[NY Knicks Trade Thread Pt2] - (Other Threads Locked/Merged)

[spaceballer]

Lin can't be traded. You can't sign and trade him because we'd need to use the MLE to sign him.

Is there a rule that says you can't use the MLE to S&T?

Yes, it's a rule.

The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or the Disabled Player exception (see question number 25).

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

[UnderdogKnicks]

I'll honestly deal Amare for Ben Gordon and Charlie Sheen, shorter contracts and it solves our 3 point shooter SG problem next year. They get their star player for 2 bad contracts it's fair enough. If it were up to me though I'll trade both Amare, Melo and maybe even Tyson to start over.

[soupfly]

Amare for Deron Williams (Sign and Trade) and the Knicks will not match Nets' offer sheet to Jeremy Lin. Of course this is all contingent on Jeremy Lin wanting to go to Brooklyn.

I would essentially be an Amare + Lin for DWill swap although Lin will technically not be traded.

Knicks do this in a heart beat for all the obvious reasons. Plus they save their MLE and can use it to find a new starting power forward.

Nets have to do this because they can't lose DWill for nothing and I doubt he's going to re-sign with the current roster of the Nets. Amare is a huge risk but the Nets are one of the few teams that are in a position where they have to take that risk (new arena, need to be relevant, need star power) and can also afford to take the risk. Plus they get JLin who will be even more important in terms of making the Nets relevant. Starting lineup of Lin, Brooks, Wallace, Amare, Lopez with Humphries, Morrow, Green, Farmar...won't play alot of defense but that's a play-off team.

It makes sense for both teams in my opinion. Don't know if DWill or Lin would want to swap teams but would be something in NY if that happened.

[Woodsanity]

Amare for Deron Williams (Sign and Trade) and the Knicks will not match Nets' offer sheet to Jeremy Lin. Of course this is all contingent on Jeremy Lin wanting to go to Brooklyn.

I would essentially be an Amare + Lin for DWill swap although Lin will technically not be traded.

Knicks do this in a heart beat for all the obvious reasons. Plus they save their MLE and can use it to find a new starting power forward.

Nets have to do this because they can't lose DWill for nothing and I doubt he's going to re-sign with the current roster of the Nets. Amare is a huge risk but the Nets are one of the few teams that are in a position where they have to take that risk (new arena, need to be relevant, need star power) and can also afford to take the risk. Plus they get JLin who will be even more important in terms of making the Nets relevant. Starting lineup of Lin, Brooks, Wallace, Amare, Lopez with Humphries, Morrow, Green, Farmar...won't play alot of defense but that's a play-off team.

It makes sense for both teams in my opinion. Don't know if DWill or Lin would want to swap teams but would be something in NY if that happened.

This would be a dream come true but it probably won't happen since Stat has no trade value.

[StephNYKurry]

Best Case Scenario:

Amare For D.Will

Next Best Case Scenario:

Amare for D.Lee and Biedrins

Most realistic Scenarios:

Amare for Jack and Okafor
Amare for Redick, Richardson, and Big Baby
Amare for Jimmer, Salmons, and Chuck Hayes

Amare for Fredette,

[crazybranman360]

Landry Fields S&T for Luke Ridnour?

Either he'll be a solid backup PG that can play some 2 or can start if Lin leaves.

Minny needs wing help, has too many PG's, and Fields would be a great fit next to Rubio

[JBreezeNY]

Amare for Deron Williams (Sign and Trade) and the Knicks will not match Nets' offer sheet to Jeremy Lin. Of course this is all contingent on Jeremy Lin wanting to go to Brooklyn.

I would essentially be an Amare + Lin for DWill swap although Lin will technically not be traded.

Knicks do this in a heart beat for all the obvious reasons. Plus they save their MLE and can use it to find a new starting power forward.

Nets have to do this because they can't lose DWill for nothing and I doubt he's going to re-sign with the current roster of the Nets. Amare is a huge risk but the Nets are one of the few teams that are in a position where they have to take that risk (new arena, need to be relevant, need star power) and can also afford to take the risk. Plus they get JLin who will be even more important in terms of making the Nets relevant. Starting lineup of Lin, Brooks, Wallace, Amare, Lopez with Humphries, Morrow, Green, Farmar...won't play alot of defense but that's a play-off team.

It makes sense for both teams in my opinion. Don't know if DWill or Lin would want to swap teams but would be something in NY if that happened.

I love this move because it makes so much sense for both clubs.

We need that PG that will help us in our Win Now mode mentality & Lin will still be in NY only thing is he'll be entering Brooklyn. Do you know how much Brooklyn can use the promoting & advertisements on Linsanity? To even add more to that the Nyets are a young team already & they're pretty much in rebuild mode if Deron leaves. With this move they won't have to keep worrying if Deron will leave & if he does leave who will fill his spot.

If Dolan & Prok don't do this because of personal ego's then that would be pretty sad.

[spaceballer]

Amare for Deron Williams (Sign and Trade) and the Knicks will not match Nets' offer sheet to Jeremy Lin. Of course this is all contingent on Jeremy Lin wanting to go to Brooklyn.

I would essentially be an Amare + Lin for DWill swap although Lin will technically not be traded.

Knicks do this in a heart beat for all the obvious reasons. Plus they save their MLE and can use it to find a new starting power forward.

Nets have to do this because they can't lose DWill for nothing and I doubt he's going to re-sign with the current roster of the Nets. Amare is a huge risk but the Nets are one of the few teams that are in a position where they have to take that risk (new arena, need to be relevant, need star power) and can also afford to take the risk. Plus they get JLin who will be even more important in terms of making the Nets relevant. Starting lineup of Lin, Brooks, Wallace, Amare, Lopez with Humphries, Morrow, Green, Farmar...won't play alot of defense but that's a play-off team.

It makes sense for both teams in my opinion. Don't know if DWill or Lin would want to swap teams but would be something in NY if that happened.

I love this move because it makes so much sense for both clubs.

We need that PG that will help us in our Win Now mode mentality & Lin will still be in NY only thing is he'll be entering Brooklyn. Do you know how much Brooklyn can use the promoting & advertisements on Linsanity? To even add more to that the Nyets are a young team already & they're pretty much in rebuild mode if Deron leaves. With this move they won't have to keep worrying if Deron will leave & if he does leave who will fill his spot.

If Dolan & Prok don't do this because of personal ego's then that would be pretty sad.

It's not ego (mostly), but money. Dolan/MSG stands to make more money from Linsanity than from winning a championship with Deron. MSG probably made more money from Linsanity than the Mavs did from winning the championship. Dolan is legally required to perform his fiduciary responsibility of maximizing profit over winning. Otherwise, he leaves himself open to a class-action shareholder lawsuit for abrogating his fiduciary responsibilities, because MSG is a publicly traded company and not privately owned by Dolan.

[Pharmcat]

Landry Fields S&T for Luke Ridnour?

Either he'll be a solid backup PG that can play some 2 or can start if Lin leaves.

Minny needs wing help, has too many PG's, and Fields would be a great fit next to Rubio

id prefer s and t for barea

[R-DAWG]

Amare for Deron Williams (Sign and Trade) and the Knicks will not match Nets' offer sheet to Jeremy Lin. Of course this is all contingent on Jeremy Lin wanting to go to Brooklyn.

I would essentially be an Amare + Lin for DWill swap although Lin will technically not be traded.

Knicks do this in a heart beat for all the obvious reasons. Plus they save their MLE and can use it to find a new starting power forward.

Nets have to do this because they can't lose DWill for nothing and I doubt he's going to re-sign with the current roster of the Nets. Amare is a huge risk but the Nets are one of the few teams that are in a position where they have to take that risk (new arena, need to be relevant, need star power) and can also afford to take the risk. Plus they get JLin who will be even more important in terms of making the Nets relevant. Starting lineup of Lin, Brooks, Wallace, Amare, Lopez with Humphries, Morrow, Green, Farmar...won't play alot of defense but that's a play-off team.

It makes sense for both teams in my opinion. Don't know if DWill or Lin would want to swap teams but would be something in NY if that happened.

I love this move because it makes so much sense for both clubs.

We need that PG that will help us in our Win Now mode mentality & Lin will still be in NY only thing is he'll be entering Brooklyn. Do you know how much Brooklyn can use the promoting & advertisements on Linsanity? To even add more to that the Nyets are a young team already & they're pretty much in rebuild mode if Deron leaves. With this move they won't have to keep worrying if Deron will leave & if he does leave who will fill his spot.

If Dolan & Prok don't do this because of personal ego's then that would be pretty sad.

It's not ego (mostly), but money. Dolan/MSG stands to make more money from Linsanity than from winning a championship with Deron. MSG probably made more money from Linsanity than the Mavs did from winning the championship. Dolan is legally required to perform his fiduciary responsibility of maximizing profit over winning. Otherwise, he leaves himself open to a class-action shareholder lawsuit for abrogating his fiduciary responsibilities, because MSG is a publicly traded company and not privately owned by Dolan.

let's start shares so we can eventually sue dolan and be forced to replace him with a competent basketabll man

[R-DAWG]

Here's a trade idea: Steve Nash could convince Suns mgmt to take a chance to bringing back Amare for 3 yrs. They will dump $45m in bad contracts in the process meaning they would add Amare for a little less than $20m. They would have Nash-Hill-Amare-Gortat under contract along with Markieff Morris and about $15m in cap space if Nash signs for $10m and Hill for $2.5m. Although there is a possibility for those 2 vets to give up some of their money to bring other players in to give them one last chance at having a run like Dallas had last year. They should make the playoffs the next 2 years and they allow Nash to end his career in PHX on a team that has a chance to make a nice run to a conference finals. PHX will trade their pick in this draft to save the cap space. Sure Amare could go down at any time, but so could Nash.

PHX: Amare Stoudemire, Jerome Jordan, future 2nd or $3m cash (bc NY can't trade the cash until later in the summer)
DET: Hakiem Warrick, Toney Douglas
NYK: Ben Gordon, Channing Frye, Jared Dudley, Will Bynum, pick #9 (DET), pick #13 (PHX)

DET trades pick #9 for $12.5m in cap space. PHX sells pick #13 to NYK for 13m to save $2m in cap space.

NY takes on 3 bad contracts but ends up with 2 picks in a good draft. The 3 rotation players (Frye, Dudley, and Gordon) that fit better with Melo than Amare does. NY will hopefully land Kendall Marshall with the 9th pick and hopefully use the 13th pick to trade to down to DEN and get pick #20 and our 2014 pick back (DEN would have the right to swap picks in 2014 instead of 2016). I'd even trade down from 20 to the early 2nd if it nets us another future pick. we could always move into the late 1st from 31 to grab a Kevin Jones from West Virginia (Faried type rebounder)

[Knickstape1214]

Neither Detroit nor Phoenix would include their picks. Noooooo way in hell.

Also, side note -- Jones isn't a Faried type rebounder. He's a good position rebounder with average athleticism -- Faried is a freak athlete with an endless energy supply.

[rdogg1026]

Alec Burks and Al Jefferson for Carmelo Anthony and Toney Douglas.

Utah gets a star for Favors/Kanter, they also get a backup PG for Devin, and the Knicks get a nice fit for Chandler, and a nice up and coming SG in Burks + Cap Space.

[Woodsanity]

Alec Burks and Al Jefferson for Carmelo Anthony and Toney Douglas.

Utah gets a star for Favors/Kanter, they also get a backup PG for Devin, and the Knicks get a nice fit for Chandler, and a nice up and coming SG in Burks + Cap Space.

I don't even know where to begin..... Toney Douglas is not even a PG. He is basically a SG who can't shoot.
I have no clue how AL Jefferson is a nice fit for Chandler. We don't need two quality centers.... Alec Burks has shown nothing impressive so far. Overall, its a silly trade. Why would we trade Melo for a young SG who hasn't proven anything and a good center which we don't need?
Jefferson can also play at the PF spot but we have Stat so again kind of pointless.

[rdogg1026]

Alec Burks and Al Jefferson for Carmelo Anthony and Toney Douglas.

Utah gets a star for Favors/Kanter, they also get a backup PG for Devin, and the Knicks get a nice fit for Chandler, and a nice up and coming SG in Burks + Cap Space.

I don't even know where to begin..... Toney Douglas is not even a PG. He is basically a SG who can't shoot.
I have no clue how AL Jefferson is a nice fit for Chandler. We don't need two quality centers.... Alec Burks has shown nothing impressive so far. Overall, its a silly trade. Why would we trade Melo for a young SG who hasn't proven anything and a good center which we don't need?
Jefferson can also play at the PF spot but we have Stat so again kind of pointless.

Toney Douglas is not a PG on the Knicks. Doesn't mean he can't play spare minutes at PG for another team. Al can play the 4 and is a much better shooter than Amare at this point. Both play no D so Chandler compliments him.