakes so we can utilize him appropriately...his defense has been spotty, but when he has done an adequate job there has been no carry over, no reinforcement because he plays 2 min the next game...fact is, he has been unable to build on anything...I was personally hard on him in the beginning but you could see nerves and confidence was big part of that...
To me if the Nets are ever going to come full circle with Mirza they have to be willing to experiment with him in line ups where this team can take advantage of his strengths...if PJ and company continue to be reluctant to play him an avg of 20min a game as we've seen already, he has no chance of building on anything this year...
Funny thing is, our defense is so below average I cannot comprehend PJ's fear...that has been the most disappointing part of his interim coaching job as well as the most frustrating part of being a fan this year...
Try something new, mix or change things up enough to say well we at least try that before it is too late...
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Wait, did I just read that PJ has not settled on a rotation and we are in March? ...Good lord.
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