[NY Knicks Trade Thread Pt2] - (Other Threads Locked/Merged)

[darthkiller]

worst case scenerio:

Amare+Melo to Atlanta for Josh Smith,Joe Johnson,Marvin Williams.

Chandler
Jsmoove
Williams
JJ
Lin


Idk, that's better than this current team at least, i mean at least that's like the upgraded version of the hawks (Chandler>>Zaza, LIn>> Teague). And the Hawks got the 4th seed and would be 2-0 on celtics if smith didnt get hurt.

[seren]

Deal with Orlando: Hedo+Big Baby for Amare.

[MKCATL]

I know I'll prolly get ridiculed but can Lin be dealt for a lottery pick then sign nash to the mle? The way our roster is set we are sort of in a win now mode. I'm really not too up on the draft so I don't know if we'd be able to get anyone that would help. Just an idea.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

I know I'll prolly get ridiculed but can Lin be dealt for a lottery pick then sign nash to the mle? The way our roster is set we are sort of in a win now mode. I'm really not too up on the draft so I don't know if we'd be able to get anyone that would help. Just an idea.

How is NY trading Lin? Pretty sure it'd have to be a S&T, and there goes the MLE.

[lleepar]

I know I'll prolly get ridiculed but can Lin be dealt for a lottery pick then sign nash to the mle? The way our roster is set we are sort of in a win now mode. I'm really not too up on the draft so I don't know if we'd be able to get anyone that would help. Just an idea.

Wouldn't the Knicks have to re-sign Lin before they could trade him? When does his current contract expire? Is it July 1?

[Dr. Detfink]

Lin's market value took a hit when he was exposed by NJ, Miami, Chicago. He's a good kid but he's not talented enough to give the Knicks some cred.

[Woodsanity]

Lin's market value took a hit when he was exposed by NJ, Miami, Chicago. He's a good kid but he's not talented enough to give the Knicks some cred.

ok. Only team he played poorly against out of those 3 was the Heat.
Unless you think 15 points, 8 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals, and 3 TOs is bad(Bulls). Lin is basically a rookie and will get better. Unless we can get Nash or trade Stat + Lin for Deron he will be the starting PG(neither case is likely though).

[Getouttahea22]

Lin's market value took a hit when he was exposed by NJ, Miami, Chicago. He's a good kid but he's not talented enough to give the Knicks some cred.

ok. Only team he played poorly against out of those 3 was the Heat.
Unless you think 15 points, 8 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals, and 3 TOs is bad(Bulls). Lin is basically a rookie and will get better. Unless we can get Nash or trade Stat + Lin for Deron he will be the starting PG(neither case is likely though).

And wasn't the Heat game the 2nd game of a back to back while the Heat had a day off? Anyways, I think Lin can improve, he's what, 23? Also, he retooled his shot last off season (like Fields...but I guess that's a different story) to try to improve it. Did you see what happened to his FT shooting towards the end of the season? I think if he has another off season to get comfortable with his shot (mid range and 3s), it could improve, he seems like the kind of person who would put the effort in. Just imagine Lin with a knock down jumper. Yikes.

[R-DAWG]

Amare, TD, and Jordan for Okafor, Jack and Ariza. We now have the ability to play big with Okafor at the 4 and Melo at the 3 or small with Melo at the 4 and Ariza at the 3. Jarret Jack, although just an average NBA PG, is a huge upgrade over Baron and Bibby and can either start or come off the bench.

These 3 players contracts also gives NY flexibility in smaller trades moving forward: Jack (5.5m expiring), Ariza (2 yrs, $14m). Okafor's deal is a mess and while he is a nice player, he is a mid level player with 2 years and $26m left on his contract and is injury prone. Having him and Chandler on the court with Chandler would make us one of the better defensive teams, especially with Shumpert and Ariza on the perimeter. Jack is a tough defender as well.

New Orleans gets a marketable name to combine with 2 top 10 picks and hopefully a resigned Eric Gordon. They will also have $8-10m in cap space after the trade. They could turn into an exciting young team and amare's contract will expire before the rookie's get their 2nd contracts.

[melo mvp 15]

Amare, TD, and Jordan for Okafor, Jack and Ariza. We now have the ability to play big with Okafor at the 4 and Melo at the 3 or small with Melo at the 4 and Ariza at the 3. Jarret Jack, although just an average NBA PG, is a huge upgrade over Baron and Bibby and can either start or come off the bench.

These 3 players contracts also gives NY flexibility in smaller trades moving forward: Jack (5.5m expiring), Ariza (2 yrs, $14m). Okafor's deal is a mess and while he is a nice player, he is a mid level player with 2 years and $26m left on his contract and is injury prone. Having him and Chandler on the court with Chandler would make us one of the better defensive teams, especially with Shumpert and Ariza on the perimeter. Jack is a tough defender as well.

New Orleans gets a marketable name to combine with 2 top 10 picks and hopefully a resigned Eric Gordon. They will also have $8-10m in cap space after the trade. They could turn into an exciting young team and amare's contract will expire before the rookie's get their 2nd contracts.

Wow. I freaking love this! Too bad New Orleans would be moronic to trade for Amar'e. I don't care how rich Benson is... with that roster you don't really want a guy making MAX money when you have zero shot at the playoffs.

Then again, they would be dumping around equal value in smaller contracts. And I still think Okafor at $13 mil for two years is A LOT worse than Amar'e at $20 mil for 3 years. Although Ariza + Okafor does equal Amar'e's contract minus one year.

I also think that NO likes the option of amnestying one of Ariza/Okafor eventually, if they trade them for Amar'e they can't use it.

But thanks for making me drool, imagine getting 3 legit rotation players for Amar'e! Not only that, but at 3 positions we need: back up combo guard (Jack would play 25+ minutes), back up swing man (Ariza would play around 20-25 min) and back or starting big (Okafor could play 20-30 min). I think NO's old management would've done something this dumb, but not the new management who has done a pretty decent job at getting cheap, young players.

Also it's worth noting that New Orleans won't have any cap space if they re-sign Gordon and/or Kaman. They have most like a top 5 and a top 10 pick (theirs and Minny's). Imagine adding a guy like MKG or Barnes and then Lillard or Marshall.

[R-DAWG]

If New Orleans did this trade and signed Gordon to a deal starting at $12m annually they would 12 players under contract (including their draft picks) for about $51.5m. The Cap is projected to be between $58-60m. Another option for them would be to not decline anyone's bird rights allowing them to re-sign Kaman and Belinelli, sign and trade Carl Landry, and have the mid level exception to use this summer.

Kaman/Smith
Stoudemire/Ayon
MKG/Henry
Gordon/Belinelli
Marshall/Vasquez

That team has a lot of talent and can compete with the Denvers, Houstons, and Utah's of the western conference for a final playoff spot. The upside for New Orleans is the excitement a healthy Amare Stoudemire and Eric Gordon with 2 high ceiling rookies. They will be able to build buzz around the franchise and the new owner.

[melo mvp 15]

If New Orleans did this trade and signed Gordon to a deal starting at $12m annually they would 12 players under contract (including their draft picks) for about $51.5m. The Cap is projected to be between $58-60m. Another option for them would be to not decline anyone's bird rights allowing them to re-sign Kaman and Belinelli, sign and trade Carl Landry, and have the mid level exception to use this summer.

Kaman/Smith
Stoudemire/Ayon
MKG/Henry
Gordon/Belinelli
Marshall/Vasquez

That team has a lot of talent and can compete with the Denvers, Houstons, and Utah's of the western conference for a final playoff spot. The upside for New Orleans is the excitement a healthy Amare Stoudemire and Eric Gordon with 2 high ceiling rookies. They will be able to build buzz around the franchise and the new owner.

But the problem is do you want to have two rookies but have over half the cap tied up to two very injury prone starters? No. My point is, there's a reason that I love this trade for us soo much... we break one massive hard to trade contract into 3 not good, but better contracts who can all contribute. Sure, if Amar'e is healthy and committed, he's worth his contract and worth a lot more than Okafor, Ariza and Jack... but that if is massive.

[R-DAWG]

So maybe if Gordon leaves they will take a chance on Amare.

[Dr. Detfink]

Lin's market value took a hit when he was exposed by NJ, Miami, Chicago. He's a good kid but he's not talented enough to give the Knicks some cred.

ok. Only team he played poorly against out of those 3 was the Heat.
Unless you think 15 points, 8 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals, and 3 TOs is bad(Bulls). Lin is basically a rookie and will get better. Unless we can get Nash or trade Stat + Lin for Deron he will be the starting PG(neither case is likely though).

You're missing the point. Why would anyone help the Knicks? No they wouldn't. If anything the Knicks have been the BEST franchise to swindle.

Other teams would want the BEST deal possible....but again, why would you give up for Lin when Nash, Kidd, Deron Williams are out there after this post season?

Ok...say they can't afford any of those guys...

Then WHY would you give up talent for a guy that hasn't proven to improve the Knicks beyond .500?

Like I said, talented...NOT enough of a difference maker to give the Knicks what they need to improve.

[Woodsanity]

Lin's market value took a hit when he was exposed by NJ, Miami, Chicago. He's a good kid but he's not talented enough to give the Knicks some cred.

ok. Only team he played poorly against out of those 3 was the Heat.
Unless you think 15 points, 8 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals, and 3 TOs is bad(Bulls). Lin is basically a rookie and will get better. Unless we can get Nash or trade Stat + Lin for Deron he will be the starting PG(neither case is likely though).

You're missing the point. Why would anyone help the Knicks? No they wouldn't. If anything the Knicks have been the BEST franchise to swindle.

Other teams would want the BEST deal possible....but again, why would you give up for Lin when Nash, Kidd, Deron Williams are out there after this post season?

Ok...say they can't afford any of those guys...

Then WHY would you give up talent for a guy that hasn't proven to improve the Knicks beyond .500?

Like I said, talented...NOT enough of a difference maker to give the Knicks what they need to improve.

You do realize that D. Will is considering leaving the Nets right? Lin + Stat is better than the Nets being left with nothing if D. Will decides to walk. Also I fail to see your point. How can you expect a bench warmer to lead an 8-15 team with a crap coach and basically a bunch of role players as starters over .500? Getting 7 straight wins even against mostly mediocre teams was impressive considering we were starting JJ and Walker. I guess he isn't a difference maker though since we wouldn't be in the playoffs if he didn't play and because your imaginary PGs we can get at MLE are infinitely better.