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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby Capn'O on Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:39 pm

Meh, the first round would probably be our hardest round until the finals.
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby NY2k1 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:47 pm

I would like Phil Jackson, but I have two questions.

1)Is he in good enough health to coach again and will he have the fire that Woodson (and other coaches like Thibs) has shown?

2)The Triangle Offense. Can this team run another movement based offense like that (Didn't work under MDA) and do we have the pieces for his offense?
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby GONYK on Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:48 pm

NY2k1 wrote:I would like Phil Jackson, but I have two questions.

1)Is he in good enough health to coach again and will he have the fire that Woodson (and other coaches like Thibs) has shown?

2)The Triangle Offense. Can this team run another movement based offense like that (Didn't work under MDA) and do we have pieces for his offense?


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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby TKF on Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:56 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
TKF wrote:respected by NY fans... I mean aren't we constantly complaining about the talking heads on ESPN who give us no respect... The Jon Barry's of the world..... do you think the league really respects us yet? heck we had guys like danny Granger tweeting " two winnable games" right before they played us.. I don't think he does that facing the heat...


Can't say I'm smart enough to know what the point of this is, but I am smart enough to know the Knicks had lost 9 of 13 and 6 of 7, and Woodson had one one home game against Portland when Granger tweeted that.

What "respect" had the KNicks earned?



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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby Capn'O on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:26 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:A statement on Woodie's future here before tonight's game from Grunnie. SNY just reported this.


I truly wonder what he's going to say... somebody recap por favor! I won't be able to watch.
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby nykballa2k4 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:30 pm

GONYK wrote:
NY2k1 wrote:I would like Phil Jackson, but I have two questions.

1)Is he in good enough health to coach again and will he have the fire that Woodson (and other coaches like Thibs) has shown?

2)The Triangle Offense. Can this team run another movement based offense like that (Didn't work under MDA) and do we have pieces for his offense?


Nope


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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby blueNorange on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:31 pm

can't believe some are actually wanting jackson, that's the problem with new york fans ... they always want the new shiny toy instead of realizing what they got works.
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby Sky_Knicks on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:35 pm

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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby knicknack on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:35 pm

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moocow007 wrote:Would make sense. Jackson reportedly is feeling much better and is supposedly leaning towards a return in the right situation. NY, 2 stars, a DPOY candidate and a few nice young PROVEN contributors should qualify as a preferred destination.


Ah, the media! I wonder if this subject should be brought up and discussed until after the playoffs. We don't need any more distractions by the media regarding,"if we do or don't" type dialogue.

That being said, I do believe knick management will still make a run at Phil unless we at least win the conference championship. I'll worry about that later, for now I want to beat the Pacers, Heat or Bulls in the first round, then whoever else we face.......I have a good feeling about these playoffs if Amare, Fields and Davis play their best ball this year for us!


If they beat the Heat, Woodson is coming back 100%.


I agree that Woodson should be retained if we beat the heat but we're talking bout Dolan, he's unpredictable in my eyes and has always been enamored with the "sexy name" and money maker.
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby Thugger HBC on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:35 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
NY2k1 wrote:I would like Phil Jackson, but I have two questions.

1)Is he in good enough health to coach again and will he have the fire that Woodson (and other coaches like Thibs) has shown?

2)The Triangle Offense. Can this team run another movement based offense like that (Didn't work under MDA) and do we have pieces for his offense?


Nope


Toney Douglas would jump with glee to be on a phil Jackson "point guard does not need to be a point guard" system. He can totally get his D-Fish on

He really isn't a good passer except on the wing, and his shot is too suspect to effectively run the triangle.
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby GONYK on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:38 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
NY2k1 wrote:I would like Phil Jackson, but I have two questions.

1)Is he in good enough health to coach again and will he have the fire that Woodson (and other coaches like Thibs) has shown?

2)The Triangle Offense. Can this team run another movement based offense like that (Didn't work under MDA) and do we have pieces for his offense?


Nope


Toney Douglas would jump with glee to be on a phil Jackson "point guard does not need to be a point guard" system. He can totally get his D-Fish on


The PG doesn't have to run the offense, but he can't be dumb on the floor on the floor either. TD doesn't read the defense that well.

He's also not a good passer from the wings, nor a consistent shooter. He's no DFish
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby cgmw on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:38 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
cgmw wrote:Sam Smith has a history of printing his own harebrained trade proposals.


I don't doubt we'll see speculative attempts to engineer a trade.

And finally, your posts seem to vastly underestimate the magnitude of Kobe Bryant, Jeremy Lin, the Knicks and the Lakers as capital for the league and its media and corporate sponsors. To merely suggest that it's logical that Kobe Bryant would follow Phil Jackson to the Knicks and that Jeremy Lin could go to the Lakers might not shake the global economy, but it would certainly be welcome "news" to those who profit off the global appeal of Kobe, Jeremy, the Knicks and Lakers.


But you seem to be confusing Kobe Bryant and Jeremy Lin ACTUALLY trading places with stories in the media about them possibly changing places.

Those are two completely different animals.

Hell, RealGM is profiting right now from increased click counts based on one random rumor circulated by some random reporter in Milwaukee.


But not NEARLY to the level that you seem to think.

This thread has generated about 2800 views.

It's likely 25% towards making .75 cents for RealGm.

And that's a liberal, generous estimate.

The mere suggestion that such a trade is logical would be newsworthy precisely because droves of people would click.


Then why in your view don't we see more stories like this one?

If actual truth isn't a roadblock to producing these sort of stories, why aren't they generated more often.


If Phil signs, then there will be a sufficiently large kernel of truth to justify media outlets speculating on Kobe to NY. If they start speculating on that, my speculation is that Lin to LA is the next logical progression. I agree that an actual trade would be very big, and rumors/speculation would be far less big. But again, all I'm saying is that if the Knicks hire Phil Jackson, we should expect a decent-sized media circus about Kobe following suit.

But like I said at the outset of this now OT commentary, this is looking five chess moves ahead on the Media Rumor Chess Board.
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby Thugger HBC on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:41 pm

cgmw wrote:If Phil signs, then there will be a sufficiently large kernel of truth to justify media outlets speculating on Kobe to NY. If they start speculating about Kobe to NY, my speculation is that Lin to LA is the next logical progression. I agree that an actual trade would be very big, and rumors/speculation would be far less big. But again, all I'm saying is that if the Knicks hire Phil Jackson, we should expect a decent-sized media circus about Kobe following suit.

But like I said at the outset of this now OT commentary, this is looking five chess moves ahead on the Media Rumor Chess Board.

But what would it be based on?

It's not like Jordan followed Phil to LA.

I believe if Phil comes here, he will mold Melo into a Kobe role, not like he's that far from it.
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby cgmw on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:43 pm

blueNorange wrote:can't believe some are actually wanting jackson, that's the problem with new york fans ... they always want the new shiny toy instead of realizing what they got works.

1) I hope Woodson returns.
2) Hiring Phil is kind of a no-brainer.

These are not mutually exclusive positions. At this point, it's far too premature to say that Woodson "works." Even if you believe what we got "works," it's hard to see how it works better than the most successful human being ever to coach basketball in the history of human beings coaching basketball.

Yes, Woodson deserves to return.
Yes, you hire Phil in a heartbeat if he actually wants the job.

This is not "shiny new toy." This is respect for the GOAT.
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Re: Report: Knicks to offer Phil Jackson huge contract

Postby cgmw on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:53 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
cgmw wrote:If Phil signs, then there will be a sufficiently large kernel of truth to justify media outlets speculating on Kobe to NY. If they start speculating about Kobe to NY, my speculation is that Lin to LA is the next logical progression. I agree that an actual trade would be very big, and rumors/speculation would be far less big. But again, all I'm saying is that if the Knicks hire Phil Jackson, we should expect a decent-sized media circus about Kobe following suit.

But like I said at the outset of this now OT commentary, this is looking five chess moves ahead on the Media Rumor Chess Board.

But what would it be based on?

It's not like Jordan followed Phil to LA.

I believe if Phil comes here, he will mold Melo into a Kobe role, not like he's that far from it.


Seriously?

First of all, I am NOT in any way a proponent of actually bringing Kobe here. But it's basic common sense that the media will start running with stories of a reunification. Assuming the Lakers lose this postseason, and I think that's a safe assumption, it certainly doesn't appear like they're getting any closer next season.

Common knowledge:
1. Kobe is desperate for that 6th ring;
2. Phil wins rings;
3. Kobe wins rings with Phil;
4. Dolan loves to sell tickets;
5. Kobe sells tickets;
6. People tune into ESPN to see Kobe;
7. People tune into ESPN to see Lin;
8. A logical conclusion that the two could be traded for each other would be hot gossip;
9. Hot gossip sells ad space.
10. Ad space costs money.
11. Lin isn't a Triangle PG;
12. Lin wouldn't want to re-sign with Phil's triangle;
13. Lots of Asian people live in LA;
14. LA is a popular tourist destination for rich Chinese;
15. Blablabla

So on and so forth.

Again, I'm not saying it's possible, probable, or even something I personally want. I just think it's a no-brainer that the media would start speculating that Phil to NY also means Kobe to NY (and probably Lin to LA). There's too much intrigue (and money to be made) for that rumor not to hit the news cycle.
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