The Cyclone - The Isaiah Whitehead Thread

ignisyon · Post #201 » by **ignisyon** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:01 pm

He's gotten a lot better at passing off of the pick and roll and making better decisions, which is great. His overall decision making has been quicker too recently.

But I do think Whitehead may have to tinker with his shooting form a little. His shot selection isn't that bad, but there are some times where he absolutely bricks open looks and other times where contested shots look smooth.

Prokorov · Post #202 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:21 pm

Whitehead is sitll learning to be a PG. at seton hall he wasnt really a point gaurd he was just the only guy who could actually dribble shoot or score. so he always had the rock

Paradise · Post #203 » by **Paradise** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:09 pm

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624 · Post #204 » by **624** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:45 am

What do you guys think Whitehead 's ceiling is? I'm thinking Oladipo

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Dr Positivity · Post #205 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 6:44 am

624 wrote:What do you guys think Whitehead 's ceiling is? I'm thinking Oladipo

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I have been tracking Whitehead all year cause he rated high in my draft model, one thing that could help him is he could end up being a good shooter. He projected as one of the better shooters in the draft for me cause although his 36.5% in college was good not great, it was on a really high volume (8.1 attempts per 40 minutes) with a solid 76% FT. This year he's been tracking upwards, he's at 33% from 3 for the year but 36% in 2017 and 40% since the ASB. His FT% has followed a similar trend at 84% for the year, 89% in 2017 and 93% after the ASB. Based on this it wouldn't be that surprising if he turned into a 36%+ player

His advanced stats for the year are pretty horrible so I'm not going to say he's a guarantee to be good, but I think his upside is pretty high just cause he's shown potential to be a good driver to the basket (I believe he gets to the basket the most of rookie guards), he has potential to shoot 3s, he has potential to defend, he has potential to get assists, there's not a lot that you can say he for sure he won't be able to do. But he wouldn't be the first player who couldn't translate tools into production

MrDollarBills · Post #206 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:21 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
624 wrote:What do you guys think Whitehead 's ceiling is? I'm thinking Oladipo

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I have been tracking Whitehead all year cause he rated high in my draft model, one thing that could help him is he could end up being a good shooter. He projected as one of the better shooters in the draft for me cause although his 36.5% in college was good not great, it was on a really high volume (8.1 attempts per 40 minutes) with a solid 76% FT. This year he's been tracking upwards, he's at 33% from 3 for the year but 36% in 2017 and 40% since the ASB. His FT% has followed a similar trend at 84% for the year, 89% in 2017 and 93% after the ASB. Based on this it wouldn't be that surprising if he turned into a 36%+ player

His advanced stats for the year are pretty horrible so I'm not going to say he's a guarantee to be good, but I think his upside is pretty high just cause he's shown potential to be a good driver to the basket (I believe he gets to the basket the most of rookie guards), he has potential to shoot 3s, he has potential to defend, he has potential to get assists, there's not a lot that you can say he for sure he won't be able to do. But he wouldn't be the first player who couldn't translate tools into production

I think that he is definitely on his way to being a 3+D combo guard. But his driving ability is something that is underrated and underused. I think he has the chops to be a decent scorer as well in the future.

sprost · Post #207 » by **sprost** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:59 pm

I think Whitehead finally won me over last game.

I continue with my opinion that he doesn't show me anything in potential that he'll ever be, or should be considered worth investment in as, a starting NBA PG due to decisionmaking/ballhandling-handles/overall BB IQ...
But he played like a champ after mistakes and showed, as much as I think athleticism is oft overrated, that his athleticism/attitude (dare I say grit)/driving ability etc. does indeed make a difference and perhaps he could be someday that starting NBA SG/quality 6th man.

2k15 · Post #208 » by **2k15** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 6:27 pm

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MrDollarBills · Post #209 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 7:12 pm

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kamaze · Post #210 » by **kamaze** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 9:14 pm

sprost wrote:I think Whitehead finally won me over last game.

I continue with my opinion that he doesn't show me anything in potential that he'll ever be, or should be considered worth investment in as, a starting NBA PG due to decisionmaking/ballhandling-handles/overall BB IQ...
But he played like a champ after mistakes and showed, as much as I think athleticism is oft overrated, that his athleticism/attitude (dare I say grit)/driving ability etc. does indeed make a difference and perhaps he could be someday that starting NBA SG/quality 6th man.

He's not a point guard he's a combo guard the team could utilize him best off the bench with another ball handler. The same with Lin in the starting lineup.

shakendfries · Post #211 » by **shakendfries** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 11:38 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
624 wrote:What do you guys think Whitehead 's ceiling is? I'm thinking Oladipo

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I have been tracking Whitehead all year cause he rated high in my draft model, one thing that could help him is he could end up being a good shooter. He projected as one of the better shooters in the draft for me cause although his 36.5% in college was good not great, it was on a really high volume (8.1 attempts per 40 minutes) with a solid 76% FT. This year he's been tracking upwards, he's at 33% from 3 for the year but 36% in 2017 and 40% since the ASB. His FT% has followed a similar trend at 84% for the year, 89% in 2017 and 93% after the ASB. Based on this it wouldn't be that surprising if he turned into a 36%+ player

His advanced stats for the year are pretty horrible so I'm not going to say he's a guarantee to be good, but I think his upside is pretty high just cause he's shown potential to be a good driver to the basket (I believe he gets to the basket the most of rookie guards), he has potential to shoot 3s, he has potential to defend, he has potential to get assists, there's not a lot that you can say he for sure he won't be able to do. But he wouldn't be the first player who couldn't translate tools into production

I made the argument earlier this season that in terms of ceiling I could see peak Brandon Roy as Whitehead's ceiling.

shakendfries wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:What do people think about iHead's ceiling?

There was a big discussion about whether KA should've allowed iHead to take those FTs in the Clippers games, and the importance of development.

But I'm not sure whether iHead is worth developing. He shot 37% and 38% in his two years at Seton Hall -- I can't think of another player who shot sub-40% in college and became a decent NBA player.

Certainly, Isaiah's defense seems solid. So is his ceiling someone like Patrick Beverley or Marcus Smart?

I think Whitehead's ceiling could be as high as peak Brandon Roy

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Brandon is not so different from Tim Duncan in that he plays the game with strong fundamentals. He may not be flashy, but he always manages to get the job done.

While Roy is average in the speed department, he's a crafty player who uses his high basketball I.Q. to make plays.

Even though Roy is probably better known for his deadly jumper, he can do it all on offense. Lacking the quick first-step of some of the elite slashers in the NBA, Roy uses deliberate moves to fake or lull opponents as he changes gears and passes them by.

With great vision capable of spotting the smallest lanes to exploit, defenses cannot afford to sleep on him or he will make them pay.

When defenses collapse on him, Brandon patiently finds routes to maneuver around as he attacks the basket. Once near the rim, Roy is proficient with both hands and is creative enough to score with a mixture of moves.

I could see the same from Whitehead. He has solid PG fundamentals in terms of finding his teammates. As he improves on his shot creation & finishing at an NBA level, I don't think it'll be long till he finds the range like he did at Seton Hall.

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With the way the Marks is building the team with bigs capable of spacing the floor, Whitehead's potential is in his ability to create for himself and others with his modest athleticism as a slasher. And there's no better example than that of Brandon Roy.

Post #212 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 11:40 pm

Whoa, peak Brandon Roy was a boss who went toe to toe with Kobe. Let's pump the brakes on that ceiling. We're just happy that he was/is top 10 on the rookie ladder lol.

shakendfries · Post #213 » by **shakendfries** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 11:47 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:Whoa, peak Brandon Roy was a boss who went toe to toe with Kobe. Let's pump the brakes on that ceiling. We're just happy that he was/is top 10 on the rookie ladder lol.

Roy Tarpley · Post #214 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 12:35 am

Yeah, I see no basis for comparing IW to Roy. I still think Marcus Smart, Patrick Beverley, or Randy Foye is the peak ceiling. Compare Foye's numbers to Whitehead's, they're very similar.

Paradise · Post #215 » by **Paradise** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 12:40 am

NyCeEvO wrote:Whoa, peak Brandon Roy was a boss who went toe to toe with Kobe. Let's pump the brakes on that ceiling. We're just happy that he was/is top 10 on the rookie ladder lol.

He's got some of his moves atleast.

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MrDollarBills · Post #216 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 1:14 am

Comparing him to Roy is a massive comparison. Roy was a top 25 player before injuries cut his career short.

Prokorov · Post #217 » by **Prokorov** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 1:39 pm

whitehead is fitting in nicely. he now has a mroe defined role and less on his shoulders and it is showing. he can just come in and play hard with that chip on his shoulder and be aggressive for 10-15 mintues a night. thats the roll he can thrive in

All Nets · Post #218 » by **All Nets** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 2:27 pm

Whitehead had a nice spin move finish on one of the ATL bigs last night. His ability to finish has improved quite a bit. But his awareness needs to improve. There's no stat out there but I'm pretty sure he's up there for offensive fouls on the Nets. If the lane isn't there for him, he needs to either kick back out or trust his mid-range.

kamaze · Post #219 » by **kamaze** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 2:35 pm

All Nets wrote:Whitehead had a nice spin move finish on one of the ATL bigs last night. His ability to finish has improved quite a bit. But his awareness needs to improve. There's no stat out there but I'm pretty sure he's up there for offensive fouls on the Nets. If the lane isn't there for him, he needs to either kick back out or trust his mid-range.

He's a rookie damn we're some tough critics.
Can you blame him for trying to make something happen? He's at his best attacking the lane.

Paradise · Post #220 » by **Paradise** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:34 am

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