2015 Brooklyn Nets Offseason Thread II

[jbeachboy]

it was weak power forward market, and thad did well with brook, not much out there

[Prokorov]

Well, yeah because we're not getting Durant/Lebron (which was your reason behind not wanting to use space to resign thad), and none of the top FAs this summer will consider us/or are too old to max out. So yeah, it was still the right decision.

with thad we dont have the money for lebron and durant. so why not at least keep the possibility open. you dont think lebron and durant think highly of themselves to where if they teamed up they wouldnt have a good team?

Your argument breaks apart when you look at the list of FAs that may command 2 max deals as is. We'll make sensible signings this offseason and maintain flexibility for the much better 2017 FA group.

i doubt we make sensible signings. i think we will drastically overpay whoever will take our money after the first 2-3 tiers of FA's go elsewhere.

Okay, here:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/6711/free-agents-2016-and-2017

Looking only at the 2016 FAs, and excluding Durant/Lebron (because frankly, that whole idea was and is ridiculous), list the two players you're maxing out among this group.

you are missing my entire point. which is:

1 a billion chance at lebron/durant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resigning thad so we can STILL suck and STILL not be an attactive team to join.

what does thad add? nothing. he doesnt prevent us from being an awful team. and he wont make guys want to sign here. if anything he kind of blocks PFs who might be a fit from coming here.

everyone here told me all summer that we would be "a 15 win team so bad and a joke that no FA would come". and that thad would at least keep us at a place where we could contend for the 8 seed. i responded that isnt good enough, and wouldnt be worth more then 2-4 wins if that.

[Prokorov]

it was weak power forward market, and thad did well with brook, not much out there

i dont hurt my cap room in an offseason where the only hope to rebuild is thorugh FA to bring back a weak PF in a weak PF market.

[MrDollarBills]

The possibility?

There is ZERO chance that lebron and durant even take a MEETING with the Nets nevermind actually teaming up here.

The whole "chance of lebron/durant" >>>> resigning Thad is nonsense Prok. There is NO chance. Period!

[Prokorov]

The possibility?

There is ZERO chance that lebron and durant even take a MEETING with the Nets nevermind actually teaming up here.

The whole "chance of lebron/durant" >>>> resigning Thad is nonsense Prok. There is NO chance. Period!

the only thing there is no chance of is this team being respectable because thad young will lead us there.

[NyCeEvO]

No, there is zero chance. Prok, you're being pedantic about something that everyone knows will not happen.

This isn't Vegas or oddsmaker where every team in the league has a betting chance to win the title.

At least the Sixers have assets for their two player cornerstone in Okafor and Noel. They should prep for the possibility of LBJ and Durant too, right?

[MrDollarBills]

The possibility?

There is ZERO chance that lebron and durant even take a MEETING with the Nets nevermind actually teaming up here.

The whole "chance of lebron/durant" >>>> resigning Thad is nonsense Prok. There is NO chance. Period!

the only thing there is no chance of is this team being respectable because thad young will lead us there.

Thad Young has nothing to do with it. You really think 6 months from now when this team posts a 10-72 record and gifts Boston a #1 pick, that the Nets have a serious chance of signing these guys? It could be with or without Thad at this point the end result will be the same

[NyCeEvO]

The possibility?

There is ZERO chance that lebron and durant even take a MEETING with the Nets nevermind actually teaming up here.

The whole "chance of lebron/durant" >>>> resigning Thad is nonsense Prok. There is NO chance. Period!

the only thing there is no chance of is this team being respectable because thad young will lead us there.

According to the logic that you have been using, you cannot make that claim until the season has concluded and we see where we stand.

Technically, there is a chance that Thad could lead us to being respectable.

Do any of us believe it will happen? Of course not.
Why? Because it doesn't take Nostradamus to see that he is and more importantly will never be good enough to lead a team.

We cannot prove that KD and/or LBJ won't sign here in the offseason simply because the offseason isn't here yet.

However, (with the exception of you) do any of us even think it could happen with this team as presently constituted? No.
Why? Because it doesn't take Nostradamus to see how bad this team is and more importantly how superstar players aren't risking their prime years on a team that is not just far away from contending, but is actually one of the worst in the league.

We won't even have a top lotto pick to show for this terrible season. At least that could've been an incentive. But look at the Knicks and Porzingis. He (as a top pick), Melo, NYC, and cap space couldn't bring anyone noteworthy to the Knicks.

Are we to believe that with no top pick, Brook Lopez, and the same remaining conditions, we're somehow going to fare MUCH better?

[Prokorov]

The possibility?

There is ZERO chance that lebron and durant even take a MEETING with the Nets nevermind actually teaming up here.

The whole "chance of lebron/durant" >>>> resigning Thad is nonsense Prok. There is NO chance. Period!

the only thing there is no chance of is this team being respectable because thad young will lead us there.

Thad Young has nothing to do with it. You really think 6 months from now when this team posts a 10-72 record and gifts Boston a #1 pick, that the Nets have a serious chance of signing these guys? It could be with or without Thad at this point the end result will be the same

i think the best chance of us signing ANYONE good is to be able to sell 2 of them on playing together for the max. i think the odds of ONE good player signing are close to 0 for the reasons you mention. but the odds of TWO of them thinking that if they team up it would be enough to turn things around is much better.

of course it has something to do with thad. your telling me if durant and called his buddy conley and wanted to join up here it wouldnt be nice to have the money to max both of them out?

i was told all offseason that thad signing was critical because he would prevent us from being a 15 win laughing stock and would help draw free agents. he isnt coming anywhere close to doing that, so what use does he serve? he doesnt help this team short or long term

[Prokorov]

The possibility?

There is ZERO chance that lebron and durant even take a MEETING with the Nets nevermind actually teaming up here.

The whole "chance of lebron/durant" >>>> resigning Thad is nonsense Prok. There is NO chance. Period!

the only thing there is no chance of is this team being respectable because thad young will lead us there.

According to the logic that you have been using, you cannot make that claim until the season has concluded and we see where we stand.

Technically, there is a chance that Thad could lead us to being respectable.

Do any of us believe it will happen? Of course not.
Why? Because it doesn't take Nostradamus to see that he is and more importantly will never be good enough to lead a team.

We cannot prove that KD and/or LBJ won't sign here in the offseason simply because the offseason isn't here yet.

However, (with the exception of you) do any of us even think it could happen with this team as presently constituted? No.
Why? Because it doesn't take Nostradamus to see how bad this team is and more importantly how superstar players aren't risking their prime years on a team that is not just far away from contending, but is actually one of the worst in the league.

We won't even have a top lotto pick to show for this terrible season. At least that could've been an incentive. But look at the Knicks and Porzingis. He (as a top pick), Melo, NYC, and cap space couldn't bring anyone noteworthy to the Knicks.

Are we to believe that with no top pick, Brook Lopez, and the same remaining conditions, we're somehow going to fare MUCH better?

every FA year is different. different players with different priorites and different landscapes.

also it doesnt have to be LBJ and durant. what if conley wants to come here and wants to try and convince KD to come to and both want the max? there are some scenarios.

you are 1000000% missing my point. its not about the probability of them getting here, its about not giving yourself the option should something crazy happen.

why choose thad young who does absolutely nothing for this teams chances at winning or landing a free agent over the cap space? if thad helped us short or longer term fine. but its thad freaking young! the guy is a nobody role player not some impact player or young stud building block. he is a guy you add to the spurs or clippers or cavs to help get over the top, not someone you add to the kings or wolve to help start turning around a franchise.

0.00000000000000000000001% chance of KD/whomever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. thad

hell id even argue 0% chance of KD/whomever > thad. thad you know is worthless. who knows what the extra cap space could be

[MrDollarBills]

the only thing there is no chance of is this team being respectable because thad young will lead us there.

Thad Young has nothing to do with it. You really think 6 months from now when this team posts a 10-72 record and gifts Boston a #1 pick, that the Nets have a serious chance of signing these guys? It could be with or without Thad at this point the end result will be the same

i think the best chance of us signing ANYONE good is to be able to sell 2 of them on playing together for the max.

That isn't a chance, that is a prayer.

[MrDollarBills]

the only thing there is no chance of is this team being respectable because thad young will lead us there.

According to the logic that you have been using, you cannot make that claim until the season has concluded and we see where we stand.

Technically, there is a chance that Thad could lead us to being respectable.

Do any of us believe it will happen? Of course not.
Why? Because it doesn't take Nostradamus to see that he is and more importantly will never be good enough to lead a team.

We cannot prove that KD and/or LBJ won't sign here in the offseason simply because the offseason isn't here yet.

However, (with the exception of you) do any of us even think it could happen with this team as presently constituted? No.
Why? Because it doesn't take Nostradamus to see how bad this team is and more importantly how superstar players aren't risking their prime years on a team that is not just far away from contending, but is actually one of the worst in the league.

We won't even have a top lotto pick to show for this terrible season. At least that could've been an incentive. But look at the Knicks and Porzingis. He (as a top pick), Melo, NYC, and cap space couldn't bring anyone noteworthy to the Knicks.

Are we to believe that with no top pick, Brook Lopez, and the same remaining conditions, we're somehow going to fare MUCH better?

every FA year is different. different players with different priorites and different landscapes.

also it doesnt have to be LBJ and durant. what if conley wants to come here and wants to try and convince KD to come to and both want the max? there are some scenarios.

you are 1000000% missing my point. its not about the probability of them getting here, its about not giving yourself the option should something crazy happen.

why choose thad young who does absolutely nothing for this teams chances at winning or landing a free agent over the cap space? if thad helped us short or longer term fine. but its thad freaking young! the guy is a nobody role player not some impact player or young stud building block. he is a guy you add to the spurs or clippers or cavs to help get over the top, not someone you add to the kings or wolve to help start turning around a franchise.

0.00000000000000000000001% chance of KD/whomever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. thad

hell id even argue 0% chance of KD/whomever > thad. thad you know is worthless. who knows what the extra cap space could be

Then you have an agenda.

The extra space could be travis outlaw and anthony morrow.

[Prokorov]

Thad Young has nothing to do with it. You really think 6 months from now when this team posts a 10-72 record and gifts Boston a #1 pick, that the Nets have a serious chance of signing these guys? It could be with or without Thad at this point the end result will be the same

i think the best chance of us signing ANYONE good is to be able to sell 2 of them on playing together for the max.

That isn't a chance, that is a prayer.

again, how is a prayer not better then nothing? why even take away that prayer. why throw away that cap space which just ensures you wont be able to even if it was some remote possibility?

a lotto ticket is basically impossible to hit on. but if you had one would you throw it away or keep it and check the number still?

[Prokorov]

Then you have an agenda.

The extra space could be travis outlaw and anthony morrow.

ill take morrow/outlaw as a fallback as opposed to locking into thad young

the only agenda is to keep open any possibilites of getting better. thad young ensures we wont.

[MrDollarBills]

No he doesn't, not having any picks and losing will ensure that. the cap is going to balloon. just because you believe that that we'd remotely be able to sign Lebron/Durant doesn't mean that Thad is the cause of why the Nets can't get better. You have an agenda, period.