Rondae Hollis-Jefferson Official Thread

[TinmanZBoy]

I disagree with your rhetoric that "RHJ has a lot of potential."...At best, RHJ ceilling is Imam Shumpert who was expected to start for Cleveland when they traded for him, but because of his shooting inability, JR Smith took his spot.

To RHJ's credit, he finally had a decent game against Charlotte and if he can play like that at least half of the time, Nets would probably compete for the 8th seed, which is not impossible if Kenny gets his act together and make the proper adjustment.

RHJ has some very visible fundamental flaws in his game and I believe many NBA teams would not give him endless rope for his development..The Nets have to do it because they have no young guys, but many team would not waste too many time to develop a guy that at best, "could" be as good as Imam Shumpert.

Even with this Nets team and the motion system, RHJ can only properly fit in if he can improve his shooting, so don't be surprised if RHJ is traded as a fill in if Lopez is traded...A good scout could easily tell the Nets that RHJ will never become a good shooter to spread the floor under the motion offense, thus the need to trade him, possibly alongside Lopez for draft picks and a few 3-D wings that would fit the system better.

"RHJ has a lot of potential" is not a rhetoric, it is a well known fact around NBA... by the way, Shumpert was highly regarded too...

I guess have a different view of "High potential" and your definition of high potential is very low....I regard D'Angelo and Devin Booker as "high potential" young players even during their first year..I didn't need to watch them for many games to come to that conclusion....At the very least, both will be strong starters in this league......RHJ, if he can not develop a shot soon, has no chance at even becoming a starter since the league is moving toward a pace and space league where wings are require to be able to shoot.

there are two sides of ball.... RHJ is far ahead of D'angelo and Booker on defense... at least he can be a good defensive specialist, don't tell me Tony Allen is not a starter in this league, guys like Andre Robertson, Thabo started for a reason...RHJ also has good instincts on offense too, it is just his skills are too raw at this point... that's why we talk about his potentials..

by the way, Shumpet was starting ahead of J.R.... he got a decent contract from Cavs. last year, not J.R... Last season, Shumpert was injured at the beginning of the season, J.R. started, he grabbed that role, run with it, had a hell of run in the championship... if Cavs did not win the championship, I doubt J.R. would still be in the Cavs... Shumpert's perimeter defense was more needed for Cavs. than J.R.'s offense, although J.R. is no slob on D either... however, things could change, you play into your role...

[hood30]

"RHJ has a lot of potential" is not a rhetoric, it is a well known fact around NBA... by the way, Shumpert was highly regarded too...

I guess have a different view of "High potential" and your definition of high potential is very low....I regard D'Angelo and Devin Booker as "high potential" young players even during their first year..I didn't need to watch them for many games to come to that conclusion....At the very least, both will be strong starters in this league......RHJ, if he can not develop a shot soon, has no chance at even becoming a starter since the league is moving toward a pace and space league where wings are require to be able to shoot.

there are two sides of ball.... RHJ is far ahead of D'angelo and Booker on defense... at least he can be a good defensive specialist, don't tell me Tony Allen is not a starter in this league, guys like Andre Robertson, Thabo started for a reason...RHJ also has good instincts on offense too, it is just his skills are too raw at this point... that's why we talk about his potentials..

I disagree with the "far ahead of them defensively" since RHJ hasn't made much impact on defense so far...Booker and Russell have much complete and balanced games and can both shoot, handle, better IQ and pretty much everything else you can think of..RHJ only has athleticsm, but I wouldn't call him the better defender already..and RHJ is so far behind Booker/Russell at every skill-sets that he'd still be viewed a lesser talent even if it was true that he was the better defender.

Again, the NBA is moving toward 3-D wings, so being a one-sided player will most likely limit your playing time...Unless you're a center, or the team already have a lot of shooters in other position, a wing who can not shoot will not start or be able to close games since the space is needed for penetrating guards on Pick-N-Roll.

What I'm saying is a guy who has average defense and good shooting ability will always be worth more than a good defender that can not shoot....As long as he's not a sieve on defense....That's exactly what separates JR Smith and Imam Shumpert...and we all know who Cleveland picked as their starter...Shumpert can not close games because of his inability to shoot...RHJ will be treated on par if he doesn't improve his shot.

Even in the Brooklyn games, whenever the game is close, RHJ is out of the game, specially if Brooklyn is behind and need point to catch up.

Saying that, RHJ did have a good game against Charlotte and he'll have to keep that up to be taken seriously..So far' I've been massively underwhelmed by his basketball fundamentals and IQ.

[Prokorov]

I disagree with the "far ahead of them defensively" since RHJ hasn't made much impact on defense so far...Booker and Russell have much complete and balanced games and can both shoot, handle, better IQ and pretty much everything else you can think of..RHJ only has athleticsm, but I wouldn't call him the better defender already..and RHJ is so far behind Booker/Russell at every skill-sets that he'd still be viewed a lesser talent even if it was true that he was the better defender.

RHJ has made an ENORMOUS impact on defense so far. and is probably the reason we arent 30th in defense right now. he has been switched onto either the PG or PF in 5 of our 6 games to stop the bleeding. he is already one of the better defenders in the league already, let alone with some experience.

RHJ is FAR ahead of booker and russell defensively. not that those guys are bad defenders, they just are in RHJ's class. you dont have a 5.8 RAPM while being horrible on offense with being a very very special defender.

MDB had it right. some Lin fans here need to stop pretending to know about this team after preseason and a handful of games.

[hood30]

I disagree with the "far ahead of them defensively" since RHJ hasn't made much impact on defense so far...Booker and Russell have much complete and balanced games and can both shoot, handle, better IQ and pretty much everything else you can think of..RHJ only has athleticsm, but I wouldn't call him the better defender already..and RHJ is so far behind Booker/Russell at every skill-sets that he'd still be viewed a lesser talent even if it was true that he was the better defender.

RHJ has made an ENORMOUS impact on defense so far. and is probably the reason we arent 30th in defense right now. he has been switched onto either the PG or PF in 5 of our 6 games to stop the bleeding. he is already one of the better defenders in the league already, let alone with some experience.

RHJ is FAR ahead of booker and russell defensively. not that those guys are bad defenders, they just are in RHJ's class. you dont have a 5.8 RAPM while being horrible on offense with being a very very special defender.

MDB had it right. some Lin fans here need to stop pretending to know about this team after preseason and a handful of games.

I guess we're agree to disagree here with this idea that he's been looking great defensively...We're probably not watching the same games...So far, I've seen all of RHJ's games for summer leagues, training camp and in the regular season 6 games, and with the exception of the last game, he hasn't even looked decent defensively...His defensive statistics even shows it, so I know it's just not my eyes deceiving me.

You keep bringing up last year statistics, but sooner than later, he won't be able to live off these last season 17 games he started where many team probably started resting their guys or other team started tanking for higher lottery picks....Very soon, he's going to have to be more consistent on the defensive side of the ball or I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone as trade fill-in to complete a Lopez trade.

Now for his sick, I do hope he can continue to replicate his last game performance...Even if he could play half as good offensively as he did during last game, that would be a huge boost to the Nets since he's looked so underwhelming on both side of the ball.....Anytime he can score in double digit, the Nets chances of winning would be very good.

As for him being better than Russell/Booker defensively...I simply haven't seen it and I've watched at least half of the Lakers/Suns's game, but than again, even if he was better, that still does not make RHJ anywhere close to these 2 players current ability and future potential anyway....RHJ would have to be a monster defensively since his offensive skill-sets are still at an High-School level.

[MrDollarBills]

I disagree with the "far ahead of them defensively" since RHJ hasn't made much impact on defense so far...Booker and Russell have much complete and balanced games and can both shoot, handle, better IQ and pretty much everything else you can think of..RHJ only has athleticsm, but I wouldn't call him the better defender already..and RHJ is so far behind Booker/Russell at every skill-sets that he'd still be viewed a lesser talent even if it was true that he was the better defender.

RHJ has made an ENORMOUS impact on defense so far. and is probably the reason we arent 30th in defense right now. he has been switched onto either the PG or PF in 5 of our 6 games to stop the bleeding. he is already one of the better defenders in the league already, let alone with some experience.

RHJ is FAR ahead of booker and russell defensively. not that those guys are bad defenders, they just are in RHJ's class. you dont have a 5.8 RAPM while being horrible on offense with being a very very special defender.

MDB had it right. some Lin fans here need to stop pretending to know about this team after preseason and a handful of games.

Exactly. I'm not trying to slight the new comers but it baffles me how fans who spent the first several weeks here since Lin's acquisition talking more about the Charlotte Hornets instead of this team, and then all of a sudden become experts on every player on this roster after meaningless preseason games and 6 regular season games, which is a small sample size to judge nevermind the fact that guys get off to slow starts sometimes in the NBA.

The DRAPM numbers will tell the story, but despite RHJ's poor offensive start he's still a + in DBPM

Saying that RHJ has a low basketball IQ is pure conjecture. He has excellent defensive instincts and on offense he makes excellent decisions when setting up open teammates. His flaw is his lack of proper handle in the half court and his jumpshot, otherwise making him out to be some kind of scrub is crazy. You don't grade out to be the 3rd best defender at your position as a rookie if you're some kind of "lesser talent"

why he is even being compared to Booker and Russell? Totally different skillsets and players.

[MrDollarBills]

Rondae's usage rate actually was higher in the first 5 games... last game his usage rate is 8.4... overall, he does not get touches no matter who he plays with, that's who he is... Rondae's passing and court vision are not bad when he does not put the ball on the floor, whenever he does a little dribble and tries to create, he is atrocious and does not look like a NBA player.... He has a 14.5 TO rate...

Don't take this the wrong way, but Lin fans are killing me right now. "so and so doesn't look like an nba player". What??? this has been said about both Rondae and Isiah, two players who are very young and have a lot of work ahead of them. Just tossing young players under the bus. i can only imagine if someone said that about Jeremy Lin at age 21 or younger. i wonder what would be said? ethnicity would come into question, probably. amirite?

how many games in full have you seen this kid play? You're only here because of Jeremy correct? what gives you even a shred of merit to make this statement? you were watching Charlotte Hornet games last year for christ's sake, you know ZILCH about anyone on this roster, good or bad, outside of Jeremy Lin.

i think how he (RHJ) operated last game is how he should operate. defend, rebound, pass, and on offense if the openings are there, take it and make the best out of it.

i'm getting sick of the degradation going on here with some of our Nets players from the folks who aren't really Nets fans. Sorry, I'll be that guy who puts this out there because it has to be said. how can you judge a 21 year old, and say that he doesn't look like an nba player based off of you watching him for a few preseason games and barely a month into the season?

HE IS NOT A FINISHED PRODUCT. What the hell. same thing with whitehead

yet, the same people saying this ****, whine endlessly about how when Jeremy was younger he was degraded, slept on, never given a chance

how hypocritical.

where did you see I was bashing Rondae? just read back my posts in this thread... I understand Rondae's struggle, every play encounter slumps in a long season and Rondae essentially is a rookie... and I applaud coach and Nets are determined to develop him, stretch his games... I have no problem with Rondae's minutes and starting... instead, i think he has to be in the starting lineup for the defense to work...
however, I don't agree with the notion that Rondae's struggle on offense was because of Lin's presence or playing in a system that takes away his game... what's his game on offense at this point anyway... He is just too raw and limited on offense, i agree his is still developing, he has good instincts on both ends and a restless motor, which means he has the potential to be a special player...but he has a long way to go to be a decent player on offense...
You are getting sick because you are sick...
I talk what I saw about the game... I am a lin fan, however I called out Lin too if he did not pass the ball, he missed the asaignment on defense, just check the game tread...
You can talk about how good or impactful Rondae was last season or summer league, I was aware of it, I was/am actually pretty high on him...but I am talking about the first 5 games, which he was beyond bad on offense, it is Not an understatement... last game, it looked like he is getting out of this slump, you just have to hope he will stay in this level...

You guys are making very knee jerk, snap judgments on a player you have not seen enough tape of in the slightest to even offer a valid opinion on him as a player. He was a non factor on offense because he is trying to fit in and find his role. Otherwise he is still out there working hard and doing what is asked of him.

the coaching staff rightfully is working with him and trying to see what works with him and what doesn't. we just saw the same thing with Lopez who looked lost in game 1, and has been pretty damn good since that time. It's too early to start tossing guys under the bus on here.

[MrDollarBills]

I disagree with your rhetoric that "RHJ has a lot of potential."...At best, RHJ ceilling is Imam Shumpert who was expected to start for Cleveland when they traded for him, but because of his shooting inability, JR Smith took his spot.

To RHJ's credit, he finally had a decent game against Charlotte and if he can play like that at least half of the time, Nets would probably compete for the 8th seed, which is not impossible if Kenny gets his act together and make the proper adjustment.

RHJ has some very visible fundamental flaws in his game and I believe many NBA teams would not give him endless rope for his development..The Nets have to do it because they have no young guys, but many team would not waste too many time to develop a guy that at best, "could" be as good as Imam Shumpert.

Even with this Nets team and the motion system, RHJ can only properly fit in if he can improve his shooting, so don't be surprised if RHJ is traded as a fill in if Lopez is traded...A good scout could easily tell the Nets that RHJ will never become a good shooter to spread the floor under the motion offense, thus the need to trade him, possibly alongside Lopez for draft picks and a few 3-D wings that would fit the system better.

"RHJ has a lot of potential" is not a rhetoric, it is a well known fact around NBA... by the way, Shumpert was highly regarded too...

I guess have a different view of "High potential" and your definition of high potential is very low....I regard D'Angelo and Devin Booker as "high potential" young players even during their first year..I didn't need to watch them for many games to come to that conclusion....At the very least, both will be strong starters in this league......RHJ, if he can not develop a shot soon, has no chance at even becoming a starter since the league is moving toward a pace and space league where wings are required to be able to shoot.

RHJ's high potential is becoming an elite defender and if he can develop his offensive game, a good two way player who can rebound, pass, and hopefully hit shots as time goes on.

Writing off a 21 year old 1st rd pick is utterly ridiculous.

[hood30]

I disagree with the "far ahead of them defensively" since RHJ hasn't made much impact on defense so far...Booker and Russell have much complete and balanced games and can both shoot, handle, better IQ and pretty much everything else you can think of..RHJ only has athleticsm, but I wouldn't call him the better defender already..and RHJ is so far behind Booker/Russell at every skill-sets that he'd still be viewed a lesser talent even if it was true that he was the better defender.

RHJ has made an ENORMOUS impact on defense so far. and is probably the reason we arent 30th in defense right now. he has been switched onto either the PG or PF in 5 of our 6 games to stop the bleeding. he is already one of the better defenders in the league already, let alone with some experience.

RHJ is FAR ahead of booker and russell defensively. not that those guys are bad defenders, they just are in RHJ's class. you dont have a 5.8 RAPM while being horrible on offense with being a very very special defender.

MDB had it right. some Lin fans here need to stop pretending to know about this team after preseason and a handful of games.

Exactly. I'm not trying to slight the new comers but it baffles me how fans who spent the first several weeks here since Lin's acquisition talking more about the Charlotte Hornets instead of this team, and then all of a sudden become experts on every player on this roster after meaningless preseason games and 6 regular season games, which is a small sample size to judge nevermind the fact that guys get off to slow starts sometimes in the NBA.

The DRAPM numbers will tell the story, but despite RHJ's poor offensive start he's still a + in DBPM

Saying that RHJ has a low basketball IQ is pure conjecture. He has excellent defensive instincts and on offense he makes excellent decisions when setting up open teammates. His flaw is his lack of proper handle in the half court and his jumpshot, otherwise making him out to be some kind of scrub is crazy. You don't grade out to be the 3rd best defender at your position as a rookie if you're some kind of "lesser talent"

why he is even being compared to Booker and Russell? Totally different skillsets and players.

Not sure why you keep bringing up Lin fan..So because I'm a Lin fan, I should not post my opinion about RHJ and my thoughts so far as for his potential and his abilities?...Please, let's leave all the anti-Lin stuff out of this threat and simply debate the threat's subject which is RHJ.

This threat is about RHJ and one can make his or her opinion based on what has been seen so far..I really do not need 81 games to form an opinion......I'm not saying RHJ won't be good in the future..All I'm saying is that his ceiling is low in compare to other prospects in his class.....No need for you to catch a fit and be all angry because my opinion doesn't vibe with yours.....I simply haven't seen the great defense and even on the offensive side of the ball, I expected a little bit more even now.

One do not need 81 games to get a sense of a player potential if you're looking at the player's basic skill-set and fundamentals...Scouts gets paid a lot of money to form a quick opinion on various players just on a few films and the skill-set they are currently seeing in the player.

As having an opinion based on just a few regualr season games, Look at Prokorov opinion about Lin before he was signed?..Now how many games had he seen Lin played before this year??...Maybe just the ones when Nets played the Hornets and I can even remember one game where Lin played very well against Brooklyn.....BUT yet, Prokorov made the bold claim that Lin wasn't worth it and was not an upgrade to Jarrett Jack..Now that was his opinion and we debated this, but I certainly didn't act like his opinion should not be made based on what he's seen from Lin which was less than what I've seen from RHJ.....And truth be told, the guy opinion on Lin was based on more flimsy stuff than my opinion of RHJ.

I get it that most fan base always feel their draft pick will eventually pan out, and I hope RHJ does pan out, but for me, what I've seen from him looks like he will need a massive amount of work and him panning out is a bit lower than the other guys drafted in his class...That's just my opinion based on basic observation of his fundamental skill sets.

As for the Booker/Russell comparison, it's solely based on overall potential/current ability and which player is more likely to impact the game overall, moving forward......Both Booker and Russell should be considered as wings...Russell is currently playing some PG but my sense is he'll be a better fit at SG..Russell is 6'5 and Booker is about 6'6, so they can occupy a wing spot, similarly to RHJ at 6'7...So yes, I do believe that moving forward, you can compare the 3...

In the future, RHJ will be battling wings like Booker/Russell for minutes and his improvement on other facet of his game will dictate whether he'll eventually pan out or even stay in the league..As I've stated, I could see him fall out of the NBA in a few years.

[TinmanZBoy]

Don't take this the wrong way, but Lin fans are killing me right now. "so and so doesn't look like an nba player". What??? this has been said about both Rondae and Isiah, two players who are very young and have a lot of work ahead of them. Just tossing young players under the bus. i can only imagine if someone said that about Jeremy Lin at age 21 or younger. i wonder what would be said? ethnicity would come into question, probably. amirite?

how many games in full have you seen this kid play? You're only here because of Jeremy correct? what gives you even a shred of merit to make this statement? you were watching Charlotte Hornet games last year for christ's sake, you know ZILCH about anyone on this roster, good or bad, outside of Jeremy Lin.

i think how he (RHJ) operated last game is how he should operate. defend, rebound, pass, and on offense if the openings are there, take it and make the best out of it.

i'm getting sick of the degradation going on here with some of our Nets players from the folks who aren't really Nets fans. Sorry, I'll be that guy who puts this out there because it has to be said. how can you judge a 21 year old, and say that he doesn't look like an nba player based off of you watching him for a few preseason games and barely a month into the season?

HE IS NOT A FINISHED PRODUCT. What the hell. same thing with whitehead

yet, the same people saying this ****, whine endlessly about how when Jeremy was younger he was degraded, slept on, never given a chance

how hypocritical.

where did you see I was bashing Rondae? just read back my posts in this thread... I understand Rondae's struggle, every play encounter slumps in a long season and Rondae essentially is a rookie... and I applaud coach and Nets are determined to develop him, stretch his games... I have no problem with Rondae's minutes and starting... instead, i think he has to be in the starting lineup for the defense to work...
however, I don't agree with the notion that Rondae's struggle on offense was because of Lin's presence or playing in a system that takes away his game... what's his game on offense at this point anyway... He is just too raw and limited on offense, i agree his is still developing, he has good instincts on both ends and a restless motor, which means he has the potential to be a special player...but he has a long way to go to be a decent player on offense...
You are getting sick because you are sick...
I talk what I saw about the game... I am a lin fan, however I called out Lin too if he did not pass the ball, he missed the asaignment on defense, just check the game tread...
You can talk about how good or impactful Rondae was last season or summer league, I was aware of it, I was/am actually pretty high on him...but I am talking about the first 5 games, which he was beyond bad on offense, it is Not an understatement... last game, it looked like he is getting out of this slump, you just have to hope he will stay in this level...

You guys are making very knee jerk, snap judgments on a player you have not seen enough tape of in the slightest to even offer a valid opinion on him as a player. He was a non factor on offense because he is trying to fit in and find his role. Otherwise he is still out there working hard and doing what is asked of him.

the coaching staff rightfully is working with him and trying to see what works with him and what doesn't. we just saw the same thing with Lopez who looked lost in game 1, and has been pretty damn good since that time. It's too early to start tossing guys under the bus on here.

dude, you are making the knee jerking responses to my post... and generalize me into guys like "Hood30" who makes the real knee jerking judgements... it is annoying..
Rondae's game is not new to me...I've seen enough games last season and summer leagues to know his strengths and weaknesses, I was/am pretty high on him... calling out his offense was really really bad in the first 5 games does not mean giving up on him or benching him...
He ought to be inconsistent on offense since he is just still pretty raw, it does not matter who he plays with...
Am I clear?

[Prokorov]

Not sure why you keep bringing up Lin fan..So because I'm a Lin fan, I should not post my opinion about RHJ and my thoughts so far as for his potential and his abilities?...Please, let's leave all the anti-Lin stuff out of this threat and simply debate the threat's subject which is RHJ.

those has nothing to do with being "anti-lin". and being a lin fan is relevant becomes alot of you guys just throw everyone under the bus the second they have a few rough games or throw the young guys under the bus. we say lin fans because you are not nets fans, or at least were not net fans until the day lin signed, and dont have the knowledge of the team and players having nto watched 82 games a year for the past 5,10, 20 years.

This threat is about RHJ and one can make his or her opinion based on what has been seen so far..I really do not need 81 games to form an opinion......I'm not saying RHJ won't be good in the future..All I'm saying is that his ceiling is low in compare to other prospects in his class.....No need for you to catch a fit and be all angry because my opinion doesn't vibe with yours.....I simply haven't seen the great defense and even on the offensive side of the ball, I expected a little bit more even now.

you can form an opinion after preseason and a handful of games... but if you do that is a very ill formed opinion. as are all opinions based of miniscule sample sized.

As having an opinion based on just a few regualr season games, Look at Prokorov opinion about Lin before he was signed?..Now how many games had he seen Lin played before this year??...Maybe just the ones when Nets played the Hornets and I can even remember one game where Lin played very well against Brooklyn.....BUT yet, Prokorov made the bold claim that Lin wasn't worth it and was not an upgrade to Jarrett Jack..Now that was his opinion and we debated this, but I certainly didn't act like his opinion should not be made based on what he's seen from Lin which was less than what I've seen from RHJ.....And truth be told, the guy opinion on Lin was based on more flimsy stuff than my opinion of RHJ.

I saw lins enitre stint on the knicks. and even then.... my opinion was based on black and white facts, not statistics or conjecture. i basically pointed out he couldnt hold down a starting job in 5 or 6 spots and that he is not a proven starter. that was fact, not opinion.

I get it that most fan base always feel their draft pick will eventually pan out, and I hope RHJ does pan out, but for me, what I've seen from him looks like he will need a massive amount of work and him panning out is a bit lower than the other guys drafted in his class...That's just my opinion based on basic observation of his fundamental skill sets.

what you've seen isnt relevent since the sample is so small... and im the biggest RHJ detractor on this board(among real net fans). I was for trading him for the right price and have constantly said he doesnt have star potential.

As for the Booker/Russell comparison, it's solely based on overall potential/current ability and which player is more likely to impact the game overall, moving forward......Both Booker and Russell should be considered as wings...Russell is currently playing some PG but my sense is he'll be a better fit at SG..Russell is 6'5 and Booker is about 6'6, so they can occupy a wing spot, similarly to RHJ at 6'7...So yes, I do believe that moving forward, you can compare the 3...

based off their careers so far RHJ has had a much bigger impact.... RAPM/RPM/WS/DWS all in his favor. he sucks offensively but has been so good defensively it makes up for it. if he can keep it up or improve on defense is speculation. but to this point its a no contest defensively.

In the future, RHJ will be battling wings like Booker/Russell for minutes and his improvement on other facet of his game will dictate whether he'll eventually pan out or even stay in the league..As I've stated, I could see him fall out of the NBA in a few years.

you have no clue what you are talking about. elite defensive wings dont "fall out of the league". there is a reason tony allen still has a job

[hood30]

where did you see I was bashing Rondae? just read back my posts in this thread... I understand Rondae's struggle, every play encounter slumps in a long season and Rondae essentially is a rookie... and I applaud coach and Nets are determined to develop him, stretch his games... I have no problem with Rondae's minutes and starting... instead, i think he has to be in the starting lineup for the defense to work...
however, I don't agree with the notion that Rondae's struggle on offense was because of Lin's presence or playing in a system that takes away his game... what's his game on offense at this point anyway... He is just too raw and limited on offense, i agree his is still developing, he has good instincts on both ends and a restless motor, which means he has the potential to be a special player...but he has a long way to go to be a decent player on offense...
You are getting sick because you are sick...
I talk what I saw about the game... I am a lin fan, however I called out Lin too if he did not pass the ball, he missed the asaignment on defense, just check the game tread...
You can talk about how good or impactful Rondae was last season or summer league, I was aware of it, I was/am actually pretty high on him...but I am talking about the first 5 games, which he was beyond bad on offense, it is Not an understatement... last game, it looked like he is getting out of this slump, you just have to hope he will stay in this level...

You guys are making very knee jerk, snap judgments on a player you have not seen enough tape of in the slightest to even offer a valid opinion on him as a player. He was a non factor on offense because he is trying to fit in and find his role. Otherwise he is still out there working hard and doing what is asked of him.

the coaching staff rightfully is working with him and trying to see what works with him and what doesn't. we just saw the same thing with Lopez who looked lost in game 1, and has been pretty damn good since that time. It's too early to start tossing guys under the bus on here.

dude, you are making the knee jerking responses to my post... and generalize me into guys like "Hood30" who makes the real knee jerking judgements... it is annoying..
Rondae's game is not new to me...I've seen enough games last season and summer leagues to know his strengths and weaknesses, I was/am pretty high on him... calling out his offense was really really bad in the first 5 games does not mean giving up on him or benching him...
He ought to be inconsistent on offense since he is just still pretty raw, it does not matter who he plays with...
Am I clear?

How about you ignore me if my post is annoying to you...I certainly do not want my opinion to be generalized into yours and I don't even think you're a lin fan to began with since you've made a lot of statements that sound pretty trollish when it comes to Lin and his current ability.

[Prokorov]

You guys are making very knee jerk, snap judgments on a player you have not seen enough tape of in the slightest to even offer a valid opinion on him as a player. He was a non factor on offense because he is trying to fit in and find his role. Otherwise he is still out there working hard and doing what is asked of him.

the coaching staff rightfully is working with him and trying to see what works with him and what doesn't. we just saw the same thing with Lopez who looked lost in game 1, and has been pretty damn good since that time. It's too early to start tossing guys under the bus on here.

dude, you are making the knee jerking responses to my post... and generalize me into guys like "Hood30" who makes the real knee jerking judgements... it is annoying..
Rondae's game is not new to me...I've seen enough games last season and summer leagues to know his strengths and weaknesses, I was/am pretty high on him... calling out his offense was really really bad in the first 5 games does not mean giving up on him or benching him...
He ought to be inconsistent on offense since he is just still pretty raw, it does not matter who he plays with...
Am I clear?

How about you ignore me if my post is annoying to you...I certainly do not want my opinion to be generalized into yours and I don't even think you're a lin fan to began with since you've made a lot of statements that sound pretty trollish when it comes to Lin and his current ability.

or... maybe you can stick to the Lin thread which is designated for lin worship so the real net fans dont have to filter through it all

[hood30]

dude, you are making the knee jerking responses to my post... and generalize me into guys like "Hood30" who makes the real knee jerking judgements... it is annoying..
Rondae's game is not new to me...I've seen enough games last season and summer leagues to know his strengths and weaknesses, I was/am pretty high on him... calling out his offense was really really bad in the first 5 games does not mean giving up on him or benching him...
He ought to be inconsistent on offense since he is just still pretty raw, it does not matter who he plays with...
Am I clear?

How about you ignore me if my post is annoying to you...I certainly do not want my opinion to be generalized into yours and I don't even think you're a lin fan to began with since you've made a lot of statements that sound pretty trollish when it comes to Lin and his current ability.

or... maybe you can stick to the Lin thread which is designated for lin worship so the real net fans dont have to filter through it all

My opinion is about RHJ, so I see no reason to just stick to the Lin threat...Unless you think I have no right to post about another Nets players because I'm a Lin fan.

You're welcomed to debate it or ignore it..I really don't care...Your little fit about the Lin signing will not change a thing..You have issue with my opinion about RHJ, take it to the moderator..As far as I know, I haven't broken any forum laws..It's just you not agreeing with my opinion about a Nets player...Just like I don't agree with your opinion about Bojan or Lopez or how much should the Nets prioritize winning games in favor of development..

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[Prokorov]

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should we still send him to the D-league cause he is hurting our championship aspirations?

what was most impressive last night was his defense and rebounding. his scoring honestly was all about just be aggressive and being determined to get a shot up at the rim. not something id be super encouraged about sustainability wise. alot of those were ugly and near turnovers... and at one point he did turn it over a few times...

but this is how you get better...you dont improve as a ball handler without handling the ball in real game situations.

[Mystical Apples]

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[Mystical Apples]

Since game 4 and the irrational RHJ hate (Nets 3-2):

TS: 65%
DREB: 20.9%
DefRtg: 98.8
OffRtg: 115.0
Assist/TO: 2.75
ASST Ratio: 31.4
ASST 2nd: 1.0
ASST PC: 12.5
On/Off: +25.2 (lol)

[jbeachboy]

i love aggressive and confident rondae, really showed. i know suns defenders suck but this was great to see.

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should we still send him to the D-league cause he is hurting our championship aspirations?

what was most impressive last night was his defense and rebounding. his scoring honestly was all about just be aggressive and being determined to get a shot up at the rim. not something id be super encouraged about sustainability wise. alot of those were ugly and near turnovers... and at one point he did turn it over a few times...

but this is how you get better...you dont improve as a ball handler without handling the ball in real game situations.

The way he played is the way he should approach each game offensively. Look to attack from inside the arc, get to the line (excellent FT shooter) and look to make plays for other guys, he had a few nice dishes last night. If Kenny told him to get inside like that and attack, it was another brilliant coaching move from him because it plays to his strengths. Making this kid a 3pt shooter is a waste of time. the shot may or may not come but he's got to develop something to be a factor on offense one way or another and i think within inside the arc, drawing fouls, getting to the line, and making plays is where he'll find his meal ticket.

The thing will be, once Lin comes back, is how to balance RHJ's aggressiveness with Lin's. It will help dial RHJ back a bit from being too over aggressive but we don't want him to be like how he was in the first few games being passive and non assertive on offense. He has to make his presence felt on both ends.

Going to be interesting to see if Kenny lets him get heavy minutes matched up against CP3.

[MrDollarBills]

Since game 4 and the irrational RHJ hate (Nets 3-2):

TS: 65%
DREB: 20.9%
DefRtg: 98.8
OffRtg: 115.0
Assist/TO: 2.75
ASST Ratio: 31.4
ASST 2nd: 1.0
ASST PC: 12.5
On/Off: +25.2 (lol)

this is the RHJ we were waiting for.

this is why people got defensive when non Net fans start talking trash about this kid. If you haven't been around enough to see what he does, save the negative commentary. Like this:

Even in the Brooklyn games, whenever the game is close, RHJ is out of the game, specially if Brooklyn is behind and need point to catch up.

Saying that, RHJ did have a good game against Charlotte and he'll have to keep that up to be taken seriously..So far' I've been massively underwhelmed by his basketball fundamentals and IQ.

can't watch Charlotte Hornets games all last year and then come on here with all of these random hot takes on players you know nothing about.